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  • Halal cheating made easier..
     OP - April 05, 2015, 07:59 PM

    Just like the halal murder (of apostates and blasphemers) and halal pedophilia - halal cheating is another Sharia-compliant product of the medieval mindset also known as Islam. I wonder what the Amina Waduds and Igrid Mattsons of the Western world have to say here? Do these Pakistanis follow the Martian version of Islam, or is it based on the same original texts that the rest of the Muslims follow? I mean shouldn't we judge Islam on how the majority interprets it after all?

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    ISLAMABAD, MARCH 11: 
    A constitutional body in Pakistan which gives legal advice to the government on religious issues has said a man does not need his wife’s consent for a second marriage, prompting angry reactions on social media.

    The Council of Islamic Ideology, known as CII, said laws prohibiting underage marriage were un-Islamic as Islam does not forbid marriage of young children.

    http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/news/international/wifes-consent-not-needed-for-mans-second-marriage-pakistan-body/article5774081.ece
  • Halal cheating made easier..
     Reply #1 - April 05, 2015, 08:26 PM

     vomit bullshit

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Halal cheating made easier..
     Reply #2 - April 05, 2015, 09:33 PM

    I don't think that muslim men having sex with other wives or sex slaves is considered cheating.

    when two people enter an agreed monogamous marriage, they both agree and understand that they should be faithful to one another. Thus if they have extra marital affairs, it is a breech on that agreement. That's why it's cheating.

    but in a muslim marriage, no such agreement is present on the man's part. So the woman knows that by entering the marriage, there is no agreement that the husband will be faithful to her and her only. So if the husband gets other wives or sex slaves, he's not violating anything.

    "we stand firm calling to allah all the time,
    we let them know - bang! bang! - coz it's dawah time!"
  • Halal cheating made easier..
     Reply #3 - April 05, 2015, 09:51 PM

    Very uncomfortable with all the 'muslim' this and 'muslim' that thrown around here...


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    but in a muslim marriage, no such agreement is present on the man's part. So the woman knows that by entering the marriage, there is no agreement that the husband will be faithful to her and her only. So if the husband gets other wives or sex slaves, he's not violating anything.


    Yes he is...and I know a shit load of Muslim women that would kick the shit out of their husband if he even THOUGHT about doing this....

    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Halal cheating made easier..
     Reply #4 - April 05, 2015, 10:20 PM

    Geez. I only used the m word twice. Don't know why you would be uncomfortable with it.

    "we stand firm calling to allah all the time,
    we let them know - bang! bang! - coz it's dawah time!"
  • Halal cheating made easier..
     Reply #5 - April 05, 2015, 10:35 PM

    Because you worded it in a way that included all people who identify as muslim?

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Halal cheating made easier..
     Reply #6 - April 05, 2015, 10:54 PM

    Just like the halal murder (of apostates and blasphemers) and halal pedophilia - halal cheating is another Sharia-compliant product of the medieval mindset also known as Islam. I wonder what the Amina Waduds and Igrid Mattsons of the Western world have to say here? Do these Pakistanis follow the Martian version of Islam, or is it based on the same original texts that the rest of the Muslims follow? I mean shouldn't we judge Islam on how the majority interprets it after all?


    It's very important not to judge individual Muslims by whatever it is that you personally consider to be the 'majority', 'real' or 'true' Islam. Not only is that a matter of dispute, it inevitably leads to generalising about Muslims themselves.

    I'd rather judge each person according to what they believe.

    If Amina Wadud wants to interpret it her way, why deny her that right?

    Religion has always been a matter of human interpretation.
  • Halal cheating made easier..
     Reply #7 - April 05, 2015, 11:01 PM

    Geez. I only used the m word twice. Don't know why you would be uncomfortable with it.


    Because Muslims are not all the same and do not all believe the same thing. Most married Muslims I know expect a monogamous marriage. In some cases a pre nuptual agreement is made.
  • Halal cheating made easier..
     Reply #8 - April 05, 2015, 11:33 PM

    Aah i see. Didn't mean muslim = people tho. I meant "according to islam" or "according to sharia".

