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Re: Gaza Petition
Reply #30 - January 20, 2009, 04:38 AM

I have a problem with people thinking the holocaust was caused by gas chambers and fire furnace. The bulk of the death that happened in camps, happened from exposure and starvation, not from gas or fire or even bullets.

You send prisoners to a camp, and then not send enough food and let the winter take care of the rest. The vast majority of the dead were starved to death, they were not gassed, the vast majority were skinny. Gassing did not cause 'skinny', starvation did.

Now we have an entire generation of twits who believe that, as long as they are not building gas chambers or putting live people in furnaces, then they are not committing a holocaust.

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Re: Gaza Petition
Reply #31 - January 20, 2009, 05:09 AM

Quote from: heartbomb on January 18, 2009, 08:27 AM
Quote from: awais on January 18, 2009, 06:43 AM
Evil fucks.

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http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article10195.shtml

Reserve Colonel Yoav Gal, an Israeli Air Force pilot, told Army Radio during "Operation Cast Lead" (11 January 2009):

"I believe that it should have been even stronger! Dresden! Dresden! The extermination of a city! After all, we're told that the face of war has changed. No longer is it the advancing of tanks or an organized military. [...] It is a whole nation, from the old lady to the child, this is the military. It is a nation fighting a war. I am calling them a nation, even though I don't see them as one. It is a nation fighting a nation. Civilians fighting civilians. I'm telling you that we [...] must know [...] that stones will not be thrown at us! I am not talking about rockets -- not even a stone will be thrown at us. Because we're Jews.[...] I want the Arabs of Gaza to flee to Egypt. This is what I want. I want to destroy the city, not necessarily the people living within it."

Except he's..sorry they...are destroying the people....

Im quite balanced on the whole palestinian-israel issue and I have no patience for Hamas supporters however this latest war seems to have deeply affected a number of my friends who really are about as Muslim as berberella.

We had a discussion last saturday and unanimously they all supported Hamas in this. Again these are people who couldnt care less about Islam, at best they are cultural Muslims.

I shudder to think of the effect on the average Muslim, this will remembered and used as justification for a long time to come.

"By the One in Whose Hand my soul is, were you not to commit sins, Allah would replace you with a people who would commit sins and then seek forgiveness from Allah; and Allah would forgive them." [Saheeh Muslim]

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Reply #32 - January 20, 2009, 06:30 AM

I do not think it matters if this is used as a justification. The opinions of people are very much polarized on the israeli-palestinian issue. If the suicide bombing and the destruction of hope that Hamas implemented on the Palestinians did not cause a person to scream for justice against Hamas, nothing else will and as such, there opinion on the whole matter is not needed.

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Re: Gaza Petition
Reply #33 - January 20, 2009, 06:38 AM

Quote from: Baal on January 20, 2009, 06:30 AM
I do not think it matters if this is used as a justification. The opinions of people are very much polarized on the israeli-palestinian issue. If the suicide bombing and the destruction of hope that Hamas implemented on the Palestinians did not cause a person to scream for justice against Hamas, nothing else will and as such, there opinion on the whole matter is not needed.

I don't think that anyone, at least in Israel,

believe it or not,want's to hurt anyone.

We just want to live alone.

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Reply #34 - January 20, 2009, 06:53 AM

Quote from: Baal on January 20, 2009, 06:30 AM
I do not think it matters if this is used as a justification. The opinions of people are very much polarized on the israeli-palestinian issue. If the suicide bombing and the destruction of hope that Hamas implemented on the Palestinians did not cause a person to scream for justice against Hamas, nothing else will and as such, there opinion on the whole matter is not needed.

perhaps. but the people I talked to were on the whole supportive of Israel before this all started. Even in cyberspace, looking at the different forums, moderates are completely sidelined.

bottom line, next suicide bombing, a lot more people might say "so what? look what they did in Gaza"

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Reply #35 - January 20, 2009, 09:36 AM

Unfortunately I think you may be right there. It's daft to support one bunch of dangerous idiots (Hamas) just because some other bunch (Israel) decides to behave like dangerous idiots.

