Request for a Video on the War of Succession

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Request for a Video on the War of Succession
OP - May 02, 2009, 06:36 AM

Hey guys,

Just wanted to ask if someone who is knowledgeable about this topic could make a video outlining the power struggle that ensued after Muhammad's death. I don't remember now if the Anthony Quinn movie "The Message" covered any of this historical material -- I saw it years ago when I was a kid -- but it might be cool to use some of the footage in that.

In any event, I think it would make a very good project, particularly given that traditionalists try to whitewash or romanticize these incidents ... Hassan, all eyes on you, since you've made some great videos in the past.
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Re: Request for a Video on the War of Succession
Reply #1 - May 02, 2009, 06:46 AM

I think the Message ended shortly after Mo died, with Abu Bakr's words, "Whoever worshipped Mo, Mo's dead, but Allah lives"

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Re: Request for a Video on the War of Succession
Reply #2 - May 02, 2009, 06:48 AM

Quote from: awais on May 02, 2009, 06:46 AM
I think the Message ended shortly after Mo died, with Abu Bakr's words, "Whoever worshipped Mo, Mo's dead, but Allah lives"

Pretty ironic given that the Sunnis went on to practically construct a cult of personality around Muhammad.
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Reply #3 - May 02, 2009, 12:07 PM

Yeah I don't think that movie addressed that part.

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Re: Request for a Video on the War of Succession
Reply #4 - May 02, 2009, 03:25 PM

I think such a thing would be great, actually. The nature of Prophecy is much better understood when considered with respect to the immediate aftermath. Of course, as those of you who have been talking to me probably can guess, I'm keen on the parallels between that division and the bloody divisions that followed the other prophets of the Judaism, and why these archetypes reemerge. But never mind, even a negative video would be better than silence!

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Re: Request for a Video on the War of Succession
Reply #5 - May 02, 2009, 03:51 PM

Quote from: The tailor on May 02, 2009, 03:25 PM
I'm keen on the parallels between that division and the bloody divisions that followed the other prophets of the Judaism, and why these archetypes reemerge.

"You would tread the same path as was trodden by those before you inch by inch and step by step so much so that if they had entered into the hole of the lizard, you would follow them in this also." "Do you mean Jews and Christians?" "Who else?"

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Re: Request for a Video on the War of Succession
Reply #6 - May 02, 2009, 05:14 PM

Quote from: ned on May 02, 2009, 06:36 AM
Hey guys,

Just wanted to ask if someone who is knowledgeable about this topic could make a video outlining the power struggle that ensued after Muhammad's death. I don't remember now if the Anthony Quinn movie "The Message" covered any of this historical material -- I saw it years ago when I was a kid -- but it might be cool to use some of the footage in that.

In any event, I think it would make a very good project, particularly given that traditionalists try to whitewash or romanticize these incidents ... Hassan, all eyes on you, since you've made some great videos in the past.

lol... sounds like a great idea Ned. I generally stick to Qur'an/Muhammad, but perhaps it's time to branch out - I'll give it some thought
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Re: Request for a Video on the War of Succession
Reply #7 - May 02, 2009, 05:16 PM

Quote from: awais on May 02, 2009, 06:46 AM
I think the Message ended shortly after Mo died, with Abu Bakr's words, "Whoever worshipped Mo, Mo's dead, but Allah lives"

"Man kana ya'budi Muhammadan fa inna Muhammadan Qad Maat - wa man kan ya'budu Allah, fa inna Allah Hayyun la yamoot!"

Fucking great line - still sends shivers down my spine!
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Re: Request for a Video on the War of Succession
Reply #8 - May 03, 2009, 12:41 AM

Aye. Unfortunately it wasn't true (about allah living, that is).

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Re: Request for a Video on the War of Succession
Reply #9 - May 03, 2009, 07:39 AM

Quote from: Pazuzu on May 03, 2009, 12:41 AM
Aye. Unfortunately it wasn't true (about allah living, that is).

True, and who knows if Abu Bakr really did stand up and suddenly address all the grieving Muslims and say that or whether it is a nice story made up much later - but whatever the case, it would have a made a dramatic scene in a movie
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Reply #10 - May 05, 2009, 04:40 PM

they would have censored Abu Bakr the same way South Park censored Muhammad if the scene was done

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Re: Request for a Video on the War of Succession
Reply #11 - May 05, 2009, 06:55 PM

Ok, maybe I imagined that scene, it was just narrated .

English version:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZQPndddK1g

Arabic version:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RO6ybCCDKjU

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