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  • Re: US official killed in US Embassy Libya due New Anti Islamic Movie
     Reply #210 - September 24, 2012, 11:15 AM



    This comment piece by a liberal Canadian Muslim nails it 100%


    ++++++


    The past week has seen senseless rage in the Islamic world over an anti-Islam movie.

    Senseless because an obscure, Egyptian fraudster produced the inept movie and U.S. ambassador Christopher Stevens and three colleagues paid with their lives. It is tragic that after helping the Libyans to oust Moammar Gadhaffi, the Americans have again suffered at the hands of Muslim radicals.

    Islamic clerics should have discouraged protests in the Islamic world, from North Africa to Indonesia. These rabble-rousing mullahs instead called for violent jihadi protests involving flag burning and window smashing. The protesting hordes acted out a visceral reaction to a low-budget movie.

    Muslims need to learn how liberal democracies function and why the U.S. ambassador was not responsible for the movie. Nakoula Basseley Nakoula is responsible — but he has the right to produce the movie without facing retribution.

    In the Islamic world, few individual citizens enjoy such rights. The notions of freedom of speech and of conscience are foreign to the Muslim world and therefore poorly understood.

    Consequently, in the Muslim world few citizens act independently of their dictatorial governments. They are often not free to express divergent views. Therefore, they cannot envision a society where citizens have the freedom to think and act independently.

    Most Muslims cannot grasp that citizens in the West can act autonomously from their governments. They are not bound — as people are in the Muslim world — to toe the government line.

    Radical Islam tolerates no individual opinion on religion ­ — there is only group opinion and group action.

    Muslims therefore cannot escape the conviction that an individual American citizen must have somehow acted under the U.S. government’s auspices to make such a movie, to have it translated into Arabic and broadcast on YouTube. They cannot imagine that the government or its ambassador would not have even bothered to view the movie, let alone sponsor it.

    The Egyptian prime minister demanded that the West show respect for Islam. He is missing the point. Western leaders do not seek to tell people what they should respect. Nor can any civilized government consider that it has such a right.

    In effect, this must mean a blasphemy law. Yet no one deserves to be prosecuted for ridiculing religious figures any more than for ridiculing other people with influence, like politicians. Why must religion play by different rules?

    Many Muslims see these recent actions as part of a coordinated, Western conspiracy against Islam. Yet the ubiquity of satire and parody in Western culture refutes any such conspiracy since they poke fun at their own religious figures as well. Films such as Monty Python’s Life of Brian, Religulous and Dogma have challenged core Christian beliefs. Here, there is criticism of the Bible and those who disagree with traditional belief are free to express it in novels like The Da Vinci Code. In a truly free society, no belief can or should be exempted.

    Non-Muslims have the right to assert their non-belief as vehemently as they desire. The protesting radicals need to understand that non-believers have no reason to respect Muslim beliefs or to apologize for their own unbelief.

    It is hard to say what doubts exist behind the monolithic wall of contemporary Muslim orthodoxy. The Muslim world itself has much to gain from being as open as it was centuries ago. In the meantime, tolerating criticism and satire would be a useful first step towards such openness.


    http://www.torontosun.com/2012/09/20/learning-to-tolerate-criticism-and-satire

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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  • Re: US official killed in US Embassy Libya due New Anti Islamic Movie
     Reply #211 - September 24, 2012, 12:41 PM


    This comment piece by a liberal Canadian Muslim nails it 100%

     
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    hmm  that is indeed problem.,   billy sees her as a "liberal Muslim" ., I see her as "Well educated Cultural Muslim"., some one else see's her as "Islamophobe" and other see her as "Islamic apologist"

    well it depends upon what you are reading from her when and where and what mood you are in and the religious/cultural/educational background of the person reading her articles.

    Off course freedom to question everything including articles/concepts "However good and progressive" they may be must be a  fundamental right of every one.

