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 Topic: dear Mohamed Nazim, Don't attack Zakir Joker in Public..

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  • Re: dear Mohamed Nazim, Don't attack Zakir Joker in Public..
     Reply #30 - June 01, 2010, 03:09 PM

    It's first and foremost an "Islam is intolerant" issue.

    Islam was not only spread by the sword, it was also sustained  by the sword.

     yes

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  • Re: dear Mohamed Nazim, Don't attack Zakir Joker in Public..
     Reply #31 - June 01, 2010, 03:43 PM

    They're gonna spread the there are no ex-muslim memes with conspiracy theories. Or the they were never real muslims meme. Question is what the fuck is the apostasy punishment for then?
  • Re: dear Mohamed Nazim, Don't attack Zakir Joker in Public..
     Reply #32 - June 01, 2010, 05:57 PM

    He has discovered the error of his ways and re-embraced Islam! Maybe they will let him out of prison now.
    http://www.haveeru.com.mv/english/details/30901/BREAKING:_Nazim_reverts_to_Islam
    !

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  • Re: dear Mohamed Nazim, Don't attack Zakir Joker in Public..
     Reply #33 - June 01, 2010, 06:03 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXWFLcBHkrw

    My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable and I'm just ferocious. I want your heart. I want to eat your children. Praise be to Allah." -- Mike Tyson
  • Re: dear Mohamed Nazim, Don't attack Zakir Joker in Public..
     Reply #34 - June 01, 2010, 06:11 PM

    He has discovered the error of his ways and re-embraced Islam! Maybe they will let him out of prison now.
    http://www.haveeru.com.mv/english/details/30901/BREAKING:_Nazim_reverts_to_Islam
    !

    Subhannallah!

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  • Re: dear Mohamed Nazim, Don't attack Zakir Joker in Public..
     Reply #35 - June 01, 2010, 10:41 PM

    This gentleman has apparantly reverted back to Islam.  I would be very surpised if there wasn't any duress involved.

    http://www.haveeru.com.mv/english/details/30901/BREAKING:_Nazim_reverts_to_Islam


    He says the shahadah at 25secs of this video...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-byykmyFuIs

    .
  • Re: dear Mohamed Nazim, Don't attack Zakir Joker in Public..
     Reply #36 - June 02, 2010, 03:12 AM

    Wise move. Better to save your life rather than become a lynch victim at the hands of the angry mob.

    Pakistan Zindabad? ya Pakistan sey Zinda bhaag?

    Long Live Pakistan? Or run with your lives from Pakistan?
  • Re: dear Mohamed Nazim, Don't attack Zakir Joker in Public..
     Reply #37 - June 02, 2010, 01:52 PM

    We will never know what happened in that prison cell, but I wouldnt be surprised if they electrocuted his gonads.  tbh he was a bit stupid announcing like he did.  He was lucky he wasnt murdered on the spot!

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  • Re: dear Mohamed Nazim, Don't attack Zakir Joker in Public..
     Reply #38 - June 02, 2010, 02:14 PM

    look at the picture of Mohamed Nazim



    After staying in Police station, he aged 10 years in 10 days..  Thank you Allah for saving the life of Nazim..

    Fucking Islam ...fucking copy/pasted religious cult..


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  • Re: dear Mohamed Nazim, Don't attack Zakir Joker in Public..
     Reply #39 - June 02, 2010, 09:54 PM

    what a brave brave man , I salute him and hope he is not in any danger.

    As to the question regards  the  Z  and the  TH , I am not sure it is for the same reasons of course but I can tell you that there is a very similar thing in Spanish with the C in the south of the country and in Latin America the C is pronounced as  S  but in the middle and north of the country it is pronounced as  TH . The story behind this is that a king ( perhaps Fernando although Im not sure ) had a lisp and in order not to make him look bad or in order to ingratiate themselves with him people started speaking with the same lisp, and so  que haces ( what are you doing ) went from  Que Hases tu  Que Hathes.