    "we stand firm calling to allah all the time,
    we let them know - bang! bang! - coz it's dawah time!"
  • Halal cheating made easier..
     Reply #9 - April 06, 2015, 12:37 AM

    CII is known as being in PARTICULAR hardcore - this ruling spouted the following Pakistani satire (which of course was picked up as fact around the web by anti-Muslim outlets):

    Council of Islamic Ideology declares women’s existence anti-Islamic

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    Islamabad - Sharia Correspondent: The Council of Islamic Ideology (CII) concluded their 192nd meeting on Thursday with the ruling that women are un-Islamic and that their mere existence contradicted Sharia and the will of Allah. As the meeting concluded CII Chairman Maulana Muhammad Khan Shirani noted that women by existing defied the laws of nature, and to protect Islam and the Sharia women should be forced to stop existing as soon as possible. The announcement comes a couple of days after CII’s 191st meeting where they dubbed laws related to minimum marriage age to be un-Islamic.

    After declaring women to be un-Islamic, Shirani explained that there were actually two kinds of women – haraam and makrooh. “We can divide all women in the world into two distinct categories: those who are haraam and those who are makrooh. Now the difference between haraam and makrooh is that the former is categorically forbidden while the latter is really really disliked,” Shirani said.

    He further went on to explain how the women around the world can ensure that they get promoted to being makrooh, from just being downright haraam. “Any woman that exercises her will is haraam, absolutely haraam, and is conspiring against Islam and the Ummah, whereas those women who are totally subservient can reach the status of being makrooh. Such is the generosity of our ideology and such is the endeavour of Muslim men like us who are the true torchbearers of gender equality,” the CII chairman added.

    Officials told Khabaristan Today that the council members deliberated over various historic references related to women and concluded that each woman is a source of fitna and a perpetual enemy of Islam. They also decided that by restricting them to their subordinate, bordering on slave status, the momineen and the mujahideen can ensure that Islam continues to be the religion of peace, prosperity and gender equality.

    Responding to a question one of the officials said that international standards of gender equality should not be used if they contradict Islam or the constitution of Pakistan that had incorporated Islam and had given sovereignty to Allah. “We don’t believe in western ideals, and nothing that contradicts Islam should ever be paid heed. In any case by giving women the higher status of being makrooh, it’s us Muslims who have paved the way for true, Sharia compliant feminism,” the official said.

    The CII meeting also advised the government that to protect Islam women’s right to breathe should also be taken away from them. “Whether a woman is allowed to breathe or not be left up to her husband or male guardian, and no woman under any circumstance whatsoever should be allowed to decide whether she can breathe or not,” Shirani said.

    Bilawal announces Sukhbir’s concert to raise food for drought victims

    Thar - Staff Report: Pakistan Peoples Party (Chairman) Bilawal Benazir Zulfikar Asif Ali Zardari Bhutto (short Bilawal Bhutto) has invited renowned pop singer to Thar for a concert to raise food for the drought victims, Khabaristan Today has learnt. Bilawal believes that Sukhbir’s show, which he dubbed the Thar Festival, will generate enough money to serve the hungry people in the region.

    “You have no idea how much the situation in Thar is hurting me personally. The Sindh government is trying so hard to make sure that everyone in the province is happy, and yet we see such appalling pictures. I really feel like I might have to organise another Sindh Festival here,” Bilawal told Khabaristan Today.

    He then went on to explain how inviting Sukhbir over for a concert will solve the hunger crisis in the region. “I guess I will have to make do with a mini Thar festival, since another Sindh Festival might not be possible right now. In any case we are inviting Sukhbir over for a concert and all the money generated from the concert would go straight to the relief fund dedicated to the Thar victims,” Bilawal added.

    The PPP chairman further said that if concerts can make Imran Khan’s (the former cricketer, not the singer or the actor) Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaaf the second biggest party in the country, they can “sure as hell” make PPP the second biggest party in Sindh.

    “Sure, we might be calling the shots in the province but everyone knows who the biggest party in Sindh is, I mean come on,” Bilawal reiterated adding that, “Sukhbir’s party might help us establish ourselves as the second biggest provincial political party and help solve the Thar crisis simultaneously.”