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
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    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: US official killed in US Embassy Libya due New Anti Islamic Movie
     Reply #212 - September 24, 2012, 02:47 PM

    So talking about "liberal Muslim", "Well educated Cultural Muslim",  "Islamic apologist" "Islamophobes" " .,    Newt Gingrich, former House Speaker of US of wrote in his book "Winning the Future: A 21st Century Contract With America  (you can buy it for [urlhttp://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/0895260425/sr=/qid=/ref=olp_tab_new?ie=UTF8&colid=&coliid=&condition=new&me=&qid=&seller=&sr=]1 cent + shipping[/url]wrote something like this
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    We have two immediate opponents, "The irreconcilable wing of Islam  and the rogue dictators that empower the radical Islamist" .,Islamists can not tolerate with secular system of laws   that guide democracy, They consider America is Great Satan ..
    .
    .....This is not smearing everybody, this is not Islamaphobia. If we can’t have an honest conversation about radical Islamists, and if we can’t figure out — there’s a very specific group of people across the planet. Across the planet today, the forces of religious repression are on the march and this administration has intellectually disarmed, it has morally disarmed, it is incapable of describing what threatens us. The president wants to unilaterally weaken the United States. He wants to cut the aid to Israel for its anti-ballistic missile defense. He refuses to take Iran seriously. We are in a world that is very dangerous. And I say this to those of you who represent the next generation because you’re going to bear the consequences. We are really at risk someday in your lifetime of losing an American city. So, defeating Barack Obama becomes, in fact, a duty of national security because the fact is that he is incapable of defending the United States.”..


    off course  all that is  nothing but  political saucy talk against opponents but American Demos must keep those words of Mr.  Gingrich in mind and that is ""The irreconcilable wing of Islam  and the rogue dictators that empower the radical Islamist" ., The problem is in the past it is often America that supported those dictators that directly of indirectly  empower the radical Islamist..

    Any way the question is., if some one say those words  that is
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    We have two immediate opponents, "The irreconcilable wing of Islam  and the rogue dictators that empower the radical Islamist" .,Islamists can not tolerate with secular system of laws   that guide democracy, They consider America is Great Satan ..


    is he/she not Islamophobe??

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: US official killed in US Embassy Libya due New Anti Islamic Movie
     Reply #213 - September 24, 2012, 05:21 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsryYSOyvJM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McLtQNQEeq4

    Hmm that is the Protest against Anti Islam FLIM in Downtown Toronto 2012 That is not a political ..  good..good.. that is true..

    but the film is on the web man, it is not from Canadian govt.,.so you guys need to shout on web man...don't block the roads... burn tires.and stop making noise.  ... OK..

    nope..nope..  not o.k..,    shut up dog..   you can not say that..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: US official killed in US Embassy Libya due New Anti Islamic Movie
     Reply #214 - September 30, 2012, 08:46 AM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42CpSV8pxog

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: US official killed in US Embassy Libya due New Anti Islamic Movie
     Reply #215 - October 01, 2012, 04:42 AM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rvgS80xJ34

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: US official killed in US Embassy Libya due New Anti Islamic Movie
     Reply #216 - October 01, 2012, 08:42 AM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qp6LXM5GE_4



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dqHt6gsoxU


    Hmm may Muhammad Prophet of Islam was "Master George"  .. who knows?  Allah knows the best...

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: US official killed in US Embassy Libya due New Anti Islamic Movie
     Reply #217 - October 02, 2012, 10:49 AM



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbD_ghudm0w&feature=player_embedded#!

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    Oh nice !

    Like a compass needle that points north, a man?s accusing finger always finds a woman. Always.