     Not a lot of people know that  Tongue

    According to the polls only 1.6 % of Americans are athiests. So what gives you the right to call the other 80% morons?'
  • Re: dear Mohamed Nazim, Don't attack Zakir Joker in Public..
     Reply #40 - June 02, 2010, 10:32 PM

    oh well, I do think he doesn't believe in Islam, but the reason he went public about it is probably because he wanted an asylum.


    What tripe! Some people do actually want to be the change that they want to see (sounds horribly cliche). Maybe all your actions are based on material self interest (you are a believer after all), but don't assume that everybody is the same as you.
  • Re: dear Mohamed Nazim, Don't attack Zakir Joker in Public..
     Reply #41 - June 03, 2010, 01:46 PM

    Islam was not only spread by the sword, it was also sustained  by the sword.


    Very well said.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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  • Re: dear Mohamed Nazim, Don't attack Zakir Joker in Public..
     Reply #42 - June 03, 2010, 02:28 PM

    ™ (ateapotist)  Wink

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  • Re: dear Mohamed Nazim, Don't attack Zakir Joker in Public..
     Reply #43 - June 05, 2010, 10:37 AM

    look at the picture of Mohamed Nazim

    (Clicky for piccy!)

    After staying in Police station, he aged 10 years in 10 days..  Thank you Allah for saving the life of Nazim..

    Fucking Islam ...fucking copy/pasted religious cult..




    +1

    Some days I get so angry at Islam I want to do something similar to this man and announce my apostacy in front of a crowd of Muslims. Muslims need to wake up from their delusions that there are no apostates. I was told the same lies as a child by my parents... "No one ever leaves Islam?" Uh huh.

    Counselled for 2 days?! Get. The. Fuck. Out. He was either (1) brainwashed or (2) lied so that he can just stay alive. To think, as a Muslim I respected Zakir Naik, I thought he was the scholar who had come to revive Islam in our times. Now I see him for what he is, a manipulating bastard.

  • Re: dear Mohamed Nazim, Don't attack Zakir Joker in Public..
     Reply #44 - June 05, 2010, 11:43 AM

    This man is very brave, but i think this was a stupid move.. i can't possibly see why he would do that while knowing that there's a death penalty for this in his country?
  • Re: dear Mohamed Nazim, Don't attack Zakir Joker in Public..
     Reply #45 - June 05, 2010, 11:56 AM

    We need to all band together and save this guy Saving Private Ryan style. Seriously, what can we do for people like this?
  • Re: dear Mohamed Nazim, Don't attack Zakir Joker in Public..
     Reply #46 - June 05, 2010, 12:09 PM

    +1

    Some days I get so angry at Islam I want to do something similar to this man and announce my apostacy in front of a crowd of Muslims. Muslims need to wake up from their delusions that there are no apostates. I was told the same lies as a child by my parents... "No one ever leaves Islam?" Uh huh.

    Counselled for 2 days?! Get. The. Fuck. Out. He was either (1) brainwashed or (2) lied so that he can just stay alive. To think, as a Muslim I respected Zakir Naik, I thought he was the scholar who had come to revive Islam in our times. Now I see him for what he is, a manipulating bastard.

    Dont tone it down, why dont you tell us what you really think?  grin12

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  • Re: dear Mohamed Nazim, Don't attack Zakir Joker in Public..
     Reply #47 - June 05, 2010, 12:23 PM

    This man is very brave, but i think this was a stupid move.. i can't possibly see why he would do that while knowing that there's a death penalty for this in his country?


    It's like gay-pride murtad-style. Part of breaking the taboo of leaving Islam involves some brave individuals sticking their neck out from above the crowd. He's being the change he wants to see. Islamists know that keeping ex-muslims cowering in fear will delay the breaking the taboo of leaving Islam. The process of women's liberatation and gay rights involved, at the beginning, individuals taking enormous personal risks and public ridicule in bringing the idea onto the agenda. Am sure these individuals didn't feel very supported when some of their "comrades" (for want of a better word) said that their action was "stupid". It's a bit like the British authors that denounced Salman Rushdie as stupid for writing the Satanic Verses knowing what it would entail. Fuck the dictates of conservative society I say.
  • Re: dear Mohamed Nazim, Don't attack Zakir Joker in Public..
     Reply #48 - June 05, 2010, 12:32 PM

    You're right  - it does take brave people to make a change, and I retract my comment labelling him as stupid. 