    The PPP chairman then went on to do a bhangra dance on “Ishq Tera Tadpaay” exclusively for Khabaristan Today, forcing our camera man to resign unconditionally.

    529 Paul Smith outlets open in Charsadda on the same day

    Charsadda - Fashion Correspondent: In what was a historic day for fashion 529 Paul Smith outlets opened simultaneously in Charsadda on Tuesday, Khabaristan Today has learnt. Another surprising fact about these outlets was that the outlets only seemed to be dealing in Paul Smith’s latest offering, “Robert”. Even so, in a surprising turn of events the original version of the shoe that is being sold for around $600 worldwide, is being sold merely for Rs600 in these outlets.

    We cannot seem to pinpoint the reason behind these bizarre happenings. But Paul Smith seems to have taken global and Pakistani fashion industry by storm this week. Robert seems to be here to stay, despite the fact that sales in Charsadda aren’t particularly high. Locals don’t see anything different in Robert as compared to what they have been wearing for generations.

    “I didn’t even notice that all these outlets had opened in this city. Probably because all they seem to be offering are these shoes that my family has been wearing for a couple of centuries now,” a passerby told this scribe.

    “And they are selling it at the same rate as Peshawari chappals. No wonder no one’s buying them,” he added.


    Problem is still that CII *DID* in fact say that a taking a second wife is no business of the first wife. This is only a couple of weeks old:

    Permission from earlier wives not required for new marriage: Sherani

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    ISLAMABAD: After a gap of few months the chairman of Council of Islamic Ideology (CII), Maulana Mohammad Khan Sherani, has spoken again on his most talked-about topics — marriage, divorce and women.

    Talking to reporters after a CCI meeting here on Wedn­esday, Maulana Sherani said men did not need to take permission from the first wife or previous wives for another marriage. He said that “some people are creating anarchy and discontent under the garb of women’s rights”.

    Also read: Three consecutive declarations for divorce should be punishable offence: CII

    As per Islamic principles, he added, men could have up to four wives at one time.

    Criticising NGOs, he said some organisations working for human rights were spreading unrest in the society by trying to distort the facts.

    The CII meeting was called to welcome its new members.

    Maulana Sheerani, who is also an MNA of JUI-F, said the government had been suggested to amend the marriage laws as, according to him, Shariat has clearly defined the provisions of up to four marriages for men. He claimed that these provisions were easy to understand and follow.

    The CII had held a meeting over the topic of marriage laws in the country in October last year in which Maulana Sherani said that women could not raise objection over the second or subsequent marriages of their husbands.

    In another previous meeting of the CII, Maulana Sherani had said that the minimum age of a girl for marriage could be as young as 13 years provided she attains puberty.

    He said the parliament was bound to follow the suggestions made by the CII regarding formulation of laws.

    All bills presented in the parliament should be vetted by the CII as according to the Constitution all laws of the country should be formulated in accordance with the Holy Quran and Sunnah, he added.

    Published in Dawn March 25th , 2015


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  • Halal cheating made easier..
     Reply #10 - April 06, 2015, 12:48 AM

    It's very important not to judge individual Muslims by whatever it is that you personally consider to be the 'majority', 'real' or 'true' Islam. Not only is that a matter of dispute, it inevitably leads to generalising about Muslims themselves.

    I'd rather judge each person according to what they believe.

    If Amina Wadud wants to interpret it her way, why deny her that right?

    Religion has always been a matter of human interpretation.


    Because Muslims are not all the same and do not all believe the same thing. Most married Muslims I know expect a monogamous marriage. In some cases a pre nuptual agreement is made.

     Afro

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Halal cheating made easier..
     Reply #11 - April 06, 2015, 06:52 AM

    Quote
    It's very important not to judge individual Muslims by whatever it is that you personally consider to be the 'majority', 'real' or 'true' Islam. Not only is that a matter of dispute, it inevitably leads to generalising about Muslims themselves.

    I'd rather judge each person according to what they believe.