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  • Re: US official killed in US Embassy Libya due New Anti Islamic Movie
     Reply #218 - October 02, 2012, 04:52 PM


    Hmm it is funny to see all those south Asian faces that too from Mirpur and Punjab areas of subcontinent.. Anyways talking about that 13 mts movies tube to upset a billion Muslims  That smart lady Reda Cheema    writes on dawn with a heading  "Islamophobia and the West"

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    TONY Blair, who is now Middle East peace envoy, recently said: “The film may be wrong and offensive but it is also laughable as a piece of filmmaking. And what I am afraid is very dangerous and actually is wrong is the reaction to it.” The title of the blasphemous movie ‘Innocence of Muslims’ has double meaning. The filmmakers may be counting exactly on our innocence and predictable justified violent response. They seek to kill two birds with one stone. First, spread a message of hate and, second, defame the 1.5 billion Muslims for their volatile protests.
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    Today I feel I can only speak for myself. Having always seen myself as an educated tolerant Muslim, who is in the process of learning the depths of her religion. I do not disrespect others’ beliefs. I do not wear a hijab, yet I can respect women who have made that choice. I offer my prayers without the need to summon others who do not follow the example. I would any day support the petition to amend the existing blasphemy law in Pakistan.


    But this sacrilege, this uncalled-for vicious assault on Muslims makes me wonder: does all freedom of expression belong to them while Muslims should have all the patience in the world.

    I would like to ask Mr Blair if he was going about his daily life and a passer by decided to exercise his freedom of expression and hurled profanities at him in front of an audience, would he find that incident ‘laughable’ or would he proceed to sue the offender.

    Islamophobia is not a new concept, but with this ‘obscenely inept vanity project’, it has succumbed to unimaginable lows. A phobia is an irrational fear so when there are Danish cartoonists, when French sternly oppose hijab, when women like Marwah Al Sherbini and Shaima Alawadi are slaughtered in cold blood, it is more than hatred. It is fear.

    In their fear, they seek to defame us, portray us to the world as hooligans and terrorists. But this time I see a different picture. I see all sects of Muslims forgetting their personal grudges, coming together to condemn this movie. I hope to see their fear inevitably bringing together the Muslim world at large. Our methods may be raw at the moment but with time if their offences persist Muslims will refine their defences.

    Islam preaches peace and tolerance and forgiveness to those who seek it but it also despises cowardice, it also demands justice, it also allows revenge. Above all, it teaches Muslims to live with dignity wherever they are. So if anybody wishes to bully and oppress us, they must know that we as a people lack that element.

    They might turn our religion into a spear and try to bait us with it, but it’s their innocence that they fail to see how these assaults only feed a volcano of suppressed rage and the religion they acknowledge only as our weakness today is, in fact, our greatest strength. When renowned Islamophobe Steve Klein says: “Do I feel guilty that these people were incited? Guess what? I didn’t incite them. They are pre-incited, they are pre-programmed to do this.” I hope he is right...


    well that is what she writes .. I do agree that this stupid movie was made to Incite Muslim crowd but rest of analysis that is highlighted is what I disagree with.  Now she mentioned two names   and that is Marwah Al Sherbini and Shaima Alawadi. And  let us know more about them..

    Shaima Alawadi  that is about Shaima Alawadi

    marwa sharbini and that is about  Egyptian   lady who was murdered by German  criminal brute that too after having case on him in a court .

    My problem is not with the videos but How foolish is this  well educated progressive lady Miss Reda Cheema is to put those two names in to her article to to prove that these cases were due to Islamophobia ..  The 1st  case was a Murder by her own relatives and the 2nd  case was  at best rage against a Muslim women   whose husband complained to German police  against this  brute in a park that fellow happened to be   Russian  rogue migrated to Germany.. So I am sorry to say to Miss Cheema to do proper Google search before  she writes  such silly stuff.

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: US official killed in US Embassy Libya due New Anti Islamic Movie
     Reply #219 - October 11, 2012, 08:09 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OMLcAFGYYQ

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0oFnaAqlNg

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: US official killed in US Embassy Libya due New Anti Islamic Movie
     Reply #220 - October 11, 2012, 08:15 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vx_q7CeoUiM


    Hmm That is for Kids.. it is Islamic version of Muhammad The Last Prophet Movie [Full] - [Authentic | صــحــيــح]
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    Muhammad The Last Prophet Movie Cartoon Animated Anime 2002 2004

    Muhammad ibn 'Abdullāh (Arabic: محمد; Transliteration: Muḥammad; pronounced [mʊˈħæmmæd] also spelled Muhammed or Mohammed). Born in 570 CE in the Arabian city of Makkah, he was orphaned at a young age and was brought up under the care of his uncle. He later worked mostly as a merchant, and was first married by age 25. Discontented with life in Mecca, he retreated to a cave in the surrounding mountains for meditation and reflection.

