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Reply #30 - November 27, 2012, 12:42 AM

Quote from: monstart on November 26, 2012, 09:10 PM
I think it would be good if somone put together statments from scholars etc who do not call the Quran miracle like al-razi etc.

how are you doing monstart? didn't read you much.. Good point and That is a very good idea ., in other words you want to go back in to the writing of Medieval Philosophers from Middle East that happened to born in Muslim families yet were critical of Islam...

Well let is do that in this thread ., This thread is any way about a GEEK kid with beard.. Not a bad thing to do to educate his followers that seem to come around in to CEMB.
Quote from: monstart on November 26, 2012, 01:56 PM
could anyone actually explain to a non-arabic speaker what Hamza is talking about and why it's a load of rubbish?

Huh! what?/ That guy writes English in Arabic language .. Look at that PDF file I read .. http://www.theinimitablequran.com/rhetoricalfeatures.pdf what is that thing? What the hell is in that?? It sounds like Quran to me.. He writes 3 pages in big letters .. 1st page is heading .. 2nd page gibberish and 3 rd page is reference ..that is whole PDF file and whole chapter of his work on ‘sea of rhetoric in Quran.. ..

It is like that 3 line 12 word chapter AL-KAUTHER from Quran..
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108.001: Surely We have given you Kausar,
108.002: Therefore pray to your Lord and make a sacrifice.
108.003: Surely your enemy is the one who shall be without posterity,

That fool is doing is exactly what Quran writer/s did.. FILL THE PAGES WITH NONSENSE and say it is chapter from Allah..

See these words from him...............
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.... The Qur’an is a ‘sea of rhetoric’. The Qur’an exhibits an unparalleled frequency of rhetorical features,
surpassing any other Arabic text, classical or modern. The use of rhetoric in the Quran stands out from any
type of discourse.

A close up analysis of the Quran can highlight a wide range and frequency of rhetorical features. This is a
comprehensive subject that requires further analysis, however to highlight the Qur’ans uniqueness, the
following list has been provided to

show that the Qur’an employs more rhetorical features than any other
Arabic text; past or present[/quote]
Errrr............... It appears recently he learned that word ,,"rhetoric" .. Indeed if you remove those copy/pasted silly stories from OT, NT and pagans of that time and If you remove Nonsensical verses that alleged Muhammad gets to support his Loot and booty., what is left in Quran is rhetorical repetitive nonsense .. Indeed Quran is filled with he most pointless, mind-numbing rhetorical nonsense . Off course there are rhyming words in it so you can sing a song in Arabic..

Anyways welcome to CEMB.. and I am glad to read you..

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Reply #31 - November 29, 2012, 02:01 PM

hi yeezee, thanks, i read these forums on a regular basis but don't do much posting. i heard another miracle of the Quran today, apprently there are Palindromes which mohammed could not have invented, any arabic speaker knows what they are talking about?
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Reply #32 - January 04, 2014, 08:51 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcxNF1HEKS4&feature=youtu.be

"Basics of Sikhi
22 hours ago

+Muslim Zeal +Eminem
Likitysplit spit, 40 lyrical devices isn't da Lick,
This milk was already spilt, pick another trick,
3 words are fewer but still take the mick!
Still not impressing this Sikh,
Dawah Man on a broken record tip,
Shouting hamzas words mixed with spit,
not deranged but uncomposed,
and dangerously close,
boring our shoes off our toes,
a new method he shudda chose,
This Sikh is not one of those,
to be confused with metaphors.
When Imran's looks for applause,
we knock him off his high horse,
In either rhyme or prose.
You get me bros?"
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Reply #33 - January 04, 2014, 10:12 PM

I couldn't get half way through. My brain hurts.
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Reply #34 - January 04, 2014, 11:17 PM

OK- I previously defended this guy in one post on the basis that he's just a kid doing his thing but the more I see/hear of him the more I find him annoying now. He actually reminds me of someone I used to know back in my twenties who I found really annoying even back then- the type that likes to do street dawah but as soon as you turn your back is probably chatting up girls and up to all sorts of activity that he espouses as haram. I seriously think he might be one of them- the sooner he grows out of this phase the better coz the more I hear him the more I want him to stick his rhetorical devices where the rhetorical sun don't shine.

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Reply #35 - January 05, 2014, 12:19 AM

This is the best example of post hoc rationalization that I have ever seen.
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Reply #36 - January 05, 2014, 08:10 PM

Quote from: dr_sloth on January 04, 2014, 08:51 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcxNF1HEKS4&feature=youtu.be

"Basics of Sikhi
22 hours ago

+Muslim Zeal +Eminem
Likitysplit spit, 40 lyrical devices isn't da Lick,
This milk was already spilt, pick another trick,
3 words are fewer but still take the mick!
Still not impressing this Sikh,
Dawah Man on a broken record tip,
Shouting hamzas words mixed with spit,
not deranged but uncomposed,
and dangerously close,
boring our shoes off our toes,
a new method he shudda chose,
This Sikh is not one of those,
to be confused with metaphors.
When Imran's looks for applause,
we knock him off his high horse,
In either rhyme or prose.
You get me bros?"

This fella is an absolute nutter. The fact that he stated that ''Allah is the creator of the world, whether you believe it or not, that's just the way it is'' and then tries to 'logically prove' whether 'Allah' or Eminem is better using 'rhetorical devices' sums him up.