    If Amina Wadud wants to interpret it her way, why deny her that right?

    Religion has always been a matter of human interpretation.


    * Most muslims won't murder blasphemers either..
    * Most mulsims won't marry 6 years old either..

    Just like:
    * Most Shias don't do Mutah, but most of the Shia males would try to *defend* it..

    So the issue is not whether muslims overall are culturally like the Arabs of 7th/8th Century AD, but the issue is how permissive they are to these anachronistic laws and practices?  To me Islam *should* be judged by what Muslims do when they *don't* have liberal/secular pressures on them trying coarse-correct them.

    After all like when Muslims in Pakistan got together in 1973 and declared Ahmedis apostates, don't we hold that decision against them?
  • Halal cheating made easier..
     Reply #12 - April 06, 2015, 08:13 AM

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    After all like when Muslims in Pakistan got together in 1973 and declared Ahmedis apostates, don't we hold that decision against them?


    I didn't know that my family members in Pakistan did that! They must be really powerful people!

    Let's fight the war against the real culprits - not our ordinary brother and sister who may happen to be Muslim - but the Elite who try to enforce a stringent and barbaric ideology under the guise of having the authority to do so.

    Equip the commoner not with insults and pity but with knowledge and wisdom!

    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Halal cheating made easier..
     Reply #13 - April 06, 2015, 09:31 AM

    Takbeer!
  • Halal cheating made easier..
     Reply #14 - April 06, 2015, 10:21 AM

    I didn't know that my family members in Pakistan did that! They must be really powerful people!

    Let's fight the war against the real culprits - not our ordinary brother and sister who may happen to be Muslim - but the Elite who try to enforce a stringent and barbaric ideology under the guise of having the authority to do so.

    Equip the commoner not with insults and pity but with knowledge and wisdom!

    but jedi, how do you suppose the "elites" got that power in the first place? It works like this. The ulama class say: "apostates must be killed, adulterers must be stoned, lgbts must be killed, drinkers must be lashed, and anyone who says otherwise is an infidel". Then the commoner class goes: "the ulama are right! Kill the apostates, adulterers, lgbt, etc! Why aren't the rulers doing this? Are they kuffar?" Now the ruling class is put under pressure to follow suit. If they don't, then there are the "troo muslims" that are just waiting to take over the helm.

    I am seeing this in front of my very own eyes. I would say that the ulamas have 80-90 percent of support from the muslim populace for their views on enforcing full sharia, hudud included.

    and i'm not talking about "plebian" masses either. I'm talking about middle class, uni educated, well traveled muslims. It's just really disheartening living in muslim countries. You're just shocked on how seemingly normal people want to others to be killed for holding different beliefs.

    just for curiosity, NeoApostate, me being a noob and all, I'm not that familiar with your posts. Do you come from a western country or a muslim one?

    "we stand firm calling to allah all the time,
    we let them know - bang! bang! - coz it's dawah time!"
  • Halal cheating made easier..
     Reply #15 - April 06, 2015, 10:42 AM

    Quote
    and i'm not talking about "plebian" masses either. I'm talking about middle class, uni educated, well traveled muslims. It's just really disheartening living in muslim countries. You're just shocked on how seemingly normal people want to others to be killed for holding different beliefs.


    I completely agree. Those conducting honour killings are ordinary muslim men and women...that's a fact no one can disagree with but that's nothing to do with Islam just as those that kill apostates for balsphemy are ordinary muslim men and women who are lving in a country were such violent and backwards practices are allowed. Context is everything The more people are educated the better it is for them. Also, there are other underlying issues such as the lack of good governane, the influence of the Ulema (who are always going to be super strict) and the lack of law enforcement results in these tragedies. There are factors that feed intot his culture in which some Muslims can commit murder and justify even though it goes against their religion (in the case of honour killings) or worship at graves etc.

    I agree with you but I'd attack the cultural mentality that a literalist Islamic ideology enforces which is routinely manipulated and implemented by the elite (Ulema and politicians working hand in hand) rather than the ordinary misguided 'masses' and let's be honest how many of those Muslims were really protesting or if you pan the camera out you see people getting on with their lives?

