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Gay Damascus
OP - December 23, 2011, 05:35 PM

"Arabs are more tolerant of homosexuality than the blogs would have you believe"

"Homosexuals, in fact, enjoy extraordinary freedoms in Damascus, as they do elsewhere in the region, but only so long as they follow a golden rule: don’t define homosexuality in western gay terms."

"Gay Damascus" by John R. Bradley. http://www.spectator.co.uk/essays/all/7027738/gay-damascus.thtml

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Reply #1 - December 23, 2011, 07:08 PM

Interesting article. I'm not impressed by this refrain of defining homosexuality in western terms though, that's bollocks. His description of the tolerance of homosexuality in Syria is not some peculiarly Arab thing, its exactly the same as the attitude of western societies up till around the mid 20th century.

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Reply #2 - January 02, 2012, 01:37 AM

So tired of this bullshit. It's not tolerance when you can't live openly and be honest about it.
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Reply #3 - January 07, 2012, 08:48 PM

interesting article.

The meaning behind the word Gay appears to the Arab world (at least the arab world perceived by the writer of the article) is a lifestyle manner, a way of perceiving the world, to be gay is to be someone declaring a stance against Islam.

But to engage in homosexuality activity is not threatening the order of things thus does not to be quashed by the power seeking rulers.

What is the difference between engaging in homosexual activity and declaring and identifying oneself as Gay?

As a person with a homosexual thought now and then, I find it quite liberating not having to live in a world where you are either Gay or not. My English friends are always trying to define who is gay and straight, I prefer just going with the flow. They would get highly suspicious of me if I slept with a guy, they would immediately call me gay and see me in that way. They would put on the whole attitude of 'well i'm uncomfortable with it but I will accept that you do it'.

One of the reasons I don't just play around between staright and gay, between men and ladies is because my friends are always attempting to concretely define me, and if i were to fuck a guy one day they would be like 'hah! i knew it, you're gay'. Well you can call me that all you want, it's annoying being persecuted but it's not quite true, I would prefer a BJ from a chico anyday, I only fucked this dude because i aint got bitches giving my fill, I watch straight porn anyway, gay porn is fucking gross.

so fuck the labels.

anyway....what was i talking about?

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Reply #4 - January 19, 2012, 08:22 PM

All the white folks I ever talk to automatically assume homophobia to be worse in muslim countries. And I had to explain to them it is very specifically christian disease.

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Reply #5 - January 19, 2012, 08:24 PM

Quote from: muddy on January 19, 2012, 08:22 PM
All the white folks I ever talk to automatically assume homophobia to be worse in muslim countries. And I had to explain to them it is very specifically christian disease.

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Reply #6 - January 20, 2012, 01:17 PM

Yes, the only homophobes in muslims are the one who were inspired by christians. That make their percentage pretty low.

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Reply #7 - January 20, 2012, 02:41 PM

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Gay Muslims made homeless by family violence

By Poonam Taneja
BBC Asian Network

A UK charity is dealing with an increasing number of young gay Muslims becoming homeless after fleeing forced marriages and so-called honour violence.

During a weekly drop-in group held by the Albert Kennedy Trust in London, Suni, a 20-year-old London student, helps himself to a warm mince pie and a steaming cup of coffee.

In 2008, during a holiday to Pakistan to visit relatives, his parents suspected the truth about his sexuality. They believed marriage would "cure" him of what they considered to be a psychological disorder.

"They told me I'm going to be forced into marriage and they're looking for a girl and I'll be married in two to three months and I won't be able to come back to London," Suni said.
When he refused, he was imprisoned in his family's ancestral home in a remote village of Pakistan and subjected to regular beatings and abuse as he had brought "shame" on the strict Muslim family.

I think I'd be vulnerable if people knew about me - I've heard a lot of remarks in the past about people saying that gay people should die for religious reasons

"I stayed there for three months and he was always beating me. He was telling me I had blackened our family name and he was saying it's a sin. I know it was just for honour."

Suni managed to escape and return to the UK, penniless and homeless.

Relatives and friends were reluctant to help him due to fear of violent reprisals from his family.

After a night spent in a police cell, he was put in touch with the trust, which helped find him safe accommodation.

Trust worker Annie Southerst said in the past six months there has been an increase in the number of Muslims coming to them for help.

"They face threats of physical violence, actual violence and restriction of liberties," she said.

"We've had people chased out of the house with knives and we have had issues around young people who had exorcisms planned to get rid of the gay demons, I suppose.

"They come to us because they're homeless, or in danger of being homeless imminently. We sort out emergency accommodation for them.

"But the biggest loss they face is the loss of their families.

"I can't imagine what it must be like to suddenly in your late teens, early 20s suddenly not to have a family anymore."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8446458.stm

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