The Big Questions - Sunday 27th

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Re: The Big Questions - Sunday 27th
Reply #30 - February 27, 2011, 03:25 PM

It doesn't work that way on this show. The people in the front row can be loud because they have mic's attached. If I shouted the presenter would just ignore me and they wouldn't put a boom mic over me. He looked me straight in the eyes, shook his head "No" and wagged his finger at me.

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Re: The Big Questions - Sunday 27th
Reply #31 - February 27, 2011, 03:29 PM

So what? Be loud! You wont get the mic, but it will totally distract everybody including the speakers..

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Re: The Big Questions - Sunday 27th
Reply #32 - February 27, 2011, 03:33 PM

Quote from: TheRationalizer on February 27, 2011, 03:25 PM
It doesn't work that way on this show. The people in the front row can be loud because they have mic's attached. If I shouted the presenter would just ignore me and they wouldn't put a boom mic over me. He looked me straight in the eyes, shook his head "No" and wagged his finger at me.

Perhaps it was the handlebar mousetache that put him off.

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Re: The Big Questions - Sunday 27th
Reply #33 - February 27, 2011, 05:48 PM

Quote from: TheRationalizer on February 27, 2011, 01:07 PM
Her argument is essentially that although her white parents loved her, taught her that skin colour is unimportant, and didn't discriminate against her she *felt* that black people were inferior. Because of her negative experience this means that black children should not be brought up by white people.

Isn't such a statement racist in itself?
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Re: The Big Questions - Sunday 27th
Reply #34 - February 27, 2011, 06:34 PM

Yes indeed it was. Her experience was bad, all white people are the same, etc.

But what exactly is "black culture?" There are so many countries in the world with different cultures where the people are black. Should someone from Africa not be allowed to adopt someone from Jamaica because they have different cultures, or is it okay because they have the same skin colour?

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Re: The Big Questions - Sunday 27th
Reply #35 - February 27, 2011, 06:52 PM

Yes, you are right. But this goes even further than that.

Such an attitude enforces specific cultural values (and sometimes religion too) on children simply because their biological parents happen to be of a certain racial/cultural background.

On top of that such an attitude assumes that all children from certain religious/cultural and in this case also racial background automatically should and must adopt cultural values determined by such background as theirs by default.

Comment posted on BBC website:
"White couples adopting children from ethnic groups cannot be good for the children, because the child will not learn about its own culture and their religion."

facepalmed hard

wtf is one's 'own culture'? I didn't realize that children have 'their religion' either.
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Re: The Big Questions - Sunday 27th
Reply #36 - February 27, 2011, 07:25 PM

This programme is so frustrating to watch as they just seem to touch on subjects due to a short allocated time for each and the result is nothing is really debated at all. They should choose one subject for each programme at least.
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Re: The Big Questions - Sunday 27th
Reply #37 - February 27, 2011, 11:13 PM

i'm sort of annoyed i didn't get to say much either, considering how the warm-up debate had significantly more audience participation. o well
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Re: The Big Questions - Sunday 27th
Reply #38 - February 27, 2011, 11:21 PM

Eh?

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Re: The Big Questions - Sunday 27th
Reply #39 - February 27, 2011, 11:54 PM

It was nice to hear Salma Yaqoob say... "I'm a Muslim, I believe in things which I can't scientifically prove. That's the point of having a belief, otherwise it would be a fact".

^ Well said!

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Re: The Big Questions - Sunday 27th
Reply #40 - February 27, 2011, 11:56 PM

Quote from: serrated_colon on February 27, 2011, 11:13 PM
i'm sort of annoyed i didn't get to say much either, considering how the warm-up debate had significantly more audience participation. o well

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Re: The Big Questions - Sunday 27th
Reply #41 - February 28, 2011, 02:20 AM

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Re: The Big Questions - Sunday 27th
Reply #42 - February 28, 2011, 06:40 AM

Quote from: Kenan on February 27, 2011, 06:52 PM
Yes, you are right. But this goes even further than that.

Such an attitude enforces specific cultural values (and sometimes religion too) on children simply because their biological parents happen to be of a certain racial/cultural background.

On top of that such an attitude assumes that all children from certain religious/cultural and in this case also racial background automatically should and must adopt cultural values determined by such background as theirs by default.

Comment posted on BBC website:
"White couples adopting children from ethnic groups cannot be good for the children, because the child will not learn about its own culture and their religion."

facepalmed hard

wtf is one's 'own culture'? I didn't realize that children have 'their religion' either.

What are the going to do about multi ethnic parents wanting to adopt a multi ethnic child? What "cultures" are allowed and disallowed then?

I can only picture the adoption agency doing some kind of cultural Punnett squares.

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Re: The Big Questions - Sunday 27th
Reply #43 - February 28, 2011, 12:32 PM

There is something that makes me uncomfortable about white couples adopting kids of color. Mostly because I don't see as much of the reverse. It's nothing against the adoptive parents, nor do I think it's bad for the kids, but it's just a nasty little reminder of the institutional racism that breaks apart communities of color and leads to disparities of wealth between ethnic groups, as well as the imperialism that creates so many kids in need of adoption from the Third World.

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Re: The Big Questions - Sunday 27th
Reply #44 - February 28, 2011, 12:47 PM

For some reason black and western Asian people adopt less frequently, and are a lot less likely to register as organ donors. The reason behind it is irrelevant at this point, what is important is that if it were unacceptable for white people to adopt non-white people we'd end up with a lot of non-white people stuck in adoption agencies.

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Re: The Big Questions - Sunday 27th
Reply #45 - February 28, 2011, 01:30 PM

Quote from: Q-Man on February 28, 2011, 12:32 PM
There is something that makes me uncomfortable about white couples adopting kids of color. Mostly because I don't see as much of the reverse. It's nothing against the adoptive parents, nor do I think it's bad for the kids, but it's just a nasty little reminder of the institutional racism that breaks apart communities of color and leads to disparities of wealth between ethnic groups, as well as the imperialism that creates so many kids in need of adoption from the Third World.

I don't really think that there is a shortage of parents wishing to adopt white kids. There is always a huge wait. But parents wishing to adopt sooner usually go to other countries and adopt kids from other races.

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Re: The Big Questions - Sunday 27th
Reply #46 - February 28, 2011, 01:32 PM

Quote from: Q-Man on February 28, 2011, 12:32 PM
... but it's just a nasty little reminder of the institutional racism that breaks apart communities of color and leads to disparities of wealth between ethnic groups, as well as the imperialism that creates so many kids in need of adoption from the Third World.

Think outside the box. There are no 'communities of colour' as such.
Not all people experience themselves as belonging to a particular ethnic or religious community. Some people actually see just how pointless, stupid and dangerous such tribalistic identity is even more so when in the name of multiculturalism such an identity is positively imposed as something desirable by default. There are truly universal individuals that experience themselves primarily as humans as such, who belong to the realm of universal humanity.
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Re: The Big Questions - Sunday 27th
Reply #47 - February 28, 2011, 01:32 PM

I don't like it when people adopt children from poorer countries. These children usually have extended families they could live with but cannot due to financial constraints, the child's welfare would surely be better catered for with funding rather than adoption.

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Re: The Big Questions - Sunday 27th
Reply #48 - February 28, 2011, 05:58 PM

But then the adopting parents wouldn't have a child...
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