Statistics for violence against women?

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Statistics for violence against women?
OP - March 19, 2012, 12:18 AM

When I have debated with Muslims in the past about issues of violence against women. The usual Muslim response is to simply say that the statistics show that murder and rape of women is actually higher in Western countries than in Islamic countries. They do not usually provide very good sources to back those claims up, but then I have not found any good sources for statistics that prove otherwise.

Are there any good sources out there that provide objective statistics to show the scale of the problem of domestic violence, murder, rape, etc. for all countries so that comparisons can be made?
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Reply #1 - March 19, 2012, 01:23 AM

I would ask if being rape is the issue or women who can seek help without shame or threats more of an issue. At least in the West a raped woman can be helped to find some kind of dignity, and her rapist put to justice, not the case under Islam. Rape statistics is very tricky because consider

1. not many victims come forward.
2. Some rape cases are falsified
3. Population of a country, there are MANY people living the US as per other countries so you can't just pluck a number and compare it to a country with a smaller population
4. In Islam if you are married you cannot claim rape whereas in the West you can.

Also I would stretch things a bit I would say in the West, women usually wait to get married and are vunerable for a longer period of time than Muslim women.

Again under Islam my main argument is a married woman cannot claim rape and Muslim women marry earlier than Western women. And a Muslim woman cannot come forward easily because something tragic will happen to her. Where as in the West we encourage people to come forward to get help, which is why it could seem we have more. I mean we have freaking billboards and help lines saying if you have been raped or even touched you call the police immediately. There is no such help in Islamic countries usually punishment waiting for the woman from either the law or her family. There are many variables. Yes the West has many rapes but there is a lot more to it that because of religion =p I also find it quite ironic that Muslim women tout that wearing hijabs will prevent rape where statistically in the West most rapes occur indoors, not outdoors and close to 1/3 of them are between people who know each other not complete strangers.

Wikipedia it =p it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics

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Reply #2 - March 19, 2012, 08:44 PM

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Also I would stretch things a bit I would say in the West, women usually wait to get married and are vunerable for a longer period of time than Muslim women.

You should think that one through a bit more.

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Reply #3 - March 19, 2012, 08:53 PM

Tonyt...

1. Being married or not married is totally NOT relevant
2. Most western women arent prisoners in their own homes
only allowed to go out at the approval of their almight husband.
3. Being in a guilded cage doesnt necessarily mean their chances
of getting raped are necessarily less. MANY cases of husbands
raping their wives, using violence, and the woman has no means
or voice to validate her claims. Hell, in shariah they can force
a raped woman to marry the man who raped her, that way he
wont have to be punished.

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Reply #4 - March 19, 2012, 08:54 PM

oh. Tonyt

Why dont you write your story on the introduction thread?

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Reply #5 - March 19, 2012, 09:57 PM

In any sane country violence against women (whether its widespread or not) is illegal and the perpetrators are usually punished, can the same be said for many muslim countries? I think not.
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Reply #6 - March 19, 2012, 11:08 PM

"The most common perpetrators of rape are husbands and partners" - Painter, 1991 (Survey of 1,007 women in 11 cities, Northern England).

In societies where marital rape isn't a crime and extramarital sex is punishable, why do they think their rape statistics are so low? If you make it difficult (or impossible) for people to come forward about rape, then what the hell do you expect the stats will show?

Rape perpetrators are usually someone the victim knows, including partners, family members and associates. When you put family honour into the equation, then you have another factor in not wanting to report a rape. On top of that, you have the fact that women are stigmatised and can find it incredibly difficult to get married after such an event. They lose everything.

Rape statistics are an indicator on the willingness of people to report rape, not the amount of rapes themselves. Rape is sadly under-reported in all countries, even in the West. You can find some indicators here of just how many people actually report these crimes- http://www.cwasu.org/page_display.asp?pageid=STATS&pagekey=35&itemkey=38

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Reply #7 - March 19, 2012, 11:24 PM

and even less reported are the men and young boys who are
also raped

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