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  • Fritzl may be out in 7 1/2 years!
     OP - March 16, 2009, 10:51 AM
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/mar/16/josef-fritzl-cellar-austria-trial
    He's admitted to rape but he's denying the murder charge.

    The maximum sentence will be 15 years if he gets away with murder and 7 1/2 years if he's a 'good boy'. That is taking the piss! That's less than what Elizabeth had to suffer through! With or without murder what he did should merit life imprisonment! finmad

    Apparently the slavery charge is not appropriate! WTF? He used his daughter as a sex slave! The bastard deserves to be forcefully sodomised till he dies in prison!
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  • Re: Fritzl may be out in 7 1/2 years!
     Reply #1 - March 16, 2009, 11:02 AM
    Quote from: PeruvianSkies on March 16, 2009, 10:51 AM
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/mar/16/josef-fritzl-cellar-austria-trial
    He's admitted to rape but he's denying the murder charge.

    The maximum sentence will be 15 years if he gets away with murder and 7 1/2 years if he's a 'good boy'. That is taking the piss! That's less than what Elizabeth had to suffer through! With or without murder what he did should merit life imprisonment! finmad

    Apparently the slavery charge is not appropriate! WTF? He used his daughter as a sex slave! The bastard deserves to be forcefully sodomised till he dies in prison!


    The prosecution always try to get the charge that sticks, otherwise they lose the case and the guy walks away scot-free. Enslavement is very difficult to go for considering the technical definition of the term, he could probably wriggle his way out of "enslavement" because of old legal definitions (it's not exactly a hotly contested legal issues and so the law probably goes back centuries).

    THe murder charge is probably their best chance given the facts of the case, plus a rape or serial rape charge would get him out in less than 7 years.

    Don't worry though, he's not exactly going to a local jail cell, he will suffer terribly at the hands of those inside the prison where he's going and will either be dead (close to it at least) or meentally broken by the time he comes out-if he's still alive at his 80th birthday, which isn't a common occurence in a prison.

    He will get his just deserts, not as much as I'd like, but even if he's let out with 7 1/2 years, it won't be an easy ride.
    "I am ready to make my confession. I ask for no forgiveness father, for I have not sinned. I have only done what I needed to do to survive. I did not ask for the life that I was given, but it was given nonetheless-and with it, I did my best"
  • Re: Fritzl may be out in 7 1/2 years!
     Reply #2 - March 16, 2009, 11:09 AM
    Yeah I just realised the public will treat him like crap when he eventually leaves prison. There wont be much of an escape for him when he comes out.
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  • Re: Fritzl may be out in 7 1/2 years!
     Reply #3 - March 16, 2009, 12:01 PM
    Quote from: PeruvianSkies on March 16, 2009, 11:09 AM
    Yeah I just realised the public will treat him like crap when he eventually leaves prison. There wont be much of an escape for him when he comes out.


    I'm not sure about the laws over there, but in the UK they give them new identities so the public can't make their life hell, they also keep them in a seperate place in prison, away from the regular cons so that they are safe in jail too.  All in all it's not enough.

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  • Re: Fritzl may be out in 7 1/2 years!
     Reply #4 - March 16, 2009, 12:16 PM
    Quote from: BerberElla on March 16, 2009, 12:01 PM
    Quote from: PeruvianSkies on March 16, 2009, 11:09 AM
    Yeah I just realised the public will treat him like crap when he eventually leaves prison. There wont be much of an escape for him when he comes out.


    I'm not sure about the laws over there, but in the UK they give them new identities so the public can't make their life hell, they also keep them in a seperate place in prison, away from the regular cons so that they are safe in jail too.  All in all it's not enough.

    Everyone knows what he looks like though. Wouldn't it be easy to find him? Or are they going to give him a makeover when he gets out?
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  • Re: Fritzl may be out in 7 1/2 years!
     Reply #5 - March 16, 2009, 12:25 PM
    Quote from: PeruvianSkies on March 16, 2009, 12:16 PM

    Everyone knows what he looks like though. Wouldn't it be easy to find him? Or are they going to give him a makeover when he gets out?


