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 Topic: May 20th. 2010. Draw Muhammad Day

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  • Re: The FB boycott about Draw Muhammad day.
     Reply #30 - May 17, 2010, 03:49 PM
    No, it's like Muslims being peeved by Muslims being killed in Afghanistan by the Allied forces but not as bothered by 9/11 even though it perpetrated by Muslims as it was not action in order to kill Muslims.
  • Re: The FB boycott about Draw Muhammad day.
     Reply #31 - May 17, 2010, 03:50 PM
    Quote from: HighOctane on May 17, 2010, 03:42 PM
    Oh, it's a gem of understand the minds of Muslims, myself included.

    Tony Blair said it once.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/5144438.stm

    Basically, just as when I was 14/15 and would wake up to see bombing of Iraq on the first day of Ramadan (because Saddam kicked out UN inspectors) I felt rage inside me. As I did also for Palestinians. If a guy died in timbuktoo I wouldn't care as much, but Islam develops this false sense of link between Muslims that otherwise would not exists. Hence it explains all the attacks on Jews in Europe when Palestinians are attacked by Israelis.

    Trust me, it used to work on me!  015

    Edit: Mentally I mean to say, it never lead to any physical actions. And you can be sure 90% of moderate Muslims suffer from this, I think.

    i used to secretly admire hitler when i was a muslim. :/
  • Re: The FB boycott about Draw Muhammad day.
     Reply #32 - May 17, 2010, 03:51 PM
    Ah right.
  • Re: The FB boycott about Draw Muhammad day.
     Reply #33 - May 17, 2010, 03:52 PM
    Quote from: Chef on May 17, 2010, 03:50 PM
    i used to secretly admire hitler when i was a muslim. :/


    Yeah I never got that. Why would you admire Hitler :S I've heard it from other muslims as well, friends and other people that I love and respect :S
  • Re: The FB boycott about Draw Muhammad day.
     Reply #34 - May 17, 2010, 03:54 PM
    I've seen that on Islam parades "Allah loves Hitler" or something.
  • Re: The FB boycott about Draw Muhammad day.
     Reply #35 - May 17, 2010, 03:55 PM
    And I think it's the Jew thing.
  • Re: The FB boycott about Draw Muhammad day.
     Reply #36 - May 17, 2010, 03:55 PM
    I don't understand how Muslims could admire Hitler, Hitler would have no doubt killed Muslims too had he had the chance. I think it's very sad that some Muslims will equate the problem with Israel to an immediate hatred for all European Jews around them. Anti-Semitism is perhaps one of the most pointless forms of hatred, it really is baseless hatred at its finest; if it's not "the Jews are in our government secretly leading the world!!!1" then it's "that country called Israel is bad, so I'll hate the Jew down the road from me."  wacko
  • Re: The FB boycott about Draw Muhammad day.
     Reply #37 - May 17, 2010, 03:55 PM
    Yeah, I've heard that too. I don't understand it either.
  • Re: The FB boycott about Draw Muhammad day.
     Reply #38 - May 17, 2010, 03:57 PM
    I think my darkest hour of Islam was when for some reason I'd have this mentally throbbing hate for Jewish people. I had absolutely no reason to dislike them personally, and yet I did.

    And these days I have actually struck a deal with a Jewish friend if we are both single by 40 we should catch up again. lol
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  • Re: The FB boycott about Draw Muhammad day.
     Reply #39 - May 17, 2010, 04:01 PM
    Just want to say High Octane that if thats you in your piccy thing you are very nice looking. I so have a thing for south-asian men.
  • Re: The FB boycott about Draw Muhammad day.
     Reply #40 - May 17, 2010, 04:03 PM

    Lilyesque has a chocolate-curry fetish  Grin
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: The FB boycott about Draw Muhammad day.
     Reply #41 - May 17, 2010, 04:03 PM
    Aye
  • Re: The FB boycott about Draw Muhammad day.
     Reply #42 - May 17, 2010, 04:05 PM

