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Reply #90 - January 05, 2010, 12:04 PM

Quote from: Arab-Wannabe on January 04, 2010, 07:35 PM
If Islam has only succeeded in removing the fear of death from its all too human adherents, then it's succeeded beyond all measurements.

Islam did not only remove the fear of death, it did a lot of other things that are leading to a detrimental life here on earth. It is as if, there is this cursed book, that the more a society adopts, the worse off they become.

As for the fear of death, muslims are terrified of death. Compared to atheists who are often at peace with death, more interested in celebrating a person's life and achievements, the muslim is afraid of burning, so much so that they spend so much of their time on Earth jumping through stupid good-for-nothing rituals to try to soothe their fear and terror of death.

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Reply #91 - January 05, 2010, 12:06 PM

Quote from: Shaneequa on January 05, 2010, 01:16 AM
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Reply #92 - January 05, 2010, 12:09 PM

Quote from: Baal on January 05, 2010, 12:04 PM
Islam did not only remove the fear of death, it did a lot of other things that are leading to a detrimental life here on earth. It is as if, there is this cursed book, that the more a society adopts, the worse off they become.

As for the fear of death, muslims are terrified of death. Compared to atheists who are often at peace with death, more interested in celebrating a person's life and achievements, the muslim is afraid of burning, so much so that they spend so much of their time on Earth jumping through stupid good-for-nothing rituals to try to soothe their fear and terror of death.

I am not surprised Muslims fear death. We all know about Allahs torturous sado-masachistic tendencies in there. There faced with the eternal prospect of being whacked with metal hammers, and co-habiting with 6 headed snakes and flame-grilled skin.

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Reply #93 - January 05, 2010, 12:15 PM

As to who controls the mind, recently a study concluded where they wanted to discover the seat-of-the-soul so to speak. The conclusion was that every part of the body is involved in the thought process. To the point where, a person who loses a hand, will get to experience life less the next day. At least until he develops different skills to compensate.

A dog and a human, the main differentiating factor is the dog is incapable of deciphering cognitive information as well as a human. The dog however, through its strong sense of smell, gets to experience life in a way that we can only dream of.

The soul was not found or located, it is not in the hand that is lost, it is not in the dog's lost. Until we discover the soul or how it works, then I am afraid, the soul will remain insignificant to us. Insignificant because it has no effect. We can not detect it. What good is something that is not there,

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Reply #94 - January 05, 2010, 12:19 PM

Quote from: IsLame on January 05, 2010, 12:09 PM
I am not surprised Muslims fear death. We all know about Allahs torturous sado-masachistic tendencies in there. There faced with the eternal prospect of being whacked with metal hammers, and co-habiting with 6 headed snakes and flame-grilled skin.

And the torture of the grave, let's not forget the torture of the grave. I hope the muslims who will perform the islamic burial rituals on Arab-wanabe will remember to block his anus to prevent the snake from slithering in, before judgement day. Funny Arab-Wanabe will spend his life wanting to be an arab, and in the end the arab will shove a cork up his ass to thank him for his ignoble effort.

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Reply #95 - January 05, 2010, 12:24 PM

Quote from: Baal on January 05, 2010, 12:06 PM
Welcome Shanee, been a while. Yes a thought can be photographed. A few years ago we could not. Now we can and we still need more work to get better granularity/resolution, Why you ask?

Hi, Ba'al. How have you been?

I'm trying to respond to what Aa posted. He posted this:

Quote from: Aa on January 05, 2010, 12:35 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsPn5dXfTvA

This almost sounds like
"I cannot prove there is a god. Likewise, you cannot prove there is not a god."
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Reply #96 - January 05, 2010, 12:25 PM

Quote from: Shaneequa on January 04, 2010, 11:52 PM
I'm speaking as a former Agnostic/Atheist/universalist (depending on the day). It nothered me that there seemed to be no meaning to life. I know it didn't bother some people, but it bothered me.

If you can not define a meaning for your life, then believing in a god does not give your life meaning either. I can choose to spend my life collecting cigarettes butts. And that is not a lot of meaning for a life, but it sure beats wasting my life to slavishly worship some icon.

And if you want to fall back on the meaning of life to be a step to the after-life, then what is the meaning of the after-life?

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Reply #97 - January 05, 2010, 12:31 PM

Ba'al, I'm not an agnostic/atheist anymore. The statement about creating one's own meaning does not apply to me anymore.
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Reply #98 - January 05, 2010, 12:33 PM

That's not to say there are no longer career decisions and alot of variety from which to choose, I just no longer ask "Why are we here?" and "What is the purpose?".
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Reply #99 - January 05, 2010, 12:35 PM

According to my physics teacher back from when I were at school, living forever is impossible. Even if we were to halt aging and stop people from dying of old age, they would still eventually die after a few hundred years from background radiation.

But even halting aging seems entirely possibly. Aging occurs due to the continual shortening of telomeres at the end of each chromosome during cellular division. In order to prevent aging, you have to prevent the shortening of everysingle chromosome In your body ...