    Bravo Nazim, you're a hero in the truest sense of the word  Narcissist

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  • Re: dear Mohamed Nazim, Don't attack Zakir Joker in Public..
     Reply #49 - June 05, 2010, 12:37 PM

    Anyone know a way of contacting this guy, perhaps by facebook? Is it possible to filter my the country category on facebook, as it seems to only do it by town?

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  • Re: dear Mohamed Nazim, Don't attack Zakir Joker in Public..
     Reply #50 - June 05, 2010, 01:08 PM

    Dont tone it down, why dont you tell us what you really think?  grin12


    That would probably get me banned...  Roll Eyes
  • Re: dear Mohamed Nazim, Don't attack Zakir Joker in Public..
     Reply #51 - June 06, 2010, 12:34 PM



    So it turns out that you can't be a citizen of the Maldives unless you are a Muslim.

    Quote

    Islam is the official religion of the Maldives and open practices of all other religions are forbidden and such actions are liable to prosecution under the law of the country.

    According to the revised constitution, in article two, it says;


    2. The Maldives is a sovereign, independent, democratic Republic based on the principles of Islam, and is a unitary State, to be known as the Republic of the Maldives. Any reference to “the Maldives” is a reference to the Republic of the Maldives.


    Article nine says;


    9. (d) Despite the provisions of article (a) a non-Muslim may not become a citizen of the Maldives.

    Article ten says;


    10. (a) The religion of the State of the Maldives is Islam. Islam shall be the one of the basis of all the laws of the Maldives.


    (b) No law contrary to any tenet of Islam shall be enacted in the Maldives.


    Article nineteen states;


    19. A citizen is free to engage in any conduct or activity that is not expressly prohibited by Islamic Shari’ah or by law. No control or restraint may be exercised against any person unless it is expressly authorised by law.

    http://hassanziyau.blogspot.com/2010/05/100-muslim-nation_29.html



    Such a beautiful, idyllic group of islands, such a vile, repulsive, bigoted, horrible constitution and religious culture.

    Fuck you, Maldives.

    And no wonder Zakir Naik feels so at home there.







    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: dear Mohamed Nazim, Don't attack Zakir Joker in Public..
     Reply #52 - June 06, 2010, 01:16 PM

    Quote
    So it turns out that you can't be a citizen of the Maldives unless you are a Muslim

    Blimey.  This makes Mohamed Nazim even more brave for his open apostasy there.

    "Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so." -- Bertrand Russell

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  • Re: dear Mohamed Nazim, Don't attack Zakir Joker in Public..
     Reply #53 - June 06, 2010, 01:18 PM


    Exactly. I'm going to be doing some more research on the history of the Maldives and this constitution when I get some time. I suspect the stench of salafi / Saudi / Jamaati influence here.



    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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  • Re: dear Mohamed Nazim, Don't attack Zakir Joker in Public..
     Reply #54 - June 06, 2010, 03:23 PM

     Cheesy

    Billy - roughly what percentage of your posts claim some sort of Saudi conspiracy?

    ...nor shall they encompass aught of His knowledge, except as He willeth...
  • Re: dear Mohamed Nazim, Don't attack Zakir Joker in Public..
     Reply #55 - June 06, 2010, 03:36 PM

    Hassan1,
    Roughly what percentage of Muslims terrorists and Sharia law advocates are of Salafi / Saudi / Jamaati influence?

    "Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so." -- Bertrand Russell

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  • Re: dear Mohamed Nazim, Don't attack Zakir Joker in Public..
     Reply #56 - June 06, 2010, 04:00 PM

    oooh *ouch*
  • Re: dear Mohamed Nazim, Don't attack Zakir Joker in Public..
     Reply #57 - June 06, 2010, 04:10 PM

    Cheesy

    Billy - roughly what percentage of your posts claim some sort of Saudi conspiracy?

    He's talking about influence, not a conspiracy.  The millions that Saudi's proudly invest in their quest for Islamic imperialism is not a candid operation.