    Right on  Afro

    Anyway back to this subject. I know I shouldn't, but when I read the desperate comments of the Muslims on that facebook page, I kind of feel sorry for them for some reason  Roll Eyes


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: The FB boycott about Draw Muhammad day.
     Reply #43 - May 17, 2010, 04:07 PM
    Yeah I'll probably regret reading the comments so I won't
  • Re: The FB boycott about Draw Muhammad day.
     Reply #44 - May 17, 2010, 04:11 PM

    See, the thing is, they are obviously in genuine distress about it. Their minds are so mangled. So its a kind of patronising, condescending sorrow I feel for them, I suppose.

    Nevertheless, its tough love in a way. And like I said, these things are ultimately superficial. Well written essays and articles and the spread of knowledge about the true dark side of Mo will do more to damage Islam than these cartoons will. Caricatures are just so visceral that they make them go crazy. But when the truth of Mohammad is universally known, that cut will be the deepest.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: The FB boycott about Draw Muhammad day.
     Reply #45 - May 17, 2010, 04:13 PM
    It's the ultimate irony. Muhammad is the poison of Islam (funnier when you consider the shahada) and the Islamic texts (hadiths and sira) are what will bring the man down.

    In fact I knew I could no longer consider myself a muslim when I had a problem of saying the second part of the shahada. Even with the fear and threat of hell looming in my mind, I simply refused.
  • Re: The FB boycott about Draw Muhammad day.
     Reply #46 - May 17, 2010, 04:14 PM
    Thanks Lilyesque, you are only too kind! *high five* As to chocolate-curry fetish ... lol !

    Okay so back on topic, I think Hassan Bin Munir's comment was a good one, see that?
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  • Re: The FB boycott about Draw Muhammad day.
     Reply #47 - May 17, 2010, 04:15 PM
    Post it here HO
  • Re: The FB boycott about Draw Muhammad day.
     Reply #48 - May 17, 2010, 04:18 PM
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    Hassan Bin Munir:

    She was being perfectly polite, but you people have to bring in crap like "need psychotherapy", "rotten minds"?
    And you call your selves representatives of Muslims?
    Follow the example of the person you're claim to be defending, and develop some goddamn maturity and niceness.

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  • Re: The FB boycott about Draw Muhammad day.
     Reply #49 - May 17, 2010, 04:21 PM
    Nice one Joan!

    Quote
    Joan Fitzpatrick

    Lol. High five back.

    And @ the muslims throwing tantrums - the Islamic prohibition on depicting Mohammed is to protect you lot from falling into idolatry. Non-muslims are in no danger of idolising Mohammed, which is why we are free to depict him as much as we like. If you don't like it, don't look.


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  • Re: The FB boycott about Draw Muhammad day.
     Reply #50 - May 17, 2010, 04:22 PM
    What is more offensive, drawing a picture of Muhammad in all sorts of positions or stating one's opinion that less than a million Jews died in the Holocaust ?

    Don't get me wrong I hate holocaust deniers and I am aware that most of them are not "questioning" or "researching" but are just hating. And I am not saying we should ban the depiction of Muhammed. But I do think there is a bias here. An unintentional bias of course since the holocaust denial laws were approved decades ago and Islam is a new phenomenon in Europe.

    Anyway, I was just debating this with a friend of mine online and got to this point. Honestly I have no rebuttal. I told him that in the UK and Sweden (where Lars Vilks is based) there are no Holocaust denial laws but he kept bringing it up. 

    Ah there is just no point of arguing with Muslims, is there?
  • Re: The FB boycott about Draw Muhammad day.
     Reply #51 - May 17, 2010, 04:22 PM
    Muslims getting owned by non-muslims using Islamic references. What a sad, sad day for the Umma.
  • Re: The FB boycott about Draw Muhammad day.
     Reply #52 - May 17, 2010, 04:23 PM
    Quote
    Joan Fitzpatrick

    Lol. High five back.