    According to Islamic beliefs it was here, at age 40, in the month of Ramadan, where he received his first revelation from God. Three years after this event Muhammad started preaching these revelations publicly, proclaiming that "God is One", that complete "surrender" to God (lit. islām) is the only way (dīn) acceptable to God, and that he himself was a prophet and messenger of God, in the same vein as Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, David, Jesus and other prophets in Islam.
    The central human figure of Islam, regarded by Muslims as a prophet of God and the last messenger. Active as a social reformer, diplomat, merchant, philosopher, orator, legislator, military leader, humanitarian, philanthropist.


    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: US official killed in US Embassy Libya due New Anti Islamic Movie
     Reply #221 - October 13, 2012, 09:49 AM

    Zawahiri urges holy war over anti-Islam film  says news[url]



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    CAIRO: The leader of al Qaeda has urged Muslims to wage holy war against the United States and Israel over a film that insulted Islam.   Ayman al-Zawahiri praised as “honest and zealous” demonstrators who breached the US Embassy in Cairo and attackers who stormed the US “embassy” in Benghazi in violence linked to the film.

    The American ambassador and three others died in the Sept. 11 attack on the US Consulate in the Libyan city. The amateur film “Innocence of Muslims” was made by an Egyptian-born American citizen. In an audio message released by al Qaeda’s media arm As-Sahab and posted on militant websites early on Saturday, al-Zawahiri claimed Washington allowed the film’s production under the pretext of freedom of expression, “but this freedom did not prevent them from torturing Muslim prisoners.”


    great Now & then,  here & there THE RAT makes some noise from some holy hole..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: US official killed in US Embassy Libya due New Anti Islamic Movie
     Reply #222 - October 13, 2012, 10:10 AM

    Holy WAR Cheesy
    Step 1: Pickup Holy Gun
    Step 2: fill with holy Bullets
    Step 3: Locate Victim
    Step4:Fire holy Gun
    Step5: Spread  holy bloodshed
    Step 6: Count holy dead bodies these are the points gain in holy War


    Belief is the death of intelligence
  • Re: US official killed in US Embassy Libya due New Anti Islamic Movie
     Reply #223 - October 13, 2012, 10:31 AM

    Hamid Dabashi  The Hagop Kevorkian   Professor of Iranian Studies and Comparative Literature at Columbia University. writes on these Muhammad cartoons/movies blasphemy articles etc..
     



    This is what That Professor writes with that above picture at this limk

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    Blasphemy: Time for Muslim soul searching;


    Much of the scandalous consequences are attributable to an active history of hostility between the West and the Islam.

    Now that the public protest, violent or otherwise, in response to the recent cases of blasphemy against Islam have by and large subsided, and the world is distracted by other atrocities, Muslims need to sit down for a moment and ask themselves some serious questions before yet another lunatic or career opportunist in Europe or a charlatan loser in the US comes out and says "jump" and Muslims around the world fume "how high?"  

    The scenes are exceedingly unseemly and unbecoming of a world on the cusp of reimagining itself for its posterity.

    The cases of the movie clip The Innocence of Muslims (2012) and before that the late Theo van Gogh's Submission (2004), based on a script by the notorious Islamophobe Ayaan Hirsi Ali's plagiarised script, and before that the Danish cartoons ridiculing Prophet Muhammad, and before that the Salman Rushdie affair over the publication of his Satanic Verses (1988) and many other similar incidents all come together to raise the question of "blasphemy" among Muslims today.    