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  • Re: dear Mohamed Nazim, Don't attack Zakir Joker in Public..
     Reply #58 - June 07, 2010, 12:46 PM

    Cheesy

    Billy - roughly what percentage of your posts claim some sort of Saudi conspiracy?


    Hassan1, IsLame answered your latest inanity really well.

    Try to keep a control on your emotions, mate  Afro




    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
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  • Re: dear Mohamed Nazim, Don't attack Zakir Joker in Public..
     Reply #59 - June 07, 2010, 12:53 PM


    So, here we go. This repulsive constitution in the Maldives is a recent concoction. And guess where its roots lie.

    From the Asia Times.

    ++++++++++


    Maldives faces up to extremism

    BANGALORE - The Maldives, which is at the forefront of a campaign to get the international community to act on a looming global warming crisis, has a more immediate problem on hand. A rising tide of religious extremism is driving this tropical paradise of a low-lying string of islands down the road to a new conservatism.

    What is more, the spread of militant Islam in the country and the appeal of a radical strain of Islam are drawing Maldivian youth into global jihadi groups.

    "Hundreds of Maldivians" have been recruited by the Taliban and are fighting in Pakistan, Maldivian President Mohammed Nasheed told the CNN-IBN news channel during his recent visit to India.

    An Indian Ocean archipelago of over 1,992 coral islands strewn across the equator, the Maldives is renowned for its emerald green waters and sandy beaches. It has been in the grip of political turmoil in recent years.

    Opposition to president Maumoon Abdul Gayoom's authoritarian rule exploded in mass demonstrations for democratic reform from 2003 onwards, which the government sought to crush with a heavy hand. The Maldives has since adopted a new constitution, held multi-party presidential and parliamentary elections - which Gayoom lost in 2008 - and set up an independent judiciary, a commission for human rights and other reforms.

    But newly democratic Maldives is up against a serious challenge - religious extremism. Maldivians are Sunni Muslim and adherence to Islam is required for citizenship. Historically, religion has been an important part of the daily lives of Maldivians, but the Islam followed here was never rigid or puritanical.

    Maldivian Islam is suffused with local cultural practices and faith in Islam has co-existed with the belief in spirits - djinns. Alongside praying to Allah, Maldivians turned to magic and spells for protection against evil spirits.

    Traditionally, women did not veil their faces or cover their heads and men did not grow beards. Interaction between men and women was allowed and arranged marriages, practiced in most Islamic societies, was never the norm here.

    That is now changing.

    A puritanical version of Islam has taken root. Signs of conservatism are more evident on the streets of the capital, Male, today than they were even a few years ago. The number of burqa-clad women has been increasing steadily as has that of bearded men.

    And religious conservatives have become increasingly assertive. Ongoing efforts by the government to revise the penal code have come under intense opposition from a small but vocal section that wants sharia law punishments like the death penalty, flogging and amputations to be included. Several public demonstrations supporting flogging have taken place in Male in recent months and those who have spoken against this practice have been threatened.

    Among those demanding the inclusion of sharia punishments in the revised penal code is the Adhaalath Party, a constituent of the ruling coalition, which controls the Ministry of Islamic Affairs. Many describe it as an extremist party. But more extreme than Adhaalath are organizations outside parliament, like the Jamiyyathul Salaf.

    Registered as a non-governmental organization with the Ministry of Home Affairs and set up to "raise religious awareness and promote the values of Islam", the Jamiyyathul Salaf is actively engaged in spreading Salafi Islam in the Maldives. In 2008, it declared music to be haram (forbidden) and forced the closing of a school library in Male that had "Christian story books". More recently, it invited a preacher, Bilal Philips, who endorses girls being married off when they attain puberty, to visit.

    Informed sources are of the view that "there is no evidence yet" directly linking organizations like Adhaalath and Salaf with armed violence. "It is mainly to the Maldivian way of life that these organizations pose a threat," said Halath Rashid, a freelance journalist. "We could lose our liberal, secular and tolerant way of life that we've enjoyed for centuries.”

    The popular support these organizations enjoy is still limited. Adhaalath for instance failed to win even a single seat in the recent general elections. If they have been able to get many to adopt their brand of Islam it is through intimidation and their tactic of labeling their critics as anti-Islam that they have been able to do so.

