Is ruined city of Pompeii the ruined city of soddam?

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Is ruined city of Pompeii the ruined city of soddam?
OP - February 10, 2010, 04:51 AM

So I've heard on some Islamic sites that the ruined city of Pompeii Italy is the same as the city of soddom which was destroyed by big al? What's everyone's thoughts about this?
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Pompeii is a ruined and partially buried Roman town-city near modern Naples in the Italian region of Campania, in the territory of the comune of Pompei. Along with Herculaneum, its sister city, Pompeii was destroyed, and completely buried, during a long catastrophic eruption of the volcano Mount Vesuvius spanning two days in 79 AD.

The volcano collapsed higher roof-lines and buried Pompeii under 20 meters of ash and pumice, and it was lost for nearly 1,700 years before its accidental rediscovery in 1748. Since then, its excavation has provided an extraordinarily detailed insight into the life of a city at the height of the Roman Empire. Today, this UNESCO World Heritage Site is one of the most popular tourist attractions of Italy, with 2,571,725 visitors in 2007.[1]

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Reply #1 - February 10, 2010, 04:57 AM

On what basis would a Muslim claim such a thing? The story of Sodom and Gomorah are plagiarized from the Old Testament as is the story of Lot. And Lot was a descendant of Abraham, therefore an ancient Jew.. therefore those cities are somewhere in the middle east. Hence it cannot be Pompeii.

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Additionally, Mt Vesuvius erupted the 1st century AD.. Lot and the (obviously false) story of Sodom and Gomorah takes place probably no more than a 100 years after Abraham.. which puts the two events (one imaginary, the other real) more than 1000 years apart.

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Reply #2 - February 10, 2010, 07:05 AM

Quote from: Iblis on February 10, 2010, 04:57 AM
On what basis would a Muslim claim such a thing? The story of Sodom and Gomorah are plagiarized from the Old Testament as is the story of Lot. And Lot was a descendant of Abraham, therefore an ancient Jew.. therefore those cities are somewhere in the middle east. Hence it cannot be Pompeii.

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Additionally, Mt Vesuvius erupted the 1st century AD.. Lot and the (obviously false) story of Sodom and Gomorah takes place probably no more than a 100 years after Abraham.. which puts the two events (one imaginary, the other real) more than 1000 years apart.

Does it say anywhere in the quran etc that lot was a descendant of abraham?
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Reply #3 - February 10, 2010, 07:33 AM

Dude no offence. But have you even read the Quran?
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Reply #4 - February 10, 2010, 07:38 AM

Quote from: Iblis on February 10, 2010, 04:57 AM
On what basis would a Muslim claim such a thing? The story of Sodom and Gomorah are plagiarized from the Old Testament as is the story of Lot. And Lot was a descendant of Abraham, therefore an ancient Jew.. therefore those cities are somewhere in the middle east. Hence it cannot be Pompeii.

From the times I've heard about it back in the old muslim days, it's the preserved bodies in ash and the fact that evidence of soddom was supposed to be left forever as a warning. I;ve been given pamplets before that show the preserved body and make that connection.

Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
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Reply #5 - February 10, 2010, 07:39 AM

lol I thought about this once as a muslim but it seemed stupid, and I couldn't place it in history, you mean to tell me Lot was around Pompeii? Fucking moronic.
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Reply #6 - February 10, 2010, 08:15 AM

Of course, Lut was NOT a descendent of Abraham!! He was probably his cousin... anyway, he was Abraham's contemprary and left his hometown with Abraham... they eventually settled in different towns... (of course, he had nothing to do with Pompeii ... this is the first time I hear this!)

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Reply #7 - February 10, 2010, 08:29 AM

BTW, those Muslim Clowns who claim that Pompeii was Lut's town are exposed by the Quran itself... according to Quran the town of Lut was not far from the town of Shu'aib which was Madian. Hud: 84-89

Oh, and the angels before they visited Lut, they visited Abraham and told him his wife would bear a child (Isaac) and then told him what God's going to do with Lut's town. Hud: 70-76.

Of course Madian is also the place Moses, many years later, fled to after he killed the Egyptian. Ta-ha: 40.