    Look at that., This fool who could not survive in Iran moves in to US of A and gets  his MS., Ph.Ds from Amrika becomes Professor in one of those UTTERLY useless department supported by AMRIKA taxpayers money and sitting prettily is US of A writes rubbish all over Middle Eastern news papers on exiles of Iranians due to bloody regime over there and writes about juice and Zionism  and against amrika drinking amerikan juicy  juice every day.    great man couples stupid movie with Theo van Gogh's Submission, Islamophobe Ayaan Hirsi Ali and  Salman Rushdie  Satanic Verses. So he puts everything together  similar to Islam where Muhammad was put together along with Christ and  Moses so a nut case. criminal character  could be made as Prophet of all times.. .. well let us read bit more..
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    Why so much fury over so little substance? Whence such a thin skin in a world so thick with atrocities? The question is of paramount concern to all Muslims, and no cleric, no imam, no ayatollah, no self-appointed "religious authority", and certainly no chimerical construction called "religious intellectuals" - some of them now actively confusing the halls of the university with the pulpits of the mosques (giving testimony to Max Weber's premonition of calling them "academic prophets") - is in an exclusive position to define what "blasphemy" is or to presume to speak as if Prophet Muhammad would on current subjects!  

    yes why? why so many murders & mayhem because of that stupid movie??  Because fools like you can not differentiate between constructive criticism of Islam and STUPID movies. Morons like you sitting in west writing rubbish in eastern newspapers support Baboons of Islam in East,. That is the reason why there is so much fury about that youtube clip...
     

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    Much of the heated and at times violent reactions to these depictions of Prophet Muhammad and/or insults to the Holy Quran have had to do with the European and North American origins of these productions. Although Ayaan Hirsi Ali and before her Salman Rushdie were Muslims (though of the kind that think themselves to be "secular" and "ex-Muslim", and such, as they say), but the country in which they had initiated their deliberately and consciously insulting acts were in the domain of what Muslims are wont of calling "the West".

    Much of the scandalous consequences of their act were thus attributable to an active history of hostility between this "West" and the "Islam" that has emerged in historic conversation and contestation with it. "The West", so the story went, was actively hostile to "Islam" and here was an example of it. Such acts of blasphemy were initiated in "the West", in the languages of the West (Dutch, Danish, or English, French, etc.) - though their perpetrators were at least nominally (ex)-Muslims.

    You fool knowing well you are talking nonsense., you know well,  People are insulting Muhammad and Islam because of what is there in hadith/sunnah and Quran ., and west hostile to Islam because what baboons of Islam have done and doing in west as well as in east..  Ayaan Hirsi Ali ,  Salman Rushdie and millions of other ex-Muslims  realize what a dangerous political ideology Islam is
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    and  after reading all that hadith/sunnah and Quran every one realizes how foolish the people are to make Islam as religion..  


    ............................

    Our task is to rethink the public space in which we as Arabs or Iranians or Afghans or Muslims ought to live for our collective sanity. Towards that task we may ask ourselves the reaction to an Iranian rapper named Shahin Najafi. According to the Guardian:

        An Iranian rapper has become "the Salman Rushdie of music" after clerics in the Islamic republic issued fatwas calling him an apostate, which is considered punishable by death under the country's sharia law.

        Shahin Najafi, a Germany-based Iranian singer, recently released a song with references to Ali al-Hadi al-Naqi, the 10th of the 12 Shia Muslim imams, a religious figure highly respected by millions in Iran.

    The Germany-based, Najafi's song was not in German or any other European language, but was in Persian, specifically for his vast fan-base in and out of Iran. Why a fatwa against him? Or even beyond the limited circle of the Shia clerics, the choral outcry of these "religious intellectuals" because they thought a Shia imam had been insulted?

    Let's now look at a Bahraini blogger. According to Gulfnews:

        A Bahraini blogger accused of posting abusive remarks targeting Aisha, the wife of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), has been remanded in custody for another 45 days.

        The defendant, 19, was arrested last week for posting the "highly negative comments" in a forum … The defendant admitted the charges, saying that his attitude was in retaliation to alleged insults by online users to Shiite figures …

        "The competent authorities should apply the maximum penalty against him to ensure there is no repeat of attacks on the Prophet or his family or companions," Khalid Al Malood, a lawmaker in the lower chamber, said. "We need to ensure that our society is genuinely protected from any form of sedition and this can be done by carrying out the maximum penalty," he said.