Oh and Eminem is better BTW .
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Reply #37 - January 05, 2014, 08:37 PM

the Eminem song in question is actually quite impressive. Most Eminem songs contain 'iltifat' all the way through, and finding rhetorical devices is trivial.
Dawahman missed the most important rhetorical device. The title of the song is a metaphor. No need to get his knickers in a twist in the first place.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbGs_qK2PQA
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Reply #38 - January 05, 2014, 09:53 PM

Couldn't even listen it through, but I laughed at his attempt to sound "intelligent" and "intellectual" by using all those terms like "phonological superiority" etc This discussion about how the Quran is sooooo superior (linguistically) was never this relevant when I became Muslim 9 years ago. Now all of a sudden it's THE debate Muslim engage in. I think it's because more and more people, both Muslim and non-Muslims, actually read it and realize that it's just nothing but bullshit that it would be something special. So they have to take a defensive stance and argue for its "miraculous" nature.

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Reply #39 - January 05, 2014, 11:05 PM

Even if we grant DawahMoron the extremely generous assumption that the surah contains those devices, anyone with more than a single brain cell knows that the quality of a piece of literature does not depend entirely on the number of rhetorical devices, but mainly the meaning and message it conveys(the actual content).

And given the number of historical and scientific errors in the Quran, the absence of any useful insight or information, it is a really bad piece of literature. Not to mention how it jumps randomly around from one topic to the next and is incoherent unless you read it along with supplementary texts like the hadith.

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Reply #40 - January 06, 2014, 01:51 AM

Yes, it means nothing without accompanying Hadith. Some Progressives are dismissive of Hadith, and then start interpreting Quranic verse by Progressive rules, telling you when it was revealed and what it means and how it is not relevant in this and that situation, etc. Then you ask them, but don't you discount Hadith? If so, how do you know which verse is Medinah, which is Mecca, why it was given?
I am waiting still for this answer.
Probably pick and mix, what appeals to their logic, ijtihad, blah.

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Reply #41 - January 06, 2014, 02:49 AM

Quote from: dr_sloth on January 04, 2014, 08:51 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcxNF1HEKS4&feature=youtu.be

"Basics of Sikhi
22 hours ago

+Muslim Zeal +Eminem
Likitysplit spit, 40 lyrical devices isn't da Lick,
This milk was already spilt, pick another trick,
3 words are fewer but still take the mick!
Still not impressing this Sikh,
Dawah Man on a broken record tip,
Shouting hamzas words mixed with spit,
not deranged but uncomposed,
and dangerously close,
boring our shoes off our toes,
a new method he shudda chose,
This Sikh is not one of those,
to be confused with metaphors.
When Imran's looks for applause,
we knock him off his high horse,
In either rhyme or prose.
You get me bros?"

hello dr_sloth ., just curious here., what is the relation between that fool Imran mansur silly tube and "Basics of Sikhi sonnet you wrote? (did you write that?) look at that fool's glassy eyes at the end of that tube at 15.25 mts with that TAKE BEER.. TAKE WINE shouting..

As far as that produce a surah like we see in Quran 2:23 is concerned
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And if you are in doubt as to which We have revealed to Our servant, then produce a sura like it, and call on your helper, besides Allah, if you are truthful.

there are gillion sonnets and little poem that we have on the web that are far superior sayings/quotes/sonnets than what we see in that silly book Quran. To stupid kids like Imran Mnsur of that tube, let me put some quotes on word "LOVE" that are far superior better sounding statements than ANY SURAH that we see in Quran

Here is Surah Love for these fools
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Love. 001: The only thing we never get enough of is love; and the only thing we never give enough of is love.

Love. 002: We’re born alone, we live alone, we die alone. Only through our love and friendship can we create the illusion for the moment that we’re not alone.

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Love. 003: Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known. And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.......... 1 Corinthians 13:4-13

Love. 004: All, everything that I understand, I only understand because I love."

Love. 005: "With love one can live even without happiness."

Love. 006 : "There's no substitute for a great love who says, 'No matter what's wrong with you, you're welcome at this table.'"

Go pick up any 6 verses from any chapter of Quran and make it sound/feel like the above statements. Fools read nonsense and make up silly stories in the name of allah/god whatever...

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Reply #42 - January 06, 2014, 06:43 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfSH87aXDQQ
Can DawahMan find a verse in the quran which comes anywhere near this?
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Reply #43 - January 06, 2014, 11:31 AM

Quote from: monstart on November 29, 2012, 02:01 PM
hi yeezee, thanks, i read these forums on a regular basis but don't do much posting. i heard another miracle of the Quran today, apprently there are Palindromes which mohammed could not have invented, any arabic speaker knows what they are talking about?

Well to reinforce their silly faith, the faith heads discover all sorts of miracles in Quran .. Math miracle, Language miracle, miraculous Astrophysics, miraculous biology , miraculous Geophysics and what not.. And that is not new to those who question these blind beliefs, Palindrome Miracle of Quran is floating around for the past 10 years ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqksuXlJqbU

I am sure one can find such Palindrome Miracles in every language including in the sounds of DOGS monstart. Mock the fools and move on..

with best wishes and happy new year
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Reply #44 - January 06, 2014, 12:19 PM

Quote from: yeezevee on January 06, 2014, 02:49 AM
hello dr_sloth ., just curious here., what is the relation between that fool Imran mansur silly tube and "Basics of Sikhi sonnet you wrote?

the sikh guy wrote it as a comment on the video
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Reply #45 - January 06, 2014, 12:33 PM

Quote from: dr_sloth on January 06, 2014, 12:19 PM
the sikh guy wrote it as a comment on the video

Oh I see.. well basics of any religion/faith is found in their respective so-called scriptures.. what Sikhs call it as Guru_Granth_Sahib .

One can down load and read that book from here . In fact that www.sacred-texts.com gives scriptures of all religions/faiths/cultures whatever....

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