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  • Am I homophobic?
     OP - October 14, 2014, 04:07 PM

    My best mate at uni and I were inseparable. We did everything together. We drank together, made friends together, eat together, got high together, tried the same cheesy lines in clubs together. We had a friendship made for life and I loved the guy... unfortunately it didn't quite work out that way, because after one particularly emotional and drug-fuelled night together, a few years after uni, he suddenly made a declaration that would change everything between us forever. He broke down and told me that he loved me and that he had done always. And not just as a friend. But as in real love.

    This came as a complete shock to me. I had no idea that he was bisexual for a start. Secondly, we were best friends. Friends are not supposed to make declarations like that in my world... Anyways, I was in shock and made my excuses and left him to it that night, without responding at all to his heartfelt declaration.

    Afterwards, I re-evaluated everything about our friendship. I saw everything in a new light. I saw a new motive behind him, for instance, occasionally asking me about my thoughts on homosexuality. I thought back to all the times he had offered to share his bed with me, even when I insisted that I preferred my own space on the floor or couch. I thought again about his insistence on sticking to the gay areas in town on a night out.  I even remembered him regularly parading topless when in my company, and started wondering if this had been some kind of attempt to seduce me? I started questioning everything, and perhaps because of this, I reacted by blanking him out of my life. I did not return his calls, or texts, or emails. I did not even read them. I offered no explanation, I just moved on with my life, without him.

    Every girlfriend I have been with since that time, with whom I've shared this story, has told me that my reaction completely overblown and cruel. They have even encouraged me to get back touch with him and clear the air with him. I haven't. I'm not sure why I haven't. I see myself as open-minded in general, so why am I being so archaic about this? I guess the best explanation I can give is that this is the way I'm wired perhaps, and now I can't face my friend, partly because I can no longer see him as a friend?

    Anyways, if you've read all that babble, I'd be happy to hear your thoughts. Please feel free to be truthful and as scolding as you see fit, for I completely broke this poor guys heart, and have never offered him any kind of explanation for it. Was my reaction homophobic? Am I homophobic? I'm pretty sure, for instance, that I would not have reacted the same way had this been an unwanted advance from a female friend, as opposed to a male one.

    Hi
  • Am I homophobic?
     Reply #1 - October 14, 2014, 04:27 PM

    Well, I wouldn't call it homophobic, because in all honesty, you have nothing against homosexuality right? And it's not really the issue here, I think.

    On one hand it is understandable that you would react differently than with a girl, because the "norm" in society is that a girl and a boy fall in love, so it wouldn't be unheard of two good friends of the opposite sex start liking each other. Heterosexual love and attraction is "normal", and however "liberal" and "open-minded" we see ourselves as, when personally confronted with love, feelings and desires that "deviant" or against the norm, we react.

    You never expected anything like this, so do you maybe feel betrayed? Mislead? Perhaps you even feel disappointed or afraid that your friendship meant more to you, and maybe wasn't anything else than an attempt to seduce you? I'm trying to ask you questions you have to answer, because you have to think real hard about why you reacted like you did. It will help you deal with your own feelings and hopefully be able to move on.

    Now, even if your reaction is understandable from a certain perspective, I don't think it is acceptable. Sometimes we have to put ourselves in the other person's shoes. Just because your friend fell in love with you, doesn't mean your friendship didn't mean the world to him. How long to you think he kept his unrecruited love for you a secret? Have you ever loved someone, but that someone never saw you that way? It hurts, deeply, so much that he one day decided after such a long time despite everything to risk your friendship and "confess" to you (sounds a bit corny, but isn't love corny sometimes?).

    In the end, when it comes to love gender doesn't really matter. Isn't love most often an extension of a friendship? Had the guy been a woman, maybe you would've thought about it and given it a chance? But because he was a guy, you couldn't deal with it and from what I read, I don't think you dealt with it in a mature way.

    Perhaps you wouldn't be able to continue being as close, it would be too "weird" for you and too painful for him. But to just cut him off, and never actually talking about it most surely hurt both of you. You both lost a good friendship, and he most surely was hurt that it ended with worst case scenario once he confessed his feelings to you. I definitely think you should contact him and ask him for you to talk things through, maybe you can still be friends albeit not that close. Or maybe it will give both of you some kind of closure.

    "The healthiest people I know are those who are the first to label themselves fucked up." - three
  • Am I homophobic?
     Reply #2 - October 14, 2014, 04:49 PM

    Friends are not supposed to make declarations like that in my world...


    Don't know which world you're in.  Cheesy

    Anyway, as to the overall question, I don't think you're necessarily homophobic, but you need to overcome this whatever hurdle you have about getting back in touch with him. You've agreed you overreacted and that you probably ended up hurting him. But unless you just can't see him as a friend anymore, (which I think would likely make you somewhat homophobic), you should at the very least apologize for the way you reacted to that. I dunno, it is rather complicated, and I've not had a particularly good track record of keeping in touch with friends myself, but I don't see any harm with extending the olive branch.

    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Am I homophobic?
     Reply #3 - October 14, 2014, 05:31 PM

    I think an apology would make both of you feel better.