        Al Asala, the exclusive expression of Salafism in Bahrain, last month introduced a bill that stipulates the death penalty or life in prison for anyone found guilty of insulting God or abusing the Prophet, his wife Aisha, or his companions.    

    This case is even more integral to the sectarian clashes entirely domestic to Islam and Muslims - has absolutely nothing to with "the West" or any design it may have to humiliate Muslims.  

    The same source, the Gulfnews, also reports:

        In neighbouring Kuwait on June 4, Hamad Al Naqi was sentenced to 10 years in prison for posting remarks that were deemed blasphemous.

        The 26-year-old Kuwaiti was found guilty of harming Kuwait's interests with Saudi Arabia and Bahrain, two fellow Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) countries.

        The charges were based on a number of tweets made from his account, but Al Naqi said that it had been hacked.

        Kuwait's parliament, dominated by tribesmen and Islamists, has passed a bill stipulating the death penalty for insulting God or the Prophet. However, the bill, which needs to be endorsed by the Emir before it can be implemented, has been returned to the lawmakers.

    Death penalty for a tweet about the Prophet - really? Why? Again, this Kuwaiti case has absolutely nothing to do with a Danish cartoonist or a Hollywood film clip? Financial Times had also reported that:

        Kuwait's parliament approved a law that calls for the death penalty for insulting the Prophet Muhammad, his wives and relatives, in a sign of the growing sway of Islamists who triumphed in elections this year.

    And what does it exactly mean this is the case because the Islamists have won the election? Who exactly are these "Islamists?" Are all Muslim Islamists? Who said so - and by what authority? All these terms - "Islamists", "Jihadists", "Muslim moderates" - they camouflage more than they clear our reading of the matter.  The cases are numerous. According to BBC:

        No evidence has been found against a Christian girl accused of blasphemy by burning pages of the Quran, police have told a court in Pakistan.

        A police official told the court in the capital Islamabad that there were indications that a cleric at a nearby mosque had tampered with the evidence.

        The girl - known as Rimsha - was detained on blasphemy charges in July and has since been granted bail.

        Pakistan's blasphemy laws have been criticised for being open to misuse.

        Critics of the laws say it is often used to target minorities.

    What about the Jewish, Christian, Baha'i, Zoroastrian, or any other non-Muslims living in our societies? Do they not have civil liberties that include freedom of expression, however some such expressions we might find offensive? Are our future societies to be made entirely of Muslims, of Sunni Muslims, of the Salafi sort - as they call themselves?  

    Aren't Copts Egyptians - and are they not entitled to their civil liberties? According to reports:

        The trial opened on Wednesday of an Egyptian Copt accused of blasphemy after posting on the Internet an anti-Islam video that sparked violent protests worldwide, an AFP reporter said.

        Albert Saber, 27, was arrested at his home in Cairo on September 13 after neighbors alerted authorities that he had posted clips from "Innocence of Muslims" on social networking sites.

    What the fuck are you writing about picking up news slips on persecuted people because they are writing against nonsense that is called Islam??  So what did you do to support these folks? write against Islamophobe Ayaan Hirsi Ali and  Salman Rushdie  Satanic Verses ??.. Go read Ali Sina of Faith freedom international .. he is also from Iran like you.. Foool..


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    "Tolerance" here does not mean a passive recipient of any insult that is hurtled your way, or a "turning of the other cheek"
    that the bloody history of the crusades from? Godfrey of Bouillon and after to George Bush and beyond categorically belies, but a more principled and purposeful transmutation of legitimate anger into public reason to reassert Muslim agency in history. In the formation of that vast and expansive public space we articulate our civil liberties against domestic and foreign abuse alike.

    Not all Muslims are what European and North American media calls "Islamists" - whatever it is they mean by that chimeric construction - nor these "Islamists", whoever they are, have a total or exclusive claim on the ancestral faith of 1.3 billion human beings.