    Not everyone knows what he looks like, I may have seen the pic, but I wouldn't remember what he looks like and you're talking a good few years into the future, which means even more people will forget what he looks like.
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  • Re: Fritzl may be out in 7 1/2 years!
     Reply #6 - March 16, 2009, 12:46 PM
    Good point. I don't understand why what he did would only merit so few years.
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  • Re: Fritzl may be out in 7 1/2 years!
     Reply #7 - March 16, 2009, 12:49 PM
    Quote from: PeruvianSkies on March 16, 2009, 12:46 PM
    Good point. I don't understand why what he did would only merit so few years.



    Neither do I, and yet it's not so uncommon, rapists, pedos, they all get minor sentences.
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  • Re: Fritzl may be out in 7 1/2 years!
     Reply #8 - March 16, 2009, 02:55 PM
    Quote from: BerberElla on March 16, 2009, 12:01 PM
    Quote from: PeruvianSkies on March 16, 2009, 11:09 AM
    Yeah I just realised the public will treat him like crap when he eventually leaves prison. There wont be much of an escape for him when he comes out.


    I'm not sure about the laws over there, but in the UK they give them new identities so the public can't make their life hell, they also keep them in a seperate place in prison, away from the regular cons so that they are safe in jail too.  All in all it's not enough.




    I thought that was only for underage criminals.
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  • Re: Fritzl may be out in 7 1/2 years!
     Reply #9 - March 16, 2009, 02:58 PM
    Quote from: Cheetah on March 16, 2009, 02:55 PM


    I thought that was only for underage criminals.


    Which part?  the new identities or the seperate wing in jail?
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  • Re: Fritzl may be out in 7 1/2 years!
     Reply #10 - March 16, 2009, 02:59 PM
    The new identity part, I thought that was only for people who had committed crimes when they were children.
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  • Re: Fritzl may be out in 7 1/2 years!
     Reply #11 - March 16, 2009, 03:05 PM
    Quote from: Cheetah on March 16, 2009, 02:59 PM
    The new identity part, I thought that was only for people who had committed crimes when they were children.


    Maxine carr wasn't underage and she got a new identity for the part she played covering up Ian Huntleys killings.
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  • Re: Fritzl may be out in 7 1/2 years!
     Reply #12 - March 16, 2009, 03:06 PM
    Quote from: BerberElla on March 16, 2009, 03:05 PM
    Quote from: Cheetah on March 16, 2009, 02:59 PM
    The new identity part, I thought that was only for people who had committed crimes when they were children.


    Maxine carr wasn't underage and she got a new identity for the part she played covering up Ian Huntleys killings.


    Did she??  That's totally out of order.  Hopefully Germany doesn't do the same.
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  • Re: Fritzl may be out in 7 1/2 years!
     Reply #13 - March 16, 2009, 03:07 PM
    Quote from: Cheetah on March 16, 2009, 03:06 PM


    Did she??  That's totally out of order.  Hopefully Germany doesn't do the same.


    Yep, she did.  It's ridiculous.  finmad

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  • Re: Fritzl may be out in 7 1/2 years!
     Reply #14 - March 16, 2009, 04:10 PM
    Quote from: Cheetah on March 16, 2009, 03:06 PM
    Quote from: BerberElla on March 16, 2009, 03:05 PM
    Quote from: Cheetah on March 16, 2009, 02:59 PM
    The new identity part, I thought that was only for people who had committed crimes when they were children.


    Maxine carr wasn't underage and she got a new identity for the part she played covering up Ian Huntleys killings.


    Did she??  That's totally out of order. 


    Why do you feel that it is wrong - do you not think she has served her term? 

    She was under Huntley's spell when she did all the crimes, and was shown to have a subnormal IQ.  She no longer seems to be a threat to society and after Huntley (and before) she is a different person. 

    How long do you want to go on punishing people for their crimes?  Do we never give people a chance to move on, and instead continually punish them?
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  • Re: Fritzl may be out in 7 1/2 years!
     Reply #15 - March 16, 2009, 05:44 PM
    That applies to any criminal who has served their sentence though, I don't see why they should all get new identities.  Still, I didn't know Carr had a subnormal IQ, maybe in that case they were right to treat her more like an under aged criminal than an adult.
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  • Re: Fritzl may be out in 7 1/2 years!
     Reply #16 - March 16, 2009, 05:49 PM
    Quote from: Cheetah on March 16, 2009, 05:44 PM
    That applies to any criminal who has served their sentence though, I don't see why they should all get new identities.  Still, I didn't know Carr had a subnormal IQ, maybe in that case they were right to treat her more like an under aged criminal than an adult.