    I think I'd reserve the word homophobia for a more active dislike or hostility towards the idea of homosexuality, rather than a somewhat involuntary reaction to a very personal, confusing and emotionally charged situation and subsequent awkwardness. An awkwardness which can happen when friends of any gender or sexuality make unexpected romantic advances, so it's not necessarily anything to do with a specific sexuality. 

    I suppose it depends on what is actually keeping you from contacting him. If it is merely because he is gay, then yes, you do have a problem. If it is instead because you're embarrassed about how you acted, or too proud, or simply because you don't know what to say to him or how to approach it and are putting it off, or something like that, then clearly him being gay is not the problem you have with him.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Am I homophobic?
     Reply #4 - October 14, 2014, 05:31 PM

    I think the shock of seeing someone in a totally different light and as a different person (even though he wasn't of course) especially after having been so close was just something you couldn't handle and didn't want to deal with.

    I don't think your are homophobic... well perhaps a bit... but at least you can recognise this for what it is.

    I would say get in touch, simply just to clear there air.

  • Am I homophobic?
     Reply #5 - October 14, 2014, 05:35 PM

    Don't know which world you're in.  Cheesy



    Well actually, I can understand where that came from. When I was young I had a dance partner who I got on with fine. Until he told me he was in love with me. From that moment on I was in a way repelled by him and not long after that I stopped dancing with him. I don't know, certain things can be the end of a friendship and the way Musivore told his story it must be so unsettling that you just can't deal with it.
    But it surely must have been tough for the friend.
  • Am I homophobic?
     Reply #6 - October 14, 2014, 05:55 PM

    Well actually, I can understand where that came from. When I was young I had a dance partner who I got on with fine. Until he told me he was in love with me. From that moment on I was in a way repelled by him and not long after that I stopped dancing with him. I don't know, certain things can be the end of a friendship and the way Musivore told his story it must be so unsettling that you just can't deal with it.
    But it surely must have been tough for the friend.


    Well it would be nice to have that feeling. At least you're in the position of power.  Tongue

    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Am I homophobic?
     Reply #7 - October 14, 2014, 06:31 PM

    All the rest aside, Musivore, whether or not you could have handled it better, there's no use beating yourself up over it now. I agree with all who said you might feel better reaching out to him. Better late than never, and it may wind up ending on a positive note.

    Or, at least, that's what I would do. Even if the attempt to reconnect goes poorly, I like the closure for things like this.

    Well it would be nice to have that feeling. At least you're in the position of power.  Tongue


    I think one day you'll find it isn't all that great...or maybe you'll really like it, and then may god have mercy on all the poor girls who will fall for our asbie.
  • Am I homophobic?
     Reply #8 - October 14, 2014, 07:35 PM

    Quote
    I think one day you'll find it isn't all that great...or maybe you'll really like it, and then may god have mercy on all the poor girls who will fall for our asbie.


    That... Wink
  • Am I homophobic?
     Reply #9 - October 14, 2014, 08:17 PM

    I was avoiding reading this thread properly, until now. I think I feel shame and guilt, and that may be why I wasn't looking forward to your responses. You guys have always been like a mirror to my conscience, and seem to understand it better than even I do.

    Thank you so much for your replies. I'll respond more to them, perhaps, later. For now, I am sat on the toilet digesting them. As one digestion cycle ends, another begins. Such is the life that I so love.

    Hi
  • Am I homophobic?
     Reply #10 - October 14, 2014, 09:11 PM

    Well, I wouldn't call it homophobic, because in all honesty, you have nothing against homosexuality right? And it's not really the issue here, I think.

    On one hand it is understandable that you would react differently than with a girl, because the "norm" in society is that a girl and a boy fall in love, so it wouldn't be unheard of two good friends of the opposite sex start liking each other. Heterosexual love and attraction is "normal", and however "liberal" and "open-minded" we see ourselves as, when personally confronted with love, feelings and desires that "deviant" or against the norm, we react.

    You never expected anything like this, so do you maybe feel betrayed? Mislead? Perhaps you even feel disappointed or afraid that your friendship meant more to you, and maybe wasn't anything else than an attempt to seduce you? I'm trying to ask you questions you have to answer, because you have to think real hard about why you reacted like you did. It will help you deal with your own feelings and hopefully be able to move on.

    Now, even if your reaction is understandable from a certain perspective, I don't think it is acceptable. Sometimes we have to put ourselves in the other person's shoes. Just because your friend fell in love with you, doesn't mean your friendship didn't mean the world to him. How long to you think he kept his unrecruited love for you a secret? Have you ever loved someone, but that someone never saw you that way? It hurts, deeply, so much that he one day decided after such a long time despite everything to risk your friendship and "confess" to you (sounds a bit corny, but isn't love corny sometimes?).

    In the end, when it comes to love gender doesn't really matter. Isn't love most often an extension of a friendship? Had the guy been a woman, maybe you would've thought about it and given it a chance? But because he was a guy, you couldn't deal with it and from what I read, I don't think you dealt with it in a mature way.

