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 Topic: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"

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  • Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
     Reply #750 - June 10, 2010, 02:25 PM

    move to canada ribs

    its just like the UK, only white people here pretend to be nice.


    Dear Iblis says

    Move to UK Dear RIBS (nomnom i wonder if you have any ribs to SPARE lol) WHITE PEOPLE pretend to be nice

    Iblis white people are like brown people and purple people we pretend pretend all day like girls waiting for their prince charming (lol) but never come (maybe because of RIBS lol)

    now lets watch this video of my dear friend the baboon pretending to be nice

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxjL3CIs0xw
  • Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
     Reply #751 - June 10, 2010, 02:29 PM

     Cheesy

    Yeezevee style FTW!
  • Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
     Reply #752 - June 10, 2010, 02:31 PM

    BlackDog's post made easy with the Yeezeevee Template
  • Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
     Reply #753 - June 10, 2010, 02:32 PM

    Can you not afford to emigrate to a more sensible country?


    Do you really think they are very "sensible" any longer?  Our govt has decided to build a mosque on GROUND ZERO in NYC!!!!

    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
     Reply #754 - June 10, 2010, 02:35 PM

    Also, they have proclaimed that the words, "muslim" "terrorist" "extremists" are NOT to be used in ANY language in reference to terrorist acts against the USA.  WTH!!!!!  It is NOT politically correct!   finmad

    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
     Reply #755 - June 10, 2010, 02:35 PM

    Easy for you to say Mr Living in the UK.... I still live in a strict Muslim country where apostates are eaten for breakfast... Cheesy

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  • Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
     Reply #756 - June 10, 2010, 02:37 PM

    i'm guessing it's not as easy as that. practical issues might include employment, family etc....


    yup, exactimondo... Plus apart from the every now and then stupidly religious people I come across, life here is very good. Actually, financially, i am better off here at home.

    Thanks every body for the concern, but really I am very ok here especially, since me and my wife know the truth about religion (or we think we know). At least I don't have to pretend infront of my better half! Afro

    ...
  • Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
     Reply #757 - June 10, 2010, 02:43 PM

    I am analyzing that good looking baboon from a cultural anthropological perspective.  WHY do
    westerners accept this crap.
    1.  For the most part, (especially middle easterners) are soft spoken.  In the west, verbal "tone" makes a difference in how one perceives and understands the
    babbling and chattering of someone else.  
    2.  Demeanor and non verbals..  Again, how the west understands and accepts or rejects
    the content of ones speech can be attributed to this.
    3.  Appearance.  Lets face it... this too has an impact on the western eye and subconscious
    as to accept or reject what they are saying.

    I will NOT deny, after much retrospection, that I found the "speech" of the dawahgandists
    to be very appealing and while a FALSE perception, it came across being very peaceful.

    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
     Reply #758 - June 10, 2010, 02:47 PM

    I am analyzing that good looking baboon from a cultural anthropological perspective.  WHY do
    westerners accept this crap.
    1.  For the most part, (especially middle easterners) are soft spoken.  In the west, verbal "tone" makes a difference in how one perceives and understands the
    babbling and chattering of someone else.  
    2.  Demeanor and non verbals..  Again, how the west understands and accepts or rejects
    the content of ones speech can be attributed to this.
    3.  Appearance.  Lets face it... this too has an impact on the western eye and subconscious
    as to accept or reject what they are saying.

    I will NOT deny, after much retrospection, that I found the "speech" of the dawahgandists
    to be very appealing and while a FALSE perception, it came across being very peaceful.


    Dear Dreamer said

    sweet speech converts have you also heard loose lips sink ships (lol)

    dear Dreamer you dream but good now you wake from Muhammads nightmare lol

    or maybe we are still in nightmare see here nightmare still in land of Pak

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rS8nqBuvrBo
  • Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
     Reply #759 - June 10, 2010, 02:49 PM

    hey.. i resemble that remark about white people!  thnkyu   far away hug

    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
     Reply #760 - June 10, 2010, 02:51 PM

    @Blackdog

     Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

    that is yeezevee-ism at it's finest.

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
     Reply #761 - June 10, 2010, 02:54 PM

    ...