    I dont think everyone gets new identities, just those that are in the public profile and are likely to get harassed or murdered upon release.
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  • Re: Fritzl may be out in 7 1/2 years!
     Reply #17 - March 18, 2009, 12:14 PM
    He's pleaded guilty to all charges. The Guardian reported the following from Elizabeth's testimony-

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    The indictment states: "He chained his daughter up, strapping up her arms and tying her hands behind her back with an iron chain, which he then secured to metal posts behind her bed. She could only move approximately half a metre either side of the bed."

    After two days he gave her more freedom of movement by attaching the chain around her waist. Then around six to nine months into her imprisonment, he "removed the metal chain", because "it was hindering his sexual activity with his daughter".

    He forced her to endure sexual abuse and rape at his hands sometimes several times a day, from the second day of her incarceration right up until her release last April. During the first nine months he kept her on a lead and "constantly covered her mouth and prevented her from breathing".

    He repeatedly threatened her with the statement: "If you do not do as I say, your treatment will get worse and you will not escape from the cellar anyway."

    The indictment states how he repeatedly beat and kicked her. He also subjected her to humiliating sexual abuse, including forcing her to reenact scenes in pornographic films with him as well as inserting objects into her in a violent manner. The abuse left her with serious lasting physical injuries and did huge damage to her mental state. The indictment details how she gave birth to seven children in the cellar without any medical help.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/mar/18/josef-fritzl-austria-trial

    Jesus Christ!! I don't even know what to say!
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  • Re: Fritzl may be out in 7 1/2 years!
     Reply #18 - March 18, 2009, 03:53 PM
    Quote from: PeruvianSkies on March 18, 2009, 12:14 PM
    He's pleaded guilty to all charges. The Guardian reported the following from Elizabeth's testimony-

    Quote
    The indictment states: "He chained his daughter up, strapping up her arms and tying her hands behind her back with an iron chain, which he then secured to metal posts behind her bed. She could only move approximately half a metre either side of the bed."

    After two days he gave her more freedom of movement by attaching the chain around her waist. Then around six to nine months into her imprisonment, he "removed the metal chain", because "it was hindering his sexual activity with his daughter".

    He forced her to endure sexual abuse and rape at his hands sometimes several times a day, from the second day of her incarceration right up until her release last April. During the first nine months he kept her on a lead and "constantly covered her mouth and prevented her from breathing".

    He repeatedly threatened her with the statement: "If you do not do as I say, your treatment will get worse and you will not escape from the cellar anyway."

    The indictment states how he repeatedly beat and kicked her. He also subjected her to humiliating sexual abuse, including forcing her to reenact scenes in pornographic films with him as well as inserting objects into her in a violent manner. The abuse left her with serious lasting physical injuries and did huge damage to her mental state. The indictment details how she gave birth to seven children in the cellar without any medical help.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/mar/18/josef-fritzl-austria-trial

    Jesus Christ!! I don't even know what to say!



    its sickening..


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  • Re: Fritzl may be out in 7 1/2 years!
     Reply #19 - March 18, 2009, 04:47 PM
    He's mentally ill I suppose, never had much of a life anyway and he never took pleasure from anything in that sad little life, his work was repetitive and dull, his family were demanding and he didn't really enjoy having a wife, he didn't have any friends (he even said that in court) and eventually his mediocre life got to him.
    "I am ready to make my confession. I ask for no forgiveness father, for I have not sinned. I have only done what I needed to do to survive. I did not ask for the life that I was given, but it was given nonetheless-and with it, I did my best"
  • Re: Fritzl may be out in 7 1/2 years!
     Reply #20 - March 18, 2009, 06:04 PM
    Also, since he's now pleaded guilty for all charges he's not leaving prison ever, even if he's a very good boy
    "I am ready to make my confession. I ask for no forgiveness father, for I have not sinned. I have only done what I needed to do to survive. I did not ask for the life that I was given, but it was given nonetheless-and with it, I did my best"
  • Re: Fritzl may be out in 7 1/2 years!
     Reply #21 - March 18, 2009, 06:13 PM
    Quote from: FinallyFree on March 18, 2009, 06:04 PM
    Also, since he's now pleaded guilty for all charges he's not leaving prison ever, even if he's a very good boy