    Perhaps you wouldn't be able to continue being as close, it would be too "weird" for you and too painful for him. But to just cut him off, and never actually talking about it most surely hurt both of you. You both lost a good friendship, and he most surely was hurt that it ended with worst case scenario once he confessed his feelings to you. I definitely think you should contact him and ask him for you to talk things through, maybe you can still be friends albeit not that close. Or maybe it will give both of you some kind of closure.


    Wow. Who are you? I've failed to read your posts properly before this. That was a mistake.

    I agree with everything you said. I did feel betrayed, and all of the other things you mentioned.

    I think I have nothing against homosexuality. I know this is weak support for saying that, but I have close gay friends. I love them and would defend them with my life if push came to shove. But these are friends whose sexuality I have known almost from the start. I think perhaps my reaction would have been different to my best friend, if he had revealed his bisexuality to me earlier. The shock of feeling that I did not know this person at all, when he did eventually come out, perhaps contributed to my reaction.

    I have no doubt that I reacted like an emotional retard. I can't meet my friend again because I wouldn't know how to explain my immediate reaction to him, nor my continued absence. I wouldn't know where to begin. And one of the reasons why I can't explain it to him is because I cannot justify it, nor understand it myself.

    Hi
  • Am I homophobic?
     Reply #11 - October 14, 2014, 09:39 PM

    I don't get homophobia from you, I get a feeling that you felt betrayed, that your relationship was based on a lie. I hope that's not the case, because though he had feelings, it doesn't mean the entire friendship was a deception.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Am I homophobic?
     Reply #12 - October 14, 2014, 09:45 PM

    I have no doubt that I reacted like an emotional retard. I can't meet my friend again because I wouldn't know how to explain my immediate reaction to him, nor my continued absence. I wouldn't know where to begin. And one of the reasons why I can't explain it to him is because I cannot justify it, nor understand it myself.

    K, short version is you know you were being silly, but you're too embarrassed to try and fix things. Since it's obviously bugging you, you could just try telling him that. Afro

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Am I homophobic?
     Reply #13 - October 15, 2014, 02:33 AM

    And one of the reasons why I can't explain it to him is because I cannot justify it, nor understand it myself.


    Doesn't mean you can't make an effort to try and patch things up, or at the very least give a much deserved apology.

    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Am I homophobic?
     Reply #14 - October 15, 2014, 07:09 AM

    K, short version is you know you were being silly, but you're too embarrassed to try and fix things. Since it's obviously bugging you, you could just try telling him that. Afro


    Lol. I think you, asbie and the others are completely right, I need to apologise. I can do that bit, possibly by text. I just cannot face a conversation, nor begin to explain things. I would go blank, and just stare. It would do more harm than good. Besides, he may not want to drag this all up again, after all the years that have passed. But I think I will consider starting with a text to apologise, and see what happens after that.

    Hi
  • Am I homophobic?
     Reply #15 - October 15, 2014, 07:42 AM

    Sounds like a plan.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Am I homophobic?
     Reply #16 - October 15, 2014, 07:42 AM

    Thanks Ishina, Abu, Senga, Asbie, Quod, and lua. Your kind words  and thoughts on this have helped  :t
    hnkyu:[/u]

    Hi
  • Am I homophobic?
     Reply #17 - October 15, 2014, 07:46 AM

    ^ please ignore that formatting. God knows how I did that. I have not been bitten by Yeezacula, in case you're wondering.

    Hi
  • Am I homophobic?
     Reply #18 - October 15, 2014, 07:48 AM

    I just cannot face a conversation, nor begin to explain things. I would go blank, and just stare. It would do more harm than good.

    Yeah, it might give the impression you were in love. Cheesy

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Am I homophobic?
     Reply #19 - October 15, 2014, 09:52 AM

    I have to say, maybe I did love this guy. He was the funniest, friendliest, craziest, most random person that I have ever met. I learnt so much from him, both good and bad. He changed me as a person. Even though I have never been shy, he taught me to be less reserved with people. He could make an instant, often hilarious, connection with anyone, regardless of their age, background, intelligence, race or personality.  After seeing that in him, I opened up a lot more to people that I possibly would not have considered opening up to, and that has made my life much more interesting and enjoyable for me since then. He also had a dark side. I suppose we all do, but his was darker than most, and involved serious Class A drug abuse, prostitution, theft (and if mutual friends who have kept me informed about him are correct, I can add fraud and some other very serious criminal activity to that list, since I last heard from him). Yeah, he kept life interesting. I do miss him. But I have a feeling that even if my apology goes down well, we will never be close again.

    Hi
  • Am I homophobic?
     Reply #20 - October 15, 2014, 10:54 AM

    Should still apologise even if don't end up being best buddies. He seems an interesting character to me.
  • Am I homophobic?
     Reply #21 - October 15, 2014, 11:08 AM

    Thanks Lily. You've been quiet recently?

    It's interesting that you find him interesting   yes

    Hi
  • Am I homophobic?
     Reply #22 - October 15, 2014, 01:36 PM

    Thanks Lily. You've been quiet recently?

    It's interesting that you find him interesting   yes


    Was in London over the weekend so was not on the forum much.

    :p

    I am fine though, needed a little break from online stuff!
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