    And @ the muslims throwing tantrums - the Islamic prohibition on depicting Mohammed is to protect you lot from falling into idolatry. Non-muslims are in no danger of idolising Mohammed, which is why we are free to depict him as much as we like. If you don't like it, don't look.

    Exactly. Would a Muslim be offended if a Christian drank whisky or ate bacon? after all it's forbidden in the Quran !!
  • Re: The FB boycott about Draw Muhammad day.
     Reply #53 - May 17, 2010, 04:24 PM
    Pakistan Zindabad? ya Pakistan sey Zinda bhaag?

    Long Live Pakistan? Or run with your lives from Pakistan?
  • Re: The FB boycott about Draw Muhammad day.
     Reply #54 - May 17, 2010, 04:27 PM
    Quote from: Iraqi Atheist on May 17, 2010, 04:23 PM
    Exactly. Would a Muslim be offended if a Christian drank whisky or ate bacon? after all it's forbidden in the Quran !!


    The TYT guy made that exact point.
  • Re: The FB boycott about Draw Muhammad day.
     Reply #55 - May 17, 2010, 04:30 PM
    Quote
    What is more offensive, drawing a picture of Muhammad in all sorts of positions or stating one's opinion that less than a million Jews died in the Holocaust ?


    Neither of those things are offensive - the first is provocative, just as the art exhibition Piss Christ is provocative, and the second is merely ignorant, just as creationists are ignorant.  Neither of them should be banned.
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: The FB boycott about Draw Muhammad day.
     Reply #56 - May 17, 2010, 04:36 PM
    Quote from: atheist.pk on May 17, 2010, 04:24 PM
    (Clicky for piccy!)

    What the don't realize is the advertisers don't care about Muslim countries  Cheesy


    Quote from: Cheetah on May 17, 2010, 04:30 PM
    Neither of those things are offensive - the first is provocative, just as the art exhibition Piss Christ is provocative, and the second is merely ignorant, just as creationists are ignorant.  Neither of them should be banned.

    I know Cheetah. But still I have no rebuttal for my friend. I told him that you can make fun of Judaism or Jesus in Austria and Germany but he insisted on the Holocaust thing. He's acting like an 11-year old.

  • Re: The FB boycott about Draw Muhammad day.
     Reply #57 - May 17, 2010, 04:37 PM
    But what is he insisting, that the Holocaust never happened, or that people should have the right to say it never happened?
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: The FB boycott about Draw Muhammad day.
     Reply #58 - May 17, 2010, 04:41 PM
    The latter of course. He says that Europe is biased against Muslims since it allow insulting Muhammed while banning people from "insulting" Jews (by banning Holocaust denials). His English is not perfect.
    I've been trying to get him to understand that the Holocaust is not the Jewish prophet but he is acting like a child.

    I also told him that Europe is not "it". It's diverse.
  • Re: The FB boycott about Draw Muhammad day.
     Reply #59 - May 17, 2010, 04:44 PM
    Edit: I can not get the correct links to work.

    As soon as I joined it I got a msg in my inbox accusing me of  being 'racist'. The person went on to say 'are you being serious? youve chnaged soo much one day you will understand that you cant go around being racist and taking the piss by supporting crap like that'

    To which, I replied:
    it isn't racist :S it's a stab in the back of people who want to suppress freedom of speech. It's not the content, it's the principle. If there is anything to be pissed off it is how people are told to shut up in case a particular group in society are offended. People draw pictures of the pope all the time and it is taken in jest, even by devout christians because they get that we shouldn't take ourselves, regardless of our belief, so seriously. You should be able to laugh at yourself.

    The group wouldn't exist in the first place if people weren't so hypocritical and uptight in the first place. Why are you getting upset over a cartoon? Why do you think it was drawn in the first place? The people who are having a heart attack over it are the ones who are doing themselves a disservice and fulling the small section of society that is actually racist.'

    I'm not holding my breath for a response.
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