    He will and a lot sooner than you might imagine, but in a coffin thanks to the other inmates,
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  • Re: Fritzl may be out in 7 1/2 years!
     Reply #22 - March 18, 2009, 07:21 PM
    He seems to have changed his plea after watching his daughter give video evidence.  His conscience belatedly woke up and began to work, so there must be something human left in him, but its hard to believe reading the reports of what he did.
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  • Re: Fritzl may be out in 7 1/2 years!
     Reply #23 - March 18, 2009, 07:31 PM
    Quote from: Cheetah on March 18, 2009, 07:21 PM
    He seems to have changed his plea after watching his daughter give video evidence.  His conscience belatedly woke up and began to work, so there must be something human left in him, but its hard to believe reading the reports of what he did.


    Or he decided that if he pleaded not guilty he didn't have a chance. Remember, the punishment is less if you plead guilty straight off.
    "I am ready to make my confession. I ask for no forgiveness father, for I have not sinned. I have only done what I needed to do to survive. I did not ask for the life that I was given, but it was given nonetheless-and with it, I did my best"
  • Re: Fritzl may be out in 7 1/2 years!
     Reply #24 - March 18, 2009, 07:42 PM
    Quote from: FinallyFree on March 18, 2009, 07:31 PM
    Quote from: Cheetah on March 18, 2009, 07:21 PM
    He seems to have changed his plea after watching his daughter give video evidence.  His conscience belatedly woke up and began to work, so there must be something human left in him, but its hard to believe reading the reports of what he did.


    Or he decided that if he pleaded not guilty he didn't have a chance. Remember, the punishment is less if you plead guilty straight off.


    See, that's the weird thing - if he'd pleaded not guilty to the murder and slavery charges they probly wouldn't have stuck, and he would have been out in 7and a half years, as it says in the OP. 

    But by holding his hands up to all three charges, he will get life.  He has increased his sentence by pleading guilty,  so it must have been conscience.  Odd that somebody so evil could have a shred have good left in them, but that seems to be the case.
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  • Re: Fritzl may be out in 7 1/2 years!
     Reply #25 - March 18, 2009, 07:47 PM
    Quote from: Cheetah on March 18, 2009, 07:42 PM
    Quote from: FinallyFree on March 18, 2009, 07:31 PM
    Quote from: Cheetah on March 18, 2009, 07:21 PM
    He seems to have changed his plea after watching his daughter give video evidence.  His conscience belatedly woke up and began to work, so there must be something human left in him, but its hard to believe reading the reports of what he did.


    Or he decided that if he pleaded not guilty he didn't have a chance. Remember, the punishment is less if you plead guilty straight off.


    See, that's the weird thing - if he'd pleaded not guilty to the murder and slavery charges they probly wouldn't have stuck, and he would have been out in 7and a half years, as it says in the OP. 

    But by holding his hands up to all three charges, he will get life.  He has increased his sentence by pleading guilty,  so it must have been conscience.  Odd that somebody so evil could have a shred have good left in them, but that seems to be the case.


    That's the thing though, I find it hard to see this action as something indicative of a shred of goodness, probably because I don't see him as evil in the first place.

    The reason for that is it's impossible to apply the notion of good and evil to the mentally deranged in the first place, these notions are purely a result of human thought and reasoning, something which a mentally deranged person like Fritzl never had. While he may have lived "normally" IE on a daily routine, you can tell by his experiences that he was emotionally dead and this is a purely psychological issue. I don't think he did this out of evil.

    Anyway I see your reasoning and that would make sense, but I still can't see a shred of good against a canvas of evil when I believe the man is not capable of distinguishing between the two (by the way this doesn't mean I think he should be let off-he should live the rest of his life in a mental institution or in solitary confinement in prison).
    "I am ready to make my confession. I ask for no forgiveness father, for I have not sinned. I have only done what I needed to do to survive. I did not ask for the life that I was given, but it was given nonetheless-and with it, I did my best"
  • Re: Fritzl may be out in 7 1/2 years!
     Reply #26 - March 19, 2009, 09:19 AM
    I see it as a shred of guilt, it finally kicked in how much pain and suffering he caused her. Her life is ruined, that poor girl.
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