Skip navigation
Sidebar -

Advanced search options →

Welcome

Welcome to CEMB forum.
Please login or register. Did you miss your activation email?

Donations

Help keep the Forum going!
Click on Kitty to donate:

Kitty is lost

Recent Posts


Qur'anic studies today
by zeca
Today at 07:58 AM

Dutch elections
by zeca
Yesterday at 10:11 PM

Random Islamic History Po...
by zeca
Yesterday at 08:46 PM

Lights on the way
by akay
Yesterday at 06:36 AM

اضواء على الطريق ....... ...
by akay
November 13, 2024, 05:18 PM

AMRIKAAA Land of Free .....
November 07, 2024, 09:56 AM

Do humans have needed kno...
November 04, 2024, 03:51 AM

The origins of Judaism
by zeca
November 02, 2024, 12:56 PM

New Britain
October 30, 2024, 08:34 PM

Marcion and the introduct...
by zeca
October 22, 2024, 09:05 PM

Tariq Ramadan Accused of ...
September 11, 2024, 01:37 PM

France Muslims were in d...
September 05, 2024, 03:21 PM

Theme Changer

 Topic: Deen = Putting up a show?

 (Read 4871 times)
  • 1« Previous thread | Next thread »
  • Deen = Putting up a show?
     OP - August 09, 2009, 06:23 AM

    Over the past few days, I have been in a bit of a trouble with regards to family over my intense criticism of religion whenever someone asks me about it or comments on something ridiculous enough to earn my vocal chords launching rockets at religion (including, but not limited to, Islam). piggy

    Some of my younger cousins are quite open minded, liberal, secular types yet whilst one completely rejects religious practices (whilst still believing in a God/Allah) some are not religious at all yet still tend to react strongly about (or simply nod their heads and tell their parents afterwards Roll Eyes ).

    The problem arises that people here in Pakistani society dont tell someone straight up to shut it, but instead tell one's parents afterwards and basically complain and bitch and moan  wacko

    So my mom has been the target of such complaints by aunts and uncles not having the gall to say that into my face, and given my mom gets easily swayed and intimidated (she is a sweet caring yet gullible woman) she rebuked me for causing our family shame because of my rants and nonsense etc etc etc  Roll Eyes

    "I am your mother, no matter if our deen is wrong, you will follow it because I do and so does the rest of your family!"

    "Dont make your own family into a circus show for others to point fingers at, and dont make my afterlife into hell"

    "Read namaz and stop this foolishness" "Stop talking about religion and stop being a kafir" "You do what I say"

    Naturally, given because of lack of work I am living with family and sharing a family house with another relative family whilst our house is (finally) undergoing completion within the next few months, and the fact my mom's pestering really really annoys me. I decided "Yeah, I'll read namaz and fast etc". I didnt have much of a choice, since I know how many backstabbers and mudslingers live in my extended family.

    How ? Well its simple. My mom also said something like "Show the people that you have mended your ways and seek forgiveness from Allah for being such a bad person"  Snap out of it

    So essentially I was told to put up a show for some idiot aunts and uncles so that they can leave my mom alone and stop bitching to her about not having the gall to confront me directly with their own ignorance over religious bullshit.  grin12

    Putting up a show = Deen ?  gutterbrain Believe that crap

    So I did my first Atheistic Namaz/Salah 2 days back by combining the Zuhr and Asr prayers (Shias have it easy since we can combine our prayers for Zuhr-Asr and Maghrib-Isha  bunny). This was my first proper Namaz (after Wudhu of course) in 6 months, and I couldnt help but have a sarcastic grin on my face when I did my own personal 'prayer' (read 'taunt') at the end saying "Ya Allah! Do what you want to do. I am least bothered with your incompetence and your fraud!"  bullshit

    How long with this show continue ? I dont know. Maybe till the time I get the opportunity to finally leave home and preferably work outside of Pakistan at which point I'll probably say to my mom "My work here is done, you wont be ridiculed again, and I have no further interest in observing mindless religious nonsense. Keep the faith ammi, I dont need it."

    But when will that day come, I dont know  Cry

    Pakistan Zindabad? ya Pakistan sey Zinda bhaag?

    Long Live Pakistan? Or run with your lives from Pakistan?
  • Re: Deen = Putting up a show?
     Reply #1 - August 09, 2009, 07:23 AM

    It had been a quite frustrating few days for me I must admit, but I have to thank my 19 year old cousin who calmed me down in mentioning that people love to talk for, and how parents often are influenced by other relatives and essentially face a lot of stick for something their kids do no matter how old they are.

    He essentially told me to just relax, dont take this personally, live your life quietly, but be considerate enough not to cause parents any more trouble whilst you are living with them in a hypocritical society like Pakistan's.

    Pakistan Zindabad? ya Pakistan sey Zinda bhaag?

