Did you feel God as a Muslim?

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Re: Did you feel God as a Muslim?
Reply #30 - November 09, 2011, 06:20 PM

Quote from: iSoK on November 09, 2011, 10:55 AM
To feel anything, you would have to pray five times a day for quite a long time.

It's important to focus during prayer, thinking about the words you pronounce and
leave all wordly matters behind when you start prayer.
You're standing before Truth, the Absolute, the First Principle, everything else doesn't exist except He.

Another thing is to reduce your sins, while the sin as an action is not a big deal.
But the sin itself is a manifestation of your inward reality, which is very important.

Last thing and probably most important is:

"Foremost in religion is knowledge of Him" -Imam 'Ali ibn Abi Talib

What you are describing is ritual. Ritual is the only thing actually offered by abrahamic and other religions. Ritual equals not spirituality, but a sense of familiarity which some people confuse with spirituality, which is actually not familiarity.

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Re: Did you feel God as a Muslim?
Reply #31 - November 09, 2011, 07:28 PM

Quote from: Abood on November 09, 2011, 03:53 PM
your god is a hermaphrodite?

Any God worthy of reverence has to be everything and everyone, experientially, otherwise it's just a tyrant.

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Re: Did you feel God as a Muslim?
Reply #32 - November 09, 2011, 07:31 PM

Quote from: allat on November 09, 2011, 06:20 PM
What you are describing is ritual. Ritual is the only thing actually offered by abrahamic and other religions. Ritual equals not spirituality, but a sense of familiarity which some people confuse with spirituality, which is actually not familiarity.

Well ritual isn't just familiarity. It is also a useful way of focusing attention if you want to induce certain states of mind.

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Re: Did you feel God as a Muslim?
Reply #33 - November 09, 2011, 07:33 PM

Quote from: osmanthus on November 09, 2011, 07:31 PM
Well ritual isn't just familiarity. It is also a useful way of focusing attention if you want to induce certain states of mind.

Yeah, but for most people, spirituality begins and ends with ritual alone, which is where ritual becomes an end in itself and dogma begins.

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Re: Did you feel God as a Muslim?
Reply #34 - November 09, 2011, 07:38 PM

Well I agree about the ritual becoming an end in itself, but I think it likely that the reason religions incorporate so much ritual is because of the effects on the mind.

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Re: Did you feel God as a Muslim?
Reply #35 - November 10, 2011, 01:29 AM

I did have a feeling of guilt for being a Muslim because of 9/11.
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Re: Did you feel God as a Muslim?
Reply #36 - November 10, 2011, 07:35 AM

Quote from: iSoK on November 09, 2011, 10:55 AM
To feel anything, you would have to pray five times a day for quite a long time.

It's important to focus during prayer, thinking about the words you pronounce and
leave all wordly matters behind when you start prayer.
You're standing before Truth, the Absolute, the First Principle, everything else doesn't exist except He.

Another thing is to reduce your sins, while the sin as an action is not a big deal.
But the sin itself is a manifestation of your inward reality, which is very important.

Last thing and probably most important is:

"Foremost in religion is knowledge of Him" -Imam 'Ali ibn Abi Talib

Do you consider the acts of religion as a literal prayer or do you think it symbolizes anything?
For instance, for Ibn Arabi, a prayer was not a lowly plea for this or that object. Instead, it was the process through which God comes to realize himself. The task of man is to become a mirror, so that divinity might shine forth and love itself. For God's love for Herself is the entire story of existence.

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Re: Did you feel God as a Muslim?
Reply #37 - November 10, 2011, 07:37 AM

so god created everything instead of a goddamned mirror?
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Reply #38 - November 10, 2011, 07:38 AM

No, everything is the mirror for Him. Man's task is to reciprocate the love.