    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
     Reply #762 - June 10, 2010, 04:01 PM

    LMAO at blackdogs yeezeveeism posts  Cheesy  Cheesy  Cheesy  Cheesy  Cheesy  Cheesy too good

    what makes it even funnier is that Dreamer is taking them seriously  Cheesy he has a lot to learn  Cheesy bless him

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  • Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
     Reply #763 - June 10, 2010, 05:58 PM

    Do you really think they are very "sensible" any longer?  Our govt has decided to build a mosque on GROUND ZERO in NYC!!!!

    2.5 miles away from Ground Zero to be exact.
     
    whistling2

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    Long Live Pakistan? Or run with your lives from Pakistan?
  • Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
     Reply #764 - June 10, 2010, 06:22 PM


    I don´t know where you got your 2,5 miles from. 2 blocks - that some awfully big blocks.

    Quote
    The proposed center, called the Cordoba House, would rise as many as 15 stories two blocks north of where the twin towers stood. It would include a prayer space, as well as a 500-seat performing arts center, a culinary school, a swimming pool, a restaurant and other amenities.

     

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/26/nyregion/26muslim.html

    Quote
    Less than nine years after the worst terrorist attack on American soil in our history, an imam who blames America for the 9/11 attack wants to construct a 13 story mosque and Islamic center 600 feet from “Ground Zero.”


    http://www.nowpublic.com/world/mosque-ground-zero

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  • Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
     Reply #765 - June 10, 2010, 06:25 PM

    ROFL Blackdog!!!  Cheesy

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  • Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
     Reply #766 - June 10, 2010, 06:36 PM

    @BD, I need to learn Yeezeeveeism. Cheesy

    You seem fluent in post Yeezeevisation! Afro

    ...
  • Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
     Reply #767 - June 11, 2010, 08:49 PM

    PDF updated.

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  • Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
     Reply #768 - June 11, 2010, 10:24 PM

    Chapter 4 (cont...)

    Part 3 - The Eloquence of the Qur'an (cont...)

    Eloquence is composing words in such a way that they correspond to the meanings and embellish them with radiance. Eloquence is not simply to address people according to what they understand. Eloquence is to raise them up to reach your objectives by clarifying them in ways that make (people) comprehend everything you want to enlighten them with.

    Addressing people according to their mentality and understanding, sacrifices meaning, depth and comprehension. It gives precedence to a loose meaning over a precise and complete meaning. It distances what is said from it's objectives. Thus it is the job of the literary master to aspire for something higher through his artistic expression and not to resort to facile speech.

    But we find many verses of the Qur'an are vague and based on ambiguous imprecise concepts that do not deliver clarity of underlying meaning, because the words in them lack precision and accuracy and some more like puzzles and quizzes.

    For precise language helps mold precise ideas, while ambiguous language confuses the mind and muddles one's thinking. For that reason if we want speech to be eloquent then we must fulfill the condition of clarity and transparency and effectiveness to reach the ear in the most beautiful language and most lucid speech not to mention soundness of meaning, being error free and having no contradictions. It does not befit the writer of eloquent speech that his meanings should be disordered or contradictory or to make mistakes in wording and meaning.

    Amongst the things that contribute to clarity are candor, conciseness, soundness, using moving words without being too abstract. Using short sentences without overstatement and having preference for subtlety over coarseness. Avoiding padding, obscureness, concoction, and using words with multiple meanings and in particular words that have contradictory meanings.

    Clear, eloquent speech must also have all it's parts linked with each other and flow harmoniously and in succession and sequence with each other part. It should not jump from one sentence to another before fully dealing with and completing it's components. This means each sentence should carry the same seed as the following sentence and the following sentence concludes and completes the previous sentence. In this way each part flows naturally from each other part, aesthetically unified, coalescing and integrated as if they were a solid cemented structure.  (ref to Qur'an)

    In short: Eloquence (al-Balagha) is from al-Buloogh which means to reach and in relation to our subject here it is for the meaning to reach those for who it was intended. The crux of the matter is reaching the meaning and arriving at it. However, the meaning only becomes apparent if it has been demonstrated clearly and likewise it is not clear when it has not been demonstrated well. So whenever it (the meaning) is hidden or abstruse then the speech has lost it's purpose and becomes just babble with no use or benefit behind it.