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Re: Gaza Petition
Reply #36 - January 20, 2009, 02:31 PM

Quote from: Arab-Wannabe on January 20, 2009, 06:53 AM
Quote from: Baal on January 20, 2009, 06:30 AM
I do not think it matters if this is used as a justification. The opinions of people are very much polarized on the israeli-palestinian issue. If the suicide bombing and the destruction of hope that Hamas implemented on the Palestinians did not cause a person to scream for justice against Hamas, nothing else will and as such, there opinion on the whole matter is not needed.

perhaps. but the people I talked to were on the whole supportive of Israel before this all started. Even in cyberspace, looking at the different forums, moderates are completely sidelined.

bottom line, next suicide bombing, a lot more people might say "so what? look what they did in Gaza"

My suggestion whenever faced with 'moderates' who on the whole state they were 'supportive' of israel, to search through the past forums, and see if they ever really showed any sign of support.

"Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
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Reply #37 - January 20, 2009, 04:17 PM

Quote from: Baal on January 20, 2009, 02:31 PM
Quote from: Arab-Wannabe on January 20, 2009, 06:53 AM
Quote from: Baal on January 20, 2009, 06:30 AM
I do not think it matters if this is used as a justification. The opinions of people are very much polarized on the israeli-palestinian issue. If the suicide bombing and the destruction of hope that Hamas implemented on the Palestinians did not cause a person to scream for justice against Hamas, nothing else will and as such, there opinion on the whole matter is not needed.

perhaps. but the people I talked to were on the whole supportive of Israel before this all started. Even in cyberspace, looking at the different forums, moderates are completely sidelined.

bottom line, next suicide bombing, a lot more people might say "so what? look what they did in Gaza"

My suggestion whenever faced with 'moderates' who on the whole state they were 'supportive' of israel, to search through the past forums, and see if they ever really showed any sign of support.

And then what? what if you find out that one or two "moderates" who aren't lying or practicing taqqiya (although you would think they would be prepared for a simple forum search if they were true masters of taqqiya) actually exist?

In any case, I was referring to people I TALK to, who to the best of my recollection were generally supportive of Israel against Hamas (but not against the Palestinians).

Just to be clear, I wasnt referring to myself as a "moderate"

"By the One in Whose Hand my soul is, were you not to commit sins, Allah would replace you with a people who would commit sins and then seek forgiveness from Allah; and Allah would forgive them." [Saheeh Muslim]

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Reply #38 - January 22, 2009, 08:40 AM

Quote from: Arab-Wannabe on January 20, 2009, 04:17 PM
Quote from: Baal on January 20, 2009, 02:31 PM
Quote from: Arab-Wannabe on January 20, 2009, 06:53 AM
Quote from: Baal on January 20, 2009, 06:30 AM
I do not think it matters if this is used as a justification. The opinions of people are very much polarized on the israeli-palestinian issue. If the suicide bombing and the destruction of hope that Hamas implemented on the Palestinians did not cause a person to scream for justice against Hamas, nothing else will and as such, there opinion on the whole matter is not needed.

perhaps. but the people I talked to were on the whole supportive of Israel before this all started. Even in cyberspace, looking at the different forums, moderates are completely sidelined.

bottom line, next suicide bombing, a lot more people might say "so what? look what they did in Gaza"

My suggestion whenever faced with 'moderates' who on the whole state they were 'supportive' of israel, to search through the past forums, and see if they ever really showed any sign of support.

And then what? what if you find out that one or two "moderates" who aren't lying or practicing taqqiya (although you would think they would be prepared for a simple forum search if they were true masters of taqqiya) actually exist?

In any case, I was referring to people I TALK to, who to the best of my recollection were generally supportive of Israel against Hamas (but not against the Palestinians).

Just to be clear, I wasnt referring to myself as a "moderate"

And I am telling you that on the issue of israel people are too polarized. There is too few true moderates on the issue. Just because they claim they were moderates does not make them so. This is not a matter of taqqiya. Most people truly believe they are moderate and reasonable, until you prove to them they are not.

Look at their past threads, and see what they wrote, and you will find if they really are moderates or not.

"Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
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Re: Gaza Petition
Reply #39 - January 22, 2009, 08:51 AM

Quote from: Baal on January 22, 2009, 08:40 AM
Quote from: Arab-Wannabe on January 20, 2009, 04:17 PM
Quote from: Baal on January 20, 2009, 02:31 PM
Quote from: Arab-Wannabe on January 20, 2009, 06:53 AM
Quote from: Baal on January 20, 2009, 06:30 AM
I do not think it matters if this is used as a justification. The opinions of people are very much polarized on the israeli-palestinian issue. If the suicide bombing and the destruction of hope that Hamas implemented on the Palestinians did not cause a person to scream for justice against Hamas, nothing else will and as such, there opinion on the whole matter is not needed.

perhaps. but the people I talked to were on the whole supportive of Israel before this all started. Even in cyberspace, looking at the different forums, moderates are completely sidelined.

bottom line, next suicide bombing, a lot more people might say "so what? look what they did in Gaza"

My suggestion whenever faced with 'moderates' who on the whole state they were 'supportive' of israel, to search through the past forums, and see if they ever really showed any sign of support.

And then what? what if you find out that one or two "moderates" who aren't lying or practicing taqqiya (although you would think they would be prepared for a simple forum search if they were true masters of taqqiya) actually exist?

In any case, I was referring to people I TALK to, who to the best of my recollection were generally supportive of Israel against Hamas (but not against the Palestinians).

Just to be clear, I wasnt referring to myself as a "moderate"

And I am telling you that on the issue of israel people are too polarized. There is too few true moderates on the issue. Just because they claim they were moderates does not make them so. This is not a matter of taqqiya. Most people truly believe they are moderate and reasonable, until you prove to them they are not.

Look at their past threads, and see what they wrote, and you will find if they really are moderates or not.

Fine, give me some examples then, what kind of statements would make someone a moderate and vice-versa?

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Reply #40 - January 22, 2009, 10:40 AM

You honor me too much. I said it before, you are the king of the blame game. As far as this game is concerned, I am only a student. You possess all the skills needed to go through what people said in the past and get into their head to know if they truly mean what they said.

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Reply #41 - January 22, 2009, 11:52 AM

Quote from: Baal on January 22, 2009, 10:40 AM
You honor me too much. I said it before, you are the king of the blame game. As far as this game is concerned, I am only a student. You possess all the skills needed to go through what people said in the past and get into their head to know if they truly mean what they said.

Correction, I am the Emir of the blame game.

Now, how would YOU define a moderate attitude towards Israel?

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Reply #42 - January 22, 2009, 04:59 PM

Quote from: Arab-Wannabe on January 22, 2009, 11:52 AM
Quote from: Baal on January 22, 2009, 10:40 AM
You honor me too much. I said it before, you are the king of the blame game. As far as this game is concerned, I am only a student. You possess all the skills needed to go through what people said in the past and get into their head to know if they truly mean what they said.

Correction, I am the Emir of the blame game.

Now, how would YOU define a moderate attitude towards Israel?

Someone who ultimately wants israel to continue to exist.
Someone who will acknowledge what will happen to the israeli if they are under the rule of islamic laws.
For bonus points: Someone who acknowledge what will happen in a democratic israel under an islamic majority.
Someone who acknowledges that the hamas constitution has nothing to do with the palestinians well-being.
Someone who knows that palestine and the arab states are new, and also that this was not just an empty land as some radical jews claim.
Someone who acknowledges that there is jews who continued to live in israel over the last 2000yrs.
Someone who acknowledges that a lot of Arabs migrated into israel during the First 50yrs of the 20th century.
For bonus points: That as the Arabs moved into the new land, they attempted to dislocate existing Christian & Jewish Arabs (And some islamic family who owned large lands), supported by other Arab states.
Someone who knows that it is was Palestinians, Fatah and now Hamas who are refusing a two-state solution.
Someone who acknowledges that the Arabs killed the most palestinians. And with the Arab it was army attacks directly against civilians.

You know, the usual.

I did not broach yet the issue of suicide bombs or rockets or militarization of palestinian youth.

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