Oh please, do provide me with the science behind how this is possible :x.

Wow, I actually remembered what telomeres are off the top of my head o.O!!!

Genetics only served one purpose to me and that was to continuously destroy my brain and make me feel stupid.

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Reply #100 - January 05, 2010, 12:41 PM

Quote from: Shaneequa on January 05, 2010, 12:24 PM
Hi, Ba'al. How have you been?

I'm trying to respond to what Aa posted. He posted this:

Oh that, yes, proving god. You are the one drawing 'significance to your life' from that god. But then how dare you ask me to prove your negative? Do you realize how disrespectful that is? I will give it back to you, I want you to prove there is no big blue man behind my door here in Toronto. How is that for disrespect? How about we all go around disrespecting each other and asking everyone to do silly things. You can not ask people to prove a negative. Your god, your proof. If the effect of a god is "so unseen" and "so subtle", then god, is insignificant.

Insignificant means he/she/it does not matter. Useless to us.

As for you being an atheist/agnostic in the past. You alluded that you have done some bad things in the past. I am afraid doing bad things does not qualify you as an atheist. You did the bad things after you grew up with a Christian education and Christian values. You do not like some things you did? then please do not put it on the mantle of atheism, and be fair.

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Reply #101 - January 05, 2010, 12:43 PM

When we die, our body ceases it's operations....but we have what is called a soul...and it either goes to heaven or hell.
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Reply #102 - January 05, 2010, 12:49 PM

Quote from: Baal on January 05, 2010, 12:41 PM
Oh that, yes, proving god. You are the one drawing 'significance to your life' from that god. But then how dare you ask me to prove your negative? Do you realize how disrespectful that is? I will give it back to you, I want you to prove there is no big blue man behind my door here in Toronto. How is that for disrespect? How about we all go around disrespecting each other and asking everyone to do silly things. You can not ask people to prove a negative. Your god, your proof. If the effect of a god is "so unseen" and "so subtle", then god, is insignificant.

Insignificant means he/she/it does not matter. Useless to us.

As for you being an atheist/agnostic in the past. You alluded that you have done some bad things in the past. I am afraid doing bad things does not qualify you as an atheist. You did the bad things after you grew up with a Christian education and Christian values. You do not like some things you did? then please do not put it on the mantle of atheism, and be fair.

Ba'al, the original question is "Why even live?". I'm not asking anyone to prove there is not God.

And I don't know why you think I grew up with a Christian education. I did not. We've all done things in the past whether we are Christian or not. This is not unique to me.

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Reply #103 - January 05, 2010, 01:02 PM

Quote from: Cheetah on January 03, 2010, 04:13 PM
If you've only got one life that would be a reason not to commit suicide, you'd be throwing away the only existence you'll ever have.

Whose to say we only have this one? I might be laughed at for saying this but are there any good arguments disproving rebirth as the Hindus believe? I'm not saying that there is rebirth, mind you, but one should entertain all possibilities.

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Reply #104 - January 05, 2010, 01:04 PM

So now you want us to prove a negative? There is no evidence for anything beyond this life, therefore it would be stupid to count on ever having anything else.

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Reply #105 - January 05, 2010, 01:06 PM

Quote from: liberated on January 03, 2010, 04:23 PM
That's a very lame reason to live, at least for me.

There is no need to be an atheist. You can still be an agnostic if you feel that there is a chance that there is a deity of some sort. You ask a lot of questions, therefore why don't you take up a science subject like biology or physics and study it in great detail?

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Reply #106 - January 05, 2010, 01:07 PM

Quote from: Cheetah on January 05, 2010, 01:04 PM
So now you want us to prove a negative? There is no evidence for anything beyond this life, therefore it would be stupid to count on ever having anything else.

No I was not asking you to prove a negative, I admit I had a poor choice of words there. I was simply wandering whether this subject has been debated before, and whether anyone had brought up any arguments suggesting the possibility

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Reply #107 - January 05, 2010, 01:16 PM

Do you want my answer today? Why do we live? To glorify God and to love him forever.
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Reply #108 - January 05, 2010, 01:25 PM

Quote from: Shaneequa on January 05, 2010, 01:16 PM
Do you want my answer today? Why do we live? To glorify God and to love him forever.

Good as any answer I suppose, as long as one doesn't do it by hurting others or restricting the private lives of others, I don't see why it is a bad thing if someone does it.

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Reply #109 - January 05, 2010, 02:49 PM

Quote from: Baal on January 05, 2010, 12:19 PM
And the torture of the grave, let's not forget the torture of the grave. I hope the muslims who will perform the islamic burial rituals on Arab-wanabe will remember to block his anus to prevent the snake from slithering in, before judgement day. Funny Arab-Wanabe will spend his life wanting to be an arab, and in the end the arab will shove a cork up his ass to thank him for his ignoble effort.

Now that's what I call, civil, well-reasoned discourse.

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