TheRationalizer had this discussion with a muslim guy on my video
Quran Mistakes - Is Iblis a Jinn or Angel?.
He debunked him beautifully and its quite funny.. so I had to share.
ayasalman No God is telling who bowed down and who did not. He (God) is saying that all the angels bowed down and the only one that didn't bow down was Iblis (satan). That doesn't prove that the Qur'an was calling him an angel cuz Iblis was placed among the angels meaning he was at the same level of the angels as it does explain that in the Qur'an as well cuz of his piousness and devoutness to God, so God wanted to test him by comdanding everybody to bow down.
TheRationalizer @ayasalman I have some questions about the Jinn and Angels.
1: If Jinn are made of fire, what is their fuel source?
2: Fire exists only where it fuel exists, so how do the Jinn move around?
3: How are Jinn able to talk, fire cannot compress air in order to force it through vocal chords in order to vibrate.
TheRationalizer (cont)
Angels:
1: If they are made at light, how are they able to stand still seeing as light always travels at the speed of light?
2: How are they able to talk (consider same points as #3 above but for light instead of fire.)
3: How was Gabriel able to grasp Muhammad if he is light?
4: If they are made of light rather than a substance that emits light, why do they not instantly disappear?
5: How do they change direction?
I look forward to being educated.
ayasalman God makes them a certain way and they are able to talk,etc. as God wishes them to.
3. Gabriel transformed into a man and that is how he revealed the revelations to Muhammad and the Prophets' before him.
Keep in mind the light of the angels is not the type of light we know today, its a different type of light unable to be explained by me, but possibly by scholars who are experts on this subject.
TheRationalizer >God wishes
So your answer is "magic"?
>Gabriel transformed into a man
Then why could nobody else see him? Also, if he then later turned back into light do you know how much energy that is?
The mass of a single human being converted into pure energy would cause the biggest explosion ever experience on Earth.
There are no experts on this subject, because it defies the laws of physics. It is illogical, and made up, and people laugh at you for believing it.
ayasalman No my answer is not magic. The ppl could see him (Gabriel) when he transformed into a man, when certain revelations where revealed in front of everybody. Its just most did not know it was Gabriel but the Prophet knew. Its not the type of light we know today. Its something our brain cant comprehend. You want to know more about this issue talk to an Islamic scholar who is an expert on this subject. Im not an expert. I hate science. No ppl dont laugh at me, they laugh at u.
ayasalman 1. God made the jinn of smokeless fire, so the jinn doesnt have to have a source of their fire.
2. Its not the type of fire we normally see everyday this is a different kind of fire made specially only for the jinns.
3. Jinns are just like me and u they eat, talk, breath,etc. Its just as we humans are made from earth as even the bible mentions and water, its like saying how are we made and what keeps us humans going.
TheRationalizer 1: Bunsen burners create smokeless fire too, but they still need a source for the fire, all fire needs a fuel.
2: Ah, "magic" fire. This "magic" is handy when answering questions isn't it?
3: So they are fire based entities that look just like humans and eat/talk etc. Do you actually know what fire is?
ayasalman bunsen burners create some kind of smoke, so no fire on this earth except the jinns are smokeless. As I said before its not the type of fire we know today. IM tired of repeating myself. My answers is never magic. Do u actually know what a jinn is?
TheRationalizer They emit heat, but there is no visible smoke.
>Do you know what a Jinn is
Yes, a mythical creature that somebody invented, probably Muhammad.
You avoided my question, do you actually know what fire is? It is an important question.
ayasalman to u they may not have visible smoke, but in reality they do have smoke. See u do NOT know what a jinn is. I never avoided any questions, i just told u there is a difference between the fire we normally know of this world and the fire that makes the jinn
TheRationalizer Nope, I'm pretty sure butane is smokeless.
So, you are sticking with "magic fire" then? Fire that can talk, and can be tormented for all eternity by...putting it in fire? And that doesn't sound at all silly to you?
Also, if a 60KG man turned into pure energy it would have created the biggest explosion the Earth has ever witnessed. Is that "magic energy" as well?
There's a lot of "magic" going on here in order to explain why it defies the laws of physics, isn't there?
ayasalman I know what butane is, and that is not fire, that is a gas. Im tired of talking and explaining to u.
TheRationalizer Yeah, people usually get tired of explaining something they believe in which makes no sense.
Hydrogen, burns, produces water and not smoke. Is that "magic" fire too?
You still haven't explained anything at all!
How can fire compress air for speech?
How can it move?
How can it think?
How can it exist without a fuel?
How can it be cool to the touch and look exactly like a human?
How many have you met in person?
ayasalman No, im tired of explaining it to u, cuz ur so bluntly ignorant that u have no clue for urself even what "you" say. It makes absolutly sense, but i dont talk to atheists like u. I told u it has nothing to do with "magic" it has everything to do with God's Will and Power. And I told u and explained that the fire we know today is not the fire that the jinn's are made of, its a "special" kind of fire if u want to say it that way
TheRationalizer Magic: having or apparently having supernatural powers.
You are describing "magic fire" whether you like it or not.
And what about the angels being made of light, is that "magic light" too?
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