    We as Muslims, all of us - and no clerical order or "religious intellectual" (as they call themselves) has the right to represent us - must collectively escort our sanctities into our public domains, breathe in them the fragility and the fallibility of our worldly existence, let them learn of the banalities we live, and let them learn the language of the indignities we experience, and thus let them learn how to teach us the intuition of the sacred we need to face up to this world

    ....Off course it is not.. the last thing Islam teaches is peaceful way solving problems.. well if they write Insults .. why can not you defend it and educate the public what they are doing has no basis and wrong??  You know why?? You fool they are there in Islam. those guys taking things  from Islamic book to insult Islam and its prophet. If you don't know that much you are NOT fit to be a professor in a college.  That too teaching about religions.

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    They will not be diminished by this worldly existence - they will have a new rendezvous with our history on that twilight zone of sanctity and profanity, assuredness and uncertainty.

    Hamid Dabashi is Hagop Kevorkian Professor of Iranian Studies and Comparative Literature at Columbia University in New York. His forthcoming book Corpus Anarchicum: Political Protest, Suicidal Violence, and the Making of the Posthuman Body is scheduled for publication in October.  

    The views expressed in this article are the author's own and do not necessarily reflect Al Jazeera's editorial policy.


    Well That is what he writes about Muslim Baboons + Monkeys and Blasphemy ..  well read the rest from that AMRIKAN professor at the link..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fHoCiBhZ_0


    Damn .. either he is a fool or has FORKED TONGUE..


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  • Re: US official killed in US Embassy Libya due New Anti Islamic Movie
     Reply #224 - October 13, 2012, 12:22 PM

    Let us watch that fucking 13.51mts movie clip again to see what is wrong with it..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM


    That first two minutes of the clip..

    Quote
    Man + X= BT
    BT   -  X  =Man

    Where BT is Islamic terrorist ., and X is Islamic scriptures..


    along with that you have some police guy and other  guy   talking some nonsense which is nothing to with Islam.,  Well that math is indeed correct .. nothing wrong there..  So after that 2 mts .. you have silly Islamic history as story  with some stupid dialogues..

    well .. we got do all 13 mts. not just 2mts of that stupid movie..

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    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: US official killed in US Embassy Libya due New Anti Islamic Movie
     Reply #225 - October 20, 2012, 01:33 PM

    ewwe too much blood, me bloodyphobe, me can't see incest of Moslm, sorry but mo's truly scary  Cry
  • Re: US official killed in US Embassy Libya due New Anti Islamic Movie
     Reply #226 - October 20, 2012, 03:28 PM

    Ok, seriously evry Moslm should watch this, it's pron, precious pron. period.













    N, after that you can event an orgy in the street. Keep it clean.
  • Re: US official killed in US Embassy Libya due New Anti Islamic Movie
     Reply #227 - October 22, 2012, 10:17 PM

    Holy WAR Cheesy
    Step 1: Pickup Holy Gun
    Step 2: fill with holy Bullets
    Step 3: Locate Victim
    Step4:Fire holy Gun
    Step5: Spread  holy bloodshed
    Step 6: Count holy dead bodies these are the points gain in holy War


    You missed out the bit where you use the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch.
  • Re: US official killed in US Embassy Libya due New Anti Islamic Movie
     Reply #228 - October 22, 2012, 11:16 PM

    Sounds like England today.



     

    Me too.

    There are actually quite a lot of Salafis in Canada.

    Which city are you talkin bout allat ?

    From what I'm hearing bout the muslims in England from this forum. The situation in Canada is NOWHERE near that.  

    The highest concentration of muslims you will find is in Mississauga (my city). And even down here you will occasionally see the bearded hardcore dude but just go to any mosque and 70-80% of the men there don't have beards.


