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 Topic: PC Gone Mad! Calls for Red Cross to be Axed over Links to Crusades!

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  • PC Gone Mad! Calls for Red Cross to be Axed over Links to Crusades!
     OP - June 12, 2009, 11:26 AM

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1192153/Calls-Red-Cross-symbol-axed-links-Crusades.html

    A Labour minister has sparked controversy by claiming that an alternative symbol is needed for the Red Cross because of the logo's supposed links to the Crusades.
    Foreign Office minister Chris Bryant said that the historic emblem risked undermining the work of the humanitarian organisation.
    His intervention came as MPs debated the adoption of the 'red crystal' - a diamond-shaped badge - to avoid the religious connotations of the cross and crescent symbols currently used by the international body.
     
    Cross, crescent and crystal: The Red Crystal could be used to protect medical and other relief workers in combat where the Red Cross or Red Crescent are inappropriate
    But critics said the new insignia was a sop to political correctness and warned that it may be the first step towards it replacing cross and crescent. Others fear that it may not be as widely recognised on the battlefield.
    'It is, in an effort not to be contentious, possibly too anodyne to serve its purpose,' Tory MP John Hayes said.
    Philip Davies, a Tory backbencher, said: 'At face value to the layman it seems at best a solution looking for a problem and at worst another example of extreme political correctness.
    'No one has ever suggested to me that the Red Cross refers to the Crusades.'
    Shadow Foreign Office minister David Lidington said that use of the crystal over the cross by the British military should 'be the exception rather than be allowed to become the norm'.
    Tory Oliver Heald said the Red Cross symbol was widely recognised and counselled caution that 'we are careful not to undermine that'.
    'There is also a risk of confusion with many different symbols, and that terrorists may exploit that to mask themselves when carrying out attacks,' he added.
    The founding Conference of the Red Cross Movement in 1863 adopted a red cross on a white background ? the reverse of the Swiss flag ? as the emblem of the voluntary medical personnel who assisted the wounded on the battlefield.
    It was never intended to have any religious meaning and is thought to have been intended as a tribute to traditionally neutral Switzerland, which hosted the conference.
    However, the symbol unintentionally raised suggestions that it was somehow linked to the Hospitallers, a military order which took part in the Crusades, the centuries long series of military campaigns waged by Christians from Europe.
    Subsequently, a red crescent emblem was adopted in tandem.
    Mr Bryant told the Commons: 'The reference to the Crusades is... not lost to some people which, of course, anybody involved in the Red Cross would wholly deprecate.
    'The truth of the matter is that it has been difficult in some places for us to ensure that these connotations of a religious war or a religious crusade don't undermine the work that the Red Cross or Red Crescent is able to do.'
    The International Red Cross and Red Crescent Movement hope that the neutrality of the red crystal will help improve protection for casualties, military medical services and humanitarian workers.
    It was chosen because it is devoid of religious and other partisan connotations.
    A treaty which established the red crystal as an additional protective symbol became part of international law in 2006.
    It will now receive the same status in UK law as the red cross and red crescent under the Geneva Conventions and United Nations Personnel (Protocols) Bill passed today.
    The impartial movement is the world's largest humanitarian network made up of almost 97million volunteers, supporters, and staff in 186 countries.
    Leigh Daynes, spokesman for the British Red Cross, said: 'The British Red Cross strongly supports acceptance of the Red Crystal emblem.
    It would give another option for the protection of humanitarian workers, as well as for the medical services of the armed forces, in situations where use of the Red Cross or Red Crescent emblems might be misunderstood.
    'In these circumstances, the Red Crystal would make our workers and the medical services of the armed forces safer. The British Red Cross will continue to use the Red Cross emblem, which, after more than a century, has served us well.'


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  • Re: PC Gone Mad! Calls for Red Cross to be Axed over Links to Crusades!
     Reply #1 - June 12, 2009, 11:49 AM

    One of my Christian friends actually used the Red Cross being a symbol of Christianity argument against me...
  • Re: PC Gone Mad! Calls for Red Cross to be Axed over Links to Crusades!
     Reply #2 - June 12, 2009, 12:01 PM

    In what way did he use it against you? 

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  • Re: PC Gone Mad! Calls for Red Cross to be Axed over Links to Crusades!
     Reply #3 - June 12, 2009, 12:54 PM

    we have now reached the bottom of the barrel for frivalous issues.

    We can sink no lower! We have plenty of other important issues such as poverty, death, disease, our economy, the enviroment and others to deal with. why in hells name would you want to fuck around with this?


    I hear what you're saying. You're spinning my head around.
  • Re: PC Gone Mad! Calls for Red Cross to be Axed over Links to Crusades!
     Reply #4 - June 12, 2009, 02:18 PM

    In what way did he use it against you? 


    We were having a debate about charities that are run under secularism and he claimed that big humanitarian aids groups like the Red Cross run under Christianity and the Red Crescent was the Muslim version.

    we have now reached the bottom of the barrel for frivalous issues.

    We can sink no lower! We have plenty of other important issues such as poverty, death, disease, our economy, the enviroment and others to deal with. why in hells name would you want to fuck around with this?




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  • Re: PC Gone Mad! Calls for Red Cross to be Axed over Links to Crusades!
     Reply #5 - June 12, 2009, 02:40 PM

    We were having a debate about charities that are run under secularism and he claimed that big humanitarian aids groups like the Red Cross run under Christianity and the Red Crescent was the Muslim version.

    Every time you discuss a 'frivalous issue' god kills a kitten.

     Roll Eyes


    Chillax

    I wasnt refering to you and your friends discussion, instead i was talking about the public "servant" who gathers a 60K+ salary and 120k+ "expenses" on account of the taxpayer.

    He should be sorting other things out

    you and your mate can talk about dog penises for all it matters.

    I hear what you're saying. You're spinning my head around.
  • Re: PC Gone Mad! Calls for Red Cross to be Axed over Links to Crusades!
     Reply #6 - June 12, 2009, 06:14 PM

    I actually don't disagree with the suggested innovation, provided that both the Red Crescent and the Red Cross are eliminated as symbols.

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  • Re: PC Gone Mad! Calls for Red Cross to be Axed over Links to Crusades!
     Reply #7 - June 13, 2009, 09:44 PM

    I hate it when history and political correctness get mixed up.
  • Re: PC Gone Mad! Calls for Red Cross to be Axed over Links to Crusades!
     Reply #8 - June 14, 2009, 04:51 PM

    The red cross symbol is only very indirectly connected with Christianity. The red cross was started by a Swiss, and in his honour a reverse form of the Swiss flag (a white cross on a red ground) was adopted. See this

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Cross

    Swiss flag: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_flag

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  • Re: PC Gone Mad! Calls for Red Cross to be Axed over Links to Crusades!
     Reply #9 - June 15, 2009, 03:02 PM

    I am gonna start a new intolerant religion, using the crystal as symbol.
    So they are all screwed!

    MWAHAHAHAhahahaha

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  • Re: PC Gone Mad! Calls for Red Cross to be Axed over Links to Crusades!
     Reply #10 - June 15, 2009, 07:14 PM

    we have now reached the bottom of the barrel for frivalous issues.

    We can sink no lower! We have plenty of other important issues such as poverty, death, disease, our economy, the enviroment and others to deal with. why in hells name would you want to fuck around with this?

    Just because you want to see the cross from the red cross removed as expediently as possible, that does not make it a frivolous issue.

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