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  • Gita Sahgal on identity politics and racism
     OP - July 23, 2020, 09:21 PM
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=emb_title&v=0SsEgqiqVug

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    Gita Sahgal is a writer, journalist, film-maker and rights activist. She is currently Founder and Director of Centre for Secular Space. She was formerly Head of the Gender Unit at Amnesty International; she was suspended in 2010 after she was quoted criticising Amnesty for its high-profile associations with the Islamist Moazzam Begg, the director of a group called Cageprisoners. For many years she served on the board of Southall Black Sisters and was a founder of Women Against Fundamentalism and Awaaz: South Asia Watch. With Nira Yival Davis, she edited “Refusing Holy Orders: Women and Fundamentalism in Britain” (London, 1992). Among her articles are “Legislating Utopia? Violence Against Women, Identities and Interventions” in “The Situated Politics of Belonging”. During the 1980s, she worked for a Black current affairs programme called “Bandung File” on Channel 4 TV. She made two films about the Rushdie affair, “Hullaballoo Over Satanic Verses” and “Struggle or Submission”. She has also made two programmes for Dispatches Channel 4, “The Provoked Wife” on the case of Kiranjit Ahluwalia and “The War Crimes File”, an investigation into allegations of war crimes, committed by members of the Jamaat i Islami in Bangladesh in 1971.


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  • Gita Sahgal on identity politics and racism
     Reply #1 - July 24, 2020, 07:44 PM
    she talks a lot of sense, especially on multiculturism as a tool for controlling communities.
  • Gita Sahgal on identity politics and racism
     Reply #2 - July 25, 2020, 09:00 AM
    She says more about multiculturalism here.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2gOVuOYVYLQ
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  • Gita Sahgal on identity politics and racism
     Reply #3 - July 25, 2020, 10:17 AM
    more intelligent discussion. maybe makes the state sound a little too clever in its division of the population and support of troublemakers. there's a large dollop of incompetence and indifference at play too.

    the comment about identity vs religious tradition was interesting. muslims in britain seem to be focused on identity as they are cut off from their cultural roots. a dead tradition invites autopsy so atheist muslims could be seen a further expression of that disconnection..
  • Gita Sahgal on identity politics and racism
     Reply #4 - July 25, 2020, 10:50 AM
    Adoption of Islamism and atheism both indications of distance from any living cultural and religious tradition?
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  • Gita Sahgal on identity politics and racism
     Reply #5 - July 25, 2020, 11:16 AM
    the view would be that colonialism finished off islam as a living tradition. muslims reacted in two ways: 1) reformers took the corpse and created a political movement known as islamism 2) seculars accepted its death and pursued atheist movements.

    later immigration of muslim populations to britain could be seen as a microcosm of that defeat/break with a dead/dying religious tradition and the similar reactions that followed.
  • Gita Sahgal on identity politics and racism
     Reply #6 - July 25, 2020, 12:36 PM
    this quote points to where muslim faith is today.

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    Tradition is the living faith of the dead; traditionalism is the dead faith of the living. Tradition lives in conversation with the past, while remembering where we are and when we are and that it is we who have to decide. Traditionalism supposes that nothing should ever be done for the first time, so all that is needed to solve any problem is to arrive at the supposedly unanimous testimony of this homogenized tradition.


    https://harpers.org/2008/12/pelikan-on-tradition-and-traditionalism/
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