    ***

    Now, after this short tour round the subject of Eloquence and it's conditions and the difference between eloquent speech and speech that is not eloquent we are justified in asking: What is the position of the Qur'an in all this? What is it's degree of eloquence in it? Is it on one level of eloquence or is there a disparity between it's verses? What is the degree of this disparity? This is what we shall discuss in the following section.
  • Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
     Reply #769 - June 11, 2010, 10:25 PM



    Yeah well you'll just have to get off your arse again  grin12

    This completes this section - the next section is "4.4 Where is the Eloquence of the Qurʾān?"
  • Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
     Reply #770 - June 11, 2010, 10:41 PM

    Angry

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  • Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
     Reply #771 - June 11, 2010, 10:43 PM

     dance
  • Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
     Reply #772 - June 12, 2010, 12:30 AM

    Yeah well you'll just have to get off your arse again  grin12

    Nice work.  This bit is well written, shame that he didnt do anything with it after spending so much time writing it.  And you are so lucky to be able to understand it in the original language, it must be even more fulfilling.

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  • Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
     Reply #773 - June 12, 2010, 12:45 AM

    Nice work.  This bit is well written, shame that he didnt do anything with it after spending so much time writing it.  And you are so lucky to be able to understand it in the original language, it must be even more fulfilling.


    It's a nice distraction from problems I have i RL.

    btw I am not a professional translator so any lack of clarity is due to my own shortcomings not the author's.

  • Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
     Reply #774 - June 13, 2010, 04:35 PM

    Chapter 4  - The Miraculous Nature of  the Qurʾān (cont...)

    Part 4 - Where is the Eloquence of the Qurʾān?

    There are red lines that all Muslims who study the Qur'an do not allow themselves to cross. None of them start from zero. On the contrary they start off with absolute faith in His words - Exalted is He!

    "Indeed it is a Book of exalted power. No falsehood can approach it from before or behind it: It is sent down by One full of wisdom, worthy of all praise." (41:41-42)

    And His saying:

    "Do they not then ponder on the Qur'an? Had it been from any other than Allah, they would surely have found therein much discrepancy." (4:82)

    So falsehood cannot creep into the Qur'an in any way just as it is free from discrepancy. These two unassailable principles are not open to discussion. We can also add a third verse that emphasises the infallibility and Inviolability of the the Qur'an:      

    "Say: "If the whole of mankind and Jinns were to gather together to produce the like of this Qur'an, they could not produce the like thereof, even if they backed up each other with help and support." (17:88)

    Would that I knew how a person can analyse the Qur'an in an objective, dispassionate, independent way when his hands are tied by these three verses? Remove these shackles and you will immediately see that falsehood has indeed found its way into the Qur'an, just like any human accomplishment. That it resounds with contradictions and all types of disparity. That it is possible to bring the like of it and even better than it also. Remove the covering from your eyes and and free yourselves from restrictions. 'But to whom are you singing your Psalms to Oh David?' (Arabic proverb, i.e. 'Will anyone listen?') No one wants to risk playing with fire, it simply doesn't enter the mind and if it does, then it cant entertain it, and if it does entertain it then it cannot act upon it. Nay, even those who are beset by doubts about the soundness of the Qur'an do not dare declare their true opinion. If they do then they do it apologetically and behind a veil (Qur'anic ref.) - a thousand and one veils.

    Thus he who wants to know their views about this, must use a level of ingenuity and intelligence that would enable him to bring out the suppressed in their writings and reveal the repressed by reading between the lines. As I said previously, they don't want to play with fire, choosing health and desiring peace, instead. As for me I love playing with fire and there will be many more after me. It is fire that burns out the blemishes on gold, and destroys all spots and stains. If you aspire for something higher, you must live dangerously!!

    ***
  • Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
     Reply #775 - June 13, 2010, 05:20 PM

    Updated. Afro

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  • Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
     Reply #776 - June 13, 2010, 05:51 PM

    Updated. Afro


    Sorry, Aziz - could you correct this bit at the beginning that I have just changed:

    There are red lines that all Muslims who study the Qur'an do not allow themselves to cross. None of them start from zero. On the contrary they start off with absolute faith in His words - Exalted is He!
  • Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
     Reply #777 - June 13, 2010, 06:10 PM

    ...even those who are beset by doubts about the authenticity soundness of the Qur'an do not dare declare their true opinion...


    Could you also change the bit above - thanks  Afro
  • Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
     Reply #778 - June 13, 2010, 06:44 PM

    Allah bless you for your work. Afro

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  • Re: Discussion about "My Ordeal with the Qur'an"
     Reply #779 - June 13, 2010, 06:47 PM

    Allah bless you for your work. Afro


    I'd rather that psychopath left me alone, thanks!  Afro
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