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Muhammad + 4 Caliphs
OP - March 19, 2010, 08:06 PM

If, according to the Salafis, the time when Islamic law was practiced perfectly was Muhammad + 4 "Rightly Guided Caliphs" . That means that " pure Islam" was practiced for 51 years?

So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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Re: Muhammad + 4 Caliphs
Reply #1 - March 19, 2010, 09:42 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salafi

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In Islamic terminology, it is generally used to refer to the first three generations of Muslims: the Sahabah ("The Companions"), the Tabi‘in ("The Followers") and the Taba‘ at-Tabi‘in ("Those after the Followers")

I guess that would technically span more than 51 years?

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Reply #2 - March 19, 2010, 09:50 PM

Quote from: deusvult on March 19, 2010, 08:06 PM
If, according to the Salafis, the time when Islamic law was practiced perfectly was Muhammad + 4 "Rightly Guided Caliphs" . That means that " pure Islam" was practiced for 51 years?

and?

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Reply #3 - March 20, 2010, 06:55 AM

No, the "salaf" period which all orthodox muslims agree upon is the first three generations. So, that includes the Prophet and the Sahabah, the Tabi-een and the Tabi-tabi-een. There is an agreement that they are the generation known as the salaf. The reason why the salafi keep talking about this generation and look at them in awe, is because they are under the impression that Islam started to become diluted after that third generation. So the salafi's are not very fond of people like, Al Ghazali, Rumi, As-Sayuti, Qurtubi, Ibn Rushd etc. That's all it is.
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Reply #4 - March 20, 2010, 07:06 AM

cool. Thanks guys.

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Reply #5 - March 20, 2010, 07:13 AM

Quote from: deusvult on March 20, 2010, 07:06 AM
cool. Thanks guys.

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Reply #6 - March 20, 2010, 07:21 AM

o.O' Salafis aren't fond of Suyuti and Qurtubi? I've seen otherwise... The Noble Qur'an (hilali/khan), their favourite English translation is said to quote from Qurtubi (and Tabari). They make a number of exceptions for shuyookh (sheikhs) who were fit of the label 'salafi', Qurtubi, Tabari, Suyuti, and most def. Ibn Taymiyya and his students Ibn Kathir and Ibn al Qayyim, etc.

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Reply #7 - March 20, 2010, 07:32 AM

Quote from: awais on March 20, 2010, 07:21 AM
o.O' Salafis aren't fond of Suyuti and Qurtubi? I've seen otherwise... The Noble Qur'an (hilali/khan), their favourite English translation is said to quote from Qurtubi (and Tabari). They make a number of exceptions for shuyookh (sheikhs) who were fit of the label 'salafi', Qurtubi, Tabari, Suyuti, and most def. Ibn Taymiyya and his students Ibn Kathir and Ibn al Qayyim, etc.

This was the very thing that made it slightly incoherent. Firstly, it hearkening back to the first three generation and saying they got it right, but then with the same stroke making these exceptions. What made medieval vibrant was it's difference of opinion, which is the reason why you had the four schools as well as many other. Though, those four schools were exclusively sunni islam. ;-)
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Re: Muhammad + 4 Caliphs
Reply #8 - March 20, 2010, 09:42 AM

How can you claim that everything was hunky dorey in the first three generations when you look at everything that was going on at that time?! Wars of apostasy, umar and uthman assasinated, factional warfare etc. The list goes on! Salafis are dumbasses!

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