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Re: Did you feel God as a Muslim?
Reply #39 - November 10, 2011, 07:38 AM

Quote from: z10 on November 10, 2011, 07:35 AM
Do you consider the acts of religion as a literal prayer or do you think it symbolizes anything?
For instance, for Ibn Arabi, a prayer was not a lowly plea for this or that object. Instead, it was the process through which God comes to realize himself. The task of man is to become a mirror, so that divinity might shine forth and love itself. For God's love for Herself is the entire story of existence.

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Re: Did you feel God as a Muslim?
Reply #40 - November 10, 2011, 07:41 AM

Quote from: z10 on November 10, 2011, 07:38 AM
No, everything is the mirror for Him. Man's task is to reciprocate the love.

seems like god is beating everyone for them to love him. what kind of love is that?
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Re: Did you feel God as a Muslim?
Reply #41 - November 10, 2011, 07:42 AM

Quote from: z10 on November 10, 2011, 07:35 AM
Do you consider the acts of religion as a literal prayer or do you think it symbolizes anything?
For instance, for Ibn Arabi, a prayer was not a lowly plea for this or that object. Instead, it was the process through which God comes to realize himself. The task of man is to become a mirror, so that divinity might shine forth and love itself. For God's love for Herself is the entire story of existence.

To add, I believe Ibn Arabi's exact prayer was: "Become through me what Thou has eternally desired to be."

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Re: Did you feel God as a Muslim?
Reply #42 - November 10, 2011, 07:44 AM

Quote from: Abood on November 10, 2011, 07:41 AM
seems like god is beating everyone for them to love him. what kind of love is that?

Far be it for me to suppose that I have the full measure of Ibn Arabi's philosophy, I will say that I think for him, it would be man that is beating himself.

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Re: Did you feel God as a Muslim?
Reply #43 - November 10, 2011, 07:47 AM

do you believe god is a sentient entity with desires?
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Re: Did you feel God as a Muslim?
Reply #44 - November 10, 2011, 07:48 AM

I don't know if there is a god. There might be good reasons for believing in one, but it seems impossible to reach a conclusion.

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Re: Did you feel God as a Muslim?
Reply #45 - November 10, 2011, 04:24 PM

For me, regarding salah, the words of the late Edward Said spring to mind. He did not say this about prayer, but it made me think of salah immediately when I read it:

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Redemption is found in the self–justifying practice of an idea or mission over time, in a structure that completely encircles and is revered by you, even though you set up the structure in the first place, ironically enough, and no longer study it closely because you take it for granted.

This notion of ‘redemption’ goes a step over and above salvation. You don’t simply feel ‘saved’ by it, but you feel that you actively save yourself through repeating the ritualised structure over and over again… and eventually purely for its own sake.
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Re: Did you feel God as a Muslim?
Reply #46 - November 10, 2011, 06:01 PM

I have felt, fear, shame, regret, I still do from time to time, I don't know, how do u know u feel God ?? what is that feeling like ? I mean I have also felt like being watched.

I've had different feelings so I don't really know how it is to feel God.
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Re: Did you feel God as a Muslim?
Reply #47 - November 11, 2011, 03:12 AM

Quote from: iSoK on November 09, 2011, 10:55 AM
To feel anything, you would have to pray five times a day for quite a long time.

It's important to focus during prayer, thinking about the words you pronounce and
leave all wordly matters behind when you start prayer.
You're standing before Truth, the Absolute, the First Principle, everything else doesn't exist except He.

Another thing is to reduce your sins, while the sin as an action is not a big deal.
But the sin itself is a manifestation of your inward reality, which is very important.

Last thing and probably most important is:

"Foremost in religion is knowledge of Him" -Imam 'Ali ibn Abi Talib

interesting fallacy.
If I spend time concentrating and trying to feel "god", I'll eventually think I feel something.....
This of course has nothing to do with a god being there or not, but what kind of state of mind you can put yourself in......which is why it works for whirling dervishes, buddhist monks, pentecostal tongue speakers, and stoned out hippies equally well.

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Re: Did you feel God as a Muslim?
Reply #48 - November 11, 2011, 05:56 AM

I used to feel god in my heart. Now he resides in my penis.

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