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Reply #8 - February 10, 2010, 08:45 AM

More verses, exposing the lie:

Spider: 26 says Lut was among those who believed in Abraham's message.

Prophets: 71 says that LUT AND Abraham immigated to the SAME land... (the *blessed* land, which in other places in the Quran referred to the Levant -- Israel was promised the blessed land).

Case closed... of course, not to mention the HUGE time gap between Pompeii and Lut.

I thought Muslims were only in the business of stealing Modern Scientific knowledge and claiming it to the Quran (the so-called "scientific" Miracles).... I didn't know they got into the business of stealing history too.

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Reply #9 - February 10, 2010, 08:49 AM

Welcome to the world of Dawahganda.
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Reply #10 - February 10, 2010, 08:51 AM

@ liberated

could you please show me links to such sites linking Lut to Pompeii?

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Reply #11 - February 10, 2010, 08:52 AM

Quote from: BlackDog on February 10, 2010, 07:39 AM
lol I thought about this once as a muslim but it seemed stupid, and I couldn't place it in history, you mean to tell me Lot was around Pompeii? Fucking moronic.

I just saw this! Did you really hear this before? I mean was it like a common thing among Muslims you knew?

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Reply #12 - February 10, 2010, 09:02 AM

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From the times I've heard about it back in the old muslim days, it's the preserved bodies in ash and the fact that evidence of soddom was supposed to be left forever as a warning. I;ve been given pamplets before that show the preserved body and make that connection.

You too heard this before?! And where in the Quran it says the ruins of Lut's town would be there forever as a warning?

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Reply #13 - February 10, 2010, 02:32 PM

Thanks Debunker. There aren't any actual sites claiming its lot, just documentaries on youtube and a person sent me a whole lot of verses from the quran and claimed they're related to pompeii, want me to post them here?

P.S what are your religious beliefs now debunker? You're debunking an islamic claim?
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Reply #14 - February 10, 2010, 03:27 PM

Quote from: debunker on February 10, 2010, 08:15 AM
Of course, Lut was NOT a descendent of Abraham!! He was probably his cousin... anyway, he was Abraham's contemprary and left his hometown with Abraham... they eventually settled in different towns... (of course, he had nothing to do with Pompeii ... this is the first time I hear this!)

Okay, my bad. I knew his had a direct related to Abraham. At least that's what the bible says. But you're right, whatever Lot is, according to the Bible (the legit source for this story!) Lot is a contemporary of Abraham. That means there's no way in hell that story is about Pompeii.

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Does it say anywhere in the quran etc that lot was a descendant of abraham?

See above. One way or another, Lot lived in the same era as Abraham.

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Reply #15 - February 11, 2010, 03:55 PM

Quote from: liberated on February 10, 2010, 02:32 PM
Thanks Debunker. There aren't any actual sites claiming its lot, just documentaries on youtube and a person sent me a whole lot of verses from the quran and claimed they're related to pompeii, want me to post them here?

No I don't need the verses... send the idiot the verses I shown you... clearly, according to Quran Lut was Abraham's contemporary... he was one of Abraham's countrymen and they both immigrated to the SAME blessed land, the Levant, which was close to Median... All of this is in the Quran.

Lot cannot be Abraham's son because his first son was Ishmael, the second Isaac... Abraham had his children in the blessed land... and lot existed before their immigration to the blessed land.

Anyway, it'd be nice if you can post one or two youtube movies linking Lot to Pompeii.

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P.S what are your religious beliefs now debunker? You're debunking an islamic claim?

This has nothing to do with Islam... the Quran did not link Pompeii to Lot... the Quran refutes these lies.

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Reply #16 - February 11, 2010, 03:59 PM

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Okay, my bad. I knew his had a direct related to Abraham. At least that's what the bible says. But you're right, whatever Lot is, according to the Bible (the legit source for this story!) Lot is a contemporary of Abraham. That means there's no way in hell that story is about Pompeii.

The best way to refute Islamic propaganda is using Quran itself... you shut'em up immediately...

Anyway, according to Quran Lot was one of Abraham's countrymen and they both immigrated togeather.... this means Lot cannot be Abraham's son as Abraham had his children after the immigration.

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