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  • Re: US official killed in US Embassy Libya due New Anti Islamic Movie
     Reply #229 - October 22, 2012, 11:23 PM

    If I to guess the highest Salafi presence I would say Britain first, France second, Northern countries rounding it out, Australia, Canada, USA.  Britain suffers alot by having a hands off policy that allowed a lot of political dissidents come in and set up some grassroots radicalism in the 80's and 90's.  Most of the Canada's and the USA's Salafis lack a grassroots radicalization network so they really don't have a critical mass to cause a lot of issues. 

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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  • Re: US official killed in US Embassy Libya due New Anti Islamic Movie
     Reply #230 - October 23, 2012, 12:23 AM

    Give Canada two to three generations and muslim fundies will be almost non existant.

    Every generation seems to be alot more moderate than the previous one. Add in government really tightening up immigration policies and voila and Atheist Nation.

    Salafis are like rats. They keep crawling out of the sewers and into secular countries.

    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Re: US official killed in US Embassy Libya due New Anti Islamic Movie
     Reply #231 - October 23, 2012, 12:38 AM


     

    To the muslims yelling in the vid

    So gonna try to take over the world and implement islam?

    Bitch please the only rich islamic countries are rich only because of oil.  

    Take away the oil and what is the so called "ummah" or "muslim" world? Nothing.

    You guys deny science and there are not any prestigious universities in any Islamic country and oh wait a second how many muslims have won the nobel prize?? Without education and research what f***in progress are you supposed to make.

    An islamic fanatic country like Iran tries to declare war on a European or North American country. (Salafis dream) Then NATO will hand your asses back to you on a platter.

    And there is now way you fundies will ever be able into a position of power in any democratic government.

    And they talk bout takin over the world. Most pathetic lot of people I have ever seen.

    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Re: US official killed in US Embassy Libya due New Anti Islamic Movie
     Reply #232 - October 23, 2012, 01:13 AM

    Mississauga and Scarborough, and other areas like Brampton. Pretty much most of the suburbs around Toronto AFAIK have conservative Muslim (whether Salafi or not) populations but yeah Mississauga and Scarborough seem to have pretty significant numbers of Salafi-types.

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  • Re: US official killed in US Embassy Libya due New Anti Islamic Movie
     Reply #233 - October 23, 2012, 01:37 AM

    ^

    Well yeah i agree that there are lots of muslims but I still don't think it's anywhere near the problem creating numbers there are in Britain. ( again this is just what i gather from the british news linked on this forum).

    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Re: US official killed in US Embassy Libya due New Anti Islamic Movie
     Reply #234 - October 23, 2012, 01:55 AM

    Yeah it's not as bad in Canada only because multiculturalism is not as institutionalized and because of French Canada (Quebec keeps Canada embroiled in French vs English identity politics and Quebec is on the whole more leftist and more critical of Islam AFAIK). Despite its own problems, I love the fact that Quebec keeps Canada from becoming exactly like the USA or UK.

    Here's a Salafi website that lists a bunch of mosques and islamic schools in Canada. Notice how many more there are in Ontario than in the rest of Canada. They are definitely here. And they do tend to reproduce faster and more. They are kept in check by the immense diversity here and by relatively more secular Muslims and by the fact, I think, that Canada is physically humongous. I think the UK's smaller size makes everyone more anxious.

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  • Re: US official killed in US Embassy Libya due New Anti Islamic Movie
     Reply #235 - October 23, 2012, 02:50 AM

    Just went through that site in more detail. Not all the mosques listed there are Salafi, just to be fair.

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  • Re: US official killed in US Embassy Libya due New Anti Islamic Movie
     Reply #236 - October 23, 2012, 11:46 AM

    Just because it isn't as bad in Canada now doesn't mean it won't get bad.

    If Salafis get a foothold in society they grow. That is their raison d'etre. In ten years from now they will be a bigger problem in Canada then they are today - just as they have grown in the UK. They have funds, they have motivated people, they have the fear and intimidation bullying power that comes from declaring takfir - and they have the fear of people to look them in the eye because people are too frightened of being called 'Islamophobes' - in other words, the exact recipe that has led to Salafism growing in Europe.


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