    Long Live Pakistan? Or run with your lives from Pakistan?
  • Re: Deen = Putting up a show?
     Reply #2 - August 09, 2009, 07:33 AM

    If you don't mind me asking, how old are you?

    I know exactly how you feel. My parents are the same.  My brother is 31 this year and still doesn't want to get married, but my relatives are making a big deal out of it and influencing my parents to pressure him into getting married. Not a good idea.

     far away hug I hope they don't get to you too much....I know how frustrating it can be.
  • Re: Deen = Putting up a show?
     Reply #3 - August 09, 2009, 08:01 AM

    I'm 23 Smiley

    Well I am okay with putting on a Deen show but that will immediately cease as soon as I leave home after getting a proper job of course. But for the moment, I can only tag along since I am living at home.  whistling2

    As far as marriage goes, lol, most of my family members got married in the late 20s (both men and women) or even early 30s, so I dont have to worry about that aspect for many years for now.  dance But I will do so eventually.

    Pakistan Zindabad? ya Pakistan sey Zinda bhaag?

    Long Live Pakistan? Or run with your lives from Pakistan?
  • Re: Deen = Putting up a show?
     Reply #4 - August 09, 2009, 08:19 AM

    I'm 23 Smiley

    Well I am okay with putting on a Deen show but that will immediately cease as soon as I leave home after getting a proper job of course. But for the moment, I can only tag along since I am living at home.  whistling2

    As far as marriage goes, lol, most of my family members got married in the late 20s (both men and women) or even early 30s, so I dont have to worry about that aspect for many years for now.  dance But I will do so eventually.


    Ah ok. See everytime I talk about moving out, there's a big hoo-haa about it because I'm a girl and shouldn't be living on my own, and whatnot.  Roll Eyes

    I can't stand putting on a deen, it frustrates me a lot :( That's why I'm so close to telling my parents about my apostasy.
  • Re: Deen = Putting up a show?
     Reply #5 - August 10, 2009, 07:51 AM

    Well, depending of what part of the world you live and how old you are...renouncing Islam is a sticky situation.

    Pakistan Zindabad? ya Pakistan sey Zinda bhaag?

    Long Live Pakistan? Or run with your lives from Pakistan?
  • Re: Deen = Putting up a show?
     Reply #6 - August 10, 2009, 12:07 PM


    "Dont make your own family into a circus show for others to point fingers at, and dont make my afterlife into hell"


    I get a similar quote from my missus and I live in the west! It simply shows how long we have to go before these things are not even an issue anymore.
  • Re: Deen = Putting up a show?
     Reply #7 - August 10, 2009, 12:29 PM

    Quote from: atheist.pk
    So essentially I was told to put up a show for some idiot aunts and uncles so that they can leave my mom alone and stop bitching to her about not having the gall to confront me directly with their own ignorance over religious bullshit. 

    Putting up a show = Deen ?   

    So I did my first Atheistic Namaz/Salah 2 days back by combining the Zuhr and Asr prayers (Shias have it easy since we can combine our prayers for Zuhr-Asr and Maghrib-Isha  ). This was my first proper Namaz (after Wudhu of course) in 6 months

    That must be awful situation, I remember going through something similar myself.  Just bide your time until you move out and are financially and socially independent, in the meantime my best wishes go out to you.  far away hug

    My Book     news002       
    My Blog  pccoffee
  • Re: Deen = Putting up a show?
     Reply #8 - August 10, 2009, 09:11 PM

    You have my utmost sympathy. I remember my cousin in Pakistan was shocked because I did not know how to do wudhu. I had not done it for about 15 years, and never really cared to learn it. Although I still considered myself muslim until 2004, I never really bothered to do namaz/salah, and hence never bothered to learn how to do wudhu.

    He took me to Friday's prayer at my mother's insistence. I said she knew I do not read namaz, but then he was quick to respond "don't say that, thats how kufr is born" (yeah I'm so worried about that). So there we were at the entrance at the mosque, and apparently it was not good enough to just having taken a shower, god demands you to do a ritual washing, otherwise you are not clean enough to be in his presence.

    In any case he was shocked, and its probably something he delightfully shared with others. I could care less though. Rituals such as wudhu/salah are stupid anyway.
  • Re: Deen = Putting up a show?
     Reply #9 - August 10, 2009, 09:56 PM

    Ah ok. See everytime I talk about moving out, there's a big hoo-haa about it because I'm a girl and shouldn't be living on my own, and whatnot.  Roll Eyes

    I can't stand putting on a deen, it frustrates me a lot :( That's why I'm so close to telling my parents about my apostasy.

    You know the situation the best and I am just a fly on the wall as far as this subject goes but i do expect that it is easier for you to leave home as a non-apostate.

    "Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
  • Re: Deen = Putting up a show?
     Reply #10 - August 11, 2009, 06:14 AM

    I forgot doing Namaz yesterday  grin12

    Pakistan Zindabad? ya Pakistan sey Zinda bhaag?

