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Re: Definition Of Brainwashed
Reply #30 - May 05, 2009, 05:06 PM

Quote from: osmanthus on May 05, 2009, 10:41 AM
No. That would include all atheists.

Really?

Hmmm, I'm finding it difficult now to distinguish between Agnostic and Atheist.

I regard myself as Agnostic because I'm not 100% that God exists and I'm not 100% sure that God does not exist.

There was one definition of Agnosticism which I heard of but I disregarded it cuz I thought it overcomplicated Agnosticism. That was that Agnosticism is the belief that God's existence can never be known. I thought the definition of Agnosticism that it is a belief where someone says that they do not currently know if God exists or not, was a simpler definition and adopted that instead. But I'm not so sure now. I guess I would fit into both definitions, though, but it would be on technicalities because strictly I don't believe we can "know" anything, but I believe we can get a good idea of certain things, including the existence of God.

But if atheism is NOT the belief where you know 100% that God does not exist, then what is the threshhold percentage of sureness you have reach before you can classify yourself as atheist? 80%? 90%? (rhetorical question)

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Re: Definition Of Brainwashed
Reply #31 - May 05, 2009, 07:40 PM

As an agnostic, i am not sure if there is such thing as a threshold percentage, although some like to think its 50:50 for an agnostic, although I dont accept that.

Also I am yet to understand what the definition of God, or deity is. As I accept that it is possible for a non-religious God to exist, as well as one that can influence our lives. I also accept that it is entirely possible for it not to be true, as i am yet to find any signs of his existance, and I believe he would have shown them.

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Re: Definition Of Brainwashed
Reply #32 - May 05, 2009, 09:35 PM

My advice is to not get too hung up on the definitions. Call yourself whatever you like as long as it is reasonably accurate, then go into more detail if anyone asks. They'll probably decide to call you something else and you can't stop them.

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Re: Definition Of Brainwashed
Reply #33 - May 06, 2009, 01:08 PM

Do students get brainwashed in schools and collages?

Government's National Curriculum.

Is education not brainwashing kids?

Think about it.

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Reply #34 - May 06, 2009, 01:12 PM

There is a difference between education and propaganda.

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Reply #35 - May 06, 2009, 01:18 PM

Quote from: Cheetah on May 06, 2009, 01:12 PM
There is a difference between education and propaganda.

So if we get taught in history that babylonians were evil and Romans were good, is that education or propaganda?

To Americans, the Japanese were evil in WW2.
To the poor Japs, U.S. is most evil nation on earth for dropping nukes on Hiroshima.

One man's evil is another man's hero.

No?

Its all relative.

The position you take will decide your view.

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Re: Definition Of Brainwashed
Reply #36 - May 06, 2009, 01:21 PM

I don't know of any school that teaches pupils the Babylonians were evil and the Romans good, or the Japs evil, etc etc. All of those things would be propaganda, which is why, of course, they are not on the National Curriculum.

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Re: Definition Of Brainwashed
Reply #37 - May 06, 2009, 08:45 PM

Quote from: rayback on May 06, 2009, 01:18 PM
Quote from: Cheetah on May 06, 2009, 01:12 PM
There is a difference between education and propaganda.

So if we get taught in history that babylonians were evil and Romans were good, is that education or propaganda?

To Americans, the Japanese were evil in WW2.
To the poor Japs, U.S. is most evil nation on earth for dropping nukes on Hiroshima.

One man's evil is another man's hero.

No?

Its all relative.

The position you take will decide your view.

You might have assumed you were being taught that the Babylonians were evil and Romans were good, but really you just read that into it. It wouldn't be strictly professional for you to be taught that a particular side in history was "good" and the other "evil".

However, from a young age, you are taught things like manners and ettiquette. It's called discipline, which I think is important. But I can see how discipline could be seen as brainwashing, yet I find myself completely against brainwashing. I think about it alot. I'll tell you if I come up with anything.

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Re: Definition Of Brainwashed
Reply #38 - May 06, 2009, 09:48 PM

Quote from: J4m3z on May 06, 2009, 08:45 PM
Quote from: rayback on May 06, 2009, 01:18 PM
Quote from: Cheetah on May 06, 2009, 01:12 PM
There is a difference between education and propaganda.

So if we get taught in history that babylonians were evil and Romans were good, is that education or propaganda?

To Americans, the Japanese were evil in WW2.
To the poor Japs, U.S. is most evil nation on earth for dropping nukes on Hiroshima.

One man's evil is another man's hero.

No?

Its all relative.

The position you take will decide your view.

You might have assumed you were being taught that the Babylonians were evil and Romans were good, but really you just read that into it. It wouldn't be strictly professional for you to be taught that a particular side in history was "good" and the other "evil".

However, from a young age, you are taught things like manners and ettiquette. It's called discipline, which I think is important. But I can see how discipline could be seen as brainwashing, yet I find myself completely against brainwashing. I think about it alot. I'll tell you if I come up with anything.

nationalism brainwashing?

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Re: Definition Of Brainwashed
Reply #39 - May 06, 2009, 10:34 PM

Quote from: kope on May 06, 2009, 09:48 PM
Quote from: J4m3z on May 06, 2009, 08:45 PM
Quote from: rayback on May 06, 2009, 01:18 PM
Quote from: Cheetah on May 06, 2009, 01:12 PM
There is a difference between education and propaganda.

So if we get taught in history that babylonians were evil and Romans were good, is that education or propaganda?

To Americans, the Japanese were evil in WW2.
To the poor Japs, U.S. is most evil nation on earth for dropping nukes on Hiroshima.

One man's evil is another man's hero.

No?

Its all relative.

The position you take will decide your view.

You might have assumed you were being taught that the Babylonians were evil and Romans were good, but really you just read that into it. It wouldn't be strictly professional for you to be taught that a particular side in history was "good" and the other "evil".

However, from a young age, you are taught things like manners and ettiquette. It's called discipline, which I think is important. But I can see how discipline could be seen as brainwashing, yet I find myself completely against brainwashing. I think about it alot. I'll tell you if I come up with anything.

nationalism brainwashing?

If people are taught to be nationalistic and not to question it, then I think that is brainwashing, yes.

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Re: Definition Of Brainwashed
Reply #40 - May 06, 2009, 10:38 PM

Quote from: rayback on May 06, 2009, 01:18 PM
Quote from: Cheetah on May 06, 2009, 01:12 PM
There is a difference between education and propaganda.

So if we get taught in history that babylonians were evil and Romans were good, is that education or propaganda?

To Americans, the Japanese were evil in WW2.
To the poor Japs, U.S. is most evil nation on earth for dropping nukes on Hiroshima.

One man's evil is another man's hero.

No?

Its all relative.

The position you take will decide your view.

But noun of those assertions are objectifiable.
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