    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Halal cheating made easier..
     Reply #16 - April 06, 2015, 11:20 AM

    Does anyone know if Council of Islamic Ideology has an official role(whether its part of the government or not)? They have been making barbaric pronouncements for years.
  • Halal cheating made easier..
     Reply #17 - April 06, 2015, 12:05 PM


    Hello NeoApostate . greetings and my  good wishes to you. the link in your post says
    Quote
    Wife’s consent not needed for man’s second marriage: Pakistan body........The Council of Islamic Ideology, known as CII...

    I have written about that  fucking  Council of Islamic Ideology, known as CII... Sorry .. no no.. let me change the name.. to  Fucking Council of Islamic IDIOTS.... I have  often written about these baboons in this forum..

    Irrational  Idiots are back in the news from Land of Pure
    baboons of Islam says Wife’s consent unnecessary for another marriage..

    We must insult Those ROGUES OF ISLAM that preach this Islamism or Islamic supremacist ideology  at every chance we get and  every one must have freedom to question any of such supremacist ideology of any religion and their religious scriptures.   In fact I say no government should use the Tax payers to support these baboons .

    Now saying all that,   when we question and insult these baboons of Islamic  babboonology we must keep in my mind my good friend Jedi's two words and they are   "nuance and specificity.".   I mean we have to tailor the words and posts that are specific to these baboons of Islam.  I guess you are a former Muslim from India ( That I am saying from the link of your post) So I have to say this that a large% of Indian Muslims and Muslims in west are way different from Muslims of Pakistan.  

    Anyways let me re-read Jedi's words again..
    Quote
    ....We can do this with almost every culture, religion etc that's out there. I think it's time to be sensible and not dilute this issue because racism is a very serious isssue and I'm not saying that you're doing it. But there are people who use culture and nationality to think they are better than others. Some Saudi's hate Pakistanis and Bangladeshi's and treat them like crap. The good old British empire thought they were culturally superior to others and they despised African culture as having bought nothing of worth to the people, despite having abandoned all race-based theories. Racism is a broader issue than race. To look at a definition and apply it to one's own life and say 'well I have no problem here' or 'I hate so-and-so and I'm not racist' isn't really representative of the experiences of the great sea of humanity out there nor were such definitions created out of a historical and social context. it gets complicated but that's why, as I stated previously, it requires nuance and specificity....


    and Jedi  " May the force be with you" and my good wishes to both of you..

    yeezevee

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Halal cheating made easier..
     Reply #18 - April 06, 2015, 12:28 PM

    ^Thanks for the kind words as usual, yeez!

    I am not from India (my parents were). I was born in the land of pure, and grew up under the shadow of Islamism. I have practically given up on Pakistan after witnessing the acceleration of her descent into madness during my numerous visits there. Here's a sample:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FP8zlEud3Bw

    As you can see, this is an example of a 'halal murder', since a High court judge ruled that killing an Ahmedi accused of blasphemy "wasn't even a crime".

    Btw. I squarely blame the people of Pakistan (read Punjab) for allowing this madness to grow out of hand. It's just too shocking to realize how such a liberal populace turned into these vicious animals.
  • Halal cheating made easier..
     Reply #19 - April 06, 2015, 12:36 PM

    ^Thanks for the kind words as usual, yeez!

    I am not from India (my parents were). I was born in the land of pure, and grew up under the shadow of Islamism. I have practically given up on Pakistan after witnessing the acceleration of her descent into madness during my numerous visits there. .,...........

    sorry about that,  I misjudged from your link NeoApostate .. well my grand parents(specifically grand father)  did a mistake and your parents might have made an error in judgement in where to live .. well those times were like that.

    But I must say here we must not judge Muslim folks around the globe from the words and actions of  "Council of Islamic Idiots of Pakistan"  and we must NOT judge the Muslims folks what is there in Quran, hadith and sunnah. at the same time  we must reserve the rights to criticize any religious supremacist ideology of any religion including Islam.   

    with best wishes
    yeezevee

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
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