    Long Live Pakistan? Or run with your lives from Pakistan?
  • Re: Deen = Putting up a show?
     Reply #11 - August 25, 2009, 05:39 PM

    Putting on a dean sucks. I came out to my parents recently and after endless emotional blackmail and bullying I had to finally give in and say I'll be a muslim again. Anyone with half a brain knows that I am just pretending, but the family feel it's better than calling myself a kafir Roll Eyes

    I might just not move back home after uni, I don't want to pretend for the rest of my life.
  • Re: Deen = Putting up a show?
     Reply #12 - August 25, 2009, 05:43 PM

    Quote
    I might just not move back home after uni, I don't want to pretend for the rest of my life.


    Peru, just one thing, how do your siblings feel about what has happened?
  • Re: Deen = Putting up a show?
     Reply #13 - August 25, 2009, 05:53 PM

    My siblings are sympathetic, they already knew I was an apostate, I told them months ago. None of them have turned their backs on me, not even the religious ones Smiley
  • Re: Deen = Putting up a show?
     Reply #14 - August 25, 2009, 05:59 PM

    Quote
    My siblings are sympathetic, they already knew I was an apostate, I told them months ago. None of them have turned their backs on me, not even the religious ones


    That's a good start. The ones who aren't religious do they agree with your points or are they just indifferent to them?
  • Re: Deen = Putting up a show?
     Reply #15 - August 25, 2009, 06:09 PM

    The problem arises that people here in Pakistani society dont tell someone straight up to shut it, but instead tell one's parents afterwards and basically complain and bitch and moan  wacko

    So my mom has been the target of such complaints by aunts and uncles not having the gall to say that into my face, and given my mom gets easily swayed and intimidated (she is a sweet caring yet gullible woman) she rebuked me for causing our family shame because of my rants and nonsense etc etc etc  Roll Eyes


    Ahh, i know all about that problem.
    I hate it as well. I learned long ago to never ever trust my cousins. They will run and tell as many people as they possibly can, its in their nature, they love to gossip and  spread lies.

    I've had to wear hijab before to put on a image so the family would back off my mom who they go to and whine and claim they see me on the street drunk and wearing short skirts .... (which i so do not do, well not the street anyway  whistling2)

    Blind faith is an ironic gift to return to the Creator of human intelligence

  • Re: Deen = Putting up a show?
     Reply #16 - August 25, 2009, 06:10 PM

    My siblings are sympathetic, they already knew I was an apostate, I told them months ago. None of them have turned their backs on me, not even the religious ones Smiley


    Good for you.

    I approached the topic by chance after we were discussing how much we hate ramadan with my elder sister and i was so surprised to find many of our views are so similar! She didn't seem shocked or anything, she just looked at me and nodded and said 'I know how you feel, i lost faith a long time ago'
    If i have her on my side, my Mom would back off  

    Blind faith is an ironic gift to return to the Creator of human intelligence

  • Re: Deen = Putting up a show?
     Reply #17 - August 25, 2009, 06:27 PM

    Meredith, you are very lucky to have another apostate in the family Smiley

    That's a good start. The ones who aren't religious do they agree with your points or are they just indifferent to them?

    They're mostly indifferent. My sister doesn't really care, she's a bit sceptical of religion but doesn't really care enough to pursue that scepticism any further. She isn't very academic tbh. She's fine with our culture though so it's probably easier for her to stay a muslim. She only dates muslim guys too.
  • Re: Deen = Putting up a show?
     Reply #18 - August 25, 2009, 06:33 PM

    Meredith, you are very lucky to have another apostate in the family Smiley


    I am beyond lucky, very relieved right now tbh.

    My sister is the only one in my family who has a undue amount of influence on my Mum.
    She will listen to her, she is the one that convinced them to let me go aboard and visit NY this year for college.

    Just sad she is only staying for a little bit before she goes back to her flat but she gave me the spare key and told me to come over whenver things get bad at home Smiley


    Blind faith is an ironic gift to return to the Creator of human intelligence

  • Re: Deen = Putting up a show?
     Reply #19 - August 25, 2009, 06:44 PM

    My mom always has this weird smile on her face when she asks me to read Quran during this Ramazan period, saying my sisters (both who have been critics of it as well) are reading the Quran as well. I somehow always manage to deflect, almost stepping short of saying "Mom, I am fasting and reading (most) of the Namaz daily. Can we just leave at THAT now?"  Roll Eyes

    Pakistan Zindabad? ya Pakistan sey Zinda bhaag?

    Long Live Pakistan? Or run with your lives from Pakistan?
  • Re: Deen = Putting up a show?
     Reply #20 - August 25, 2009, 07:48 PM

    Nothing fortifies how fake and false a religion is than being forced to follow its rituals. It really seals the deal.  yes

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • 1« Previous thread | Next thread »