    The roots of the religious radicalism visible in the Maldives today can be traced to Gayoom's "Islamification" policies. According to a Maldivian political analyst, Gayoom, "though not an extremist by any standard", pursued policies that have made the Maldives vulnerable to religious radicalism.

    He started the first Arabic-medium schools and replaced the liberal Islamic studies textbooks that were taught with until then with a stricter version he imported from the Middle East. Students coming out of these Islamic schools went to study in Islamic universities in Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. Flushed with Saudi funds, they returned home to preach a more rigid form of Islam that is alien to Maldives.

    If an earlier generation of Maldivians came back to preach, today an even more radicalized lot is picking up the gun. Maldivians who have gone to Saudi and Pakistani madrassas (seminaries) to continue their studies, especially those who studied in seminaries like the Jamia Salafia Islamia at Faisalabad, which has produced several al-Qaeda and Lashkar-e-Taiba leaders, have been drawn into jihadi networks.

    The involvement of Maldivians in the global jihadi network received a fillip in 2005 when the Lashkar-e-Toiba's charitable front, the Idara Khidmat-e-Khalq (IKK), began engaging in relief operations in the Maldives following a tsunami. Scores of Maldivian boys were recruited through the IKK and sent to seminaries in Pakistan.

    Several Maldivians have been arrested in recent years in connection with terrorism-related activities or en route to training or fighting in Pakistan and Afghanistan. In April, nine Maldivians were arrested with weapons near the Pakistan-Afghanistan border. A fortnight earlier, three Maldivians were arrested for illegally entering the Waziristan tribal area in Pakistan. One Maldivian national has spent three years at the Guantanamo US detention facility in Cuba and more are likely to follow. According to the Maldivian president's press secretary, 10 Maldivians currently in Pakistani jails are likely to be transferred soon.

    It is not just in Pakistan-Afghanistan that Maldivian jihadis are active. Some were sent to carry out attacks in India. At least two Maldivian nationals are known to have died fighting in Kashmir in early 2007, and Nasheed recently pointed to "a Maldivian connection" to the terrorist attacks in Mumbai a year ago.

    Maldivian radicals have carried out attacks in the Maldives as well. In September 2007, Maldives witnessed its first terrorist attack when a bomb went off in Sultan Park in Male, injuring 12 foreign tourists. There is concern too that jihadis could use Maldives’ remote islands as safe havens.

    Rashid says while there is no evidence yet of armed Islamic organizations in the Maldives, "well-connected Maldivians" told him about "terrorist cells operating in Maldives which can be mobilized to act the moment orders arrive from 'headquarters'”, with 'headquarters' possibly referring to "any extremist leader operating out of Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, India, etc".

    The government has been criticized for not doing enough to address the extremist problem. This month, Ahmed Saleem, president of the Human Rights Commission of Maldives said the government's efforts to stop religious extremism from spreading in the country were "inadequate".

    Concern is mounting in the Maldives and outside over the increasing brazenness with which religious extremists are operating. Even if organizations like Adhaalath and Salaf are not armed themselves they are promoting a culture that provides an ideal breeding ground for jihad groups to thrive.

    They are more active under the new democratic government than they ever were under Gayoom. A part of the problem is Nasheed's alleged "appeasement" of religious parties like Adhaalath. "Unlike Gayoom, who used to jail people like [controversial religious preacher] Sheikh Fareed for their views, under the new democratic government, extremists are able to advocate their version of Islam without fear of being arrested and detained. So they are able to operate and preach more freely and organize rallies and so on," the political analyst said.

    The inclusion, too, of Adhaalath in the ruling coalition has given the party a new legitimacy. In control of the Ministry of Islamic Affairs it has been able to wield far more influence on religious affairs than it has in the past. It exercises clout far greater than that which its support base would merit or could achieve.

    But sources in government say that with Adhaalath in the ruling coalition, the government is able to deal more easily with the more extreme Salafis on various religious issues. Besides, Adhaalath in government is less dangerous than outside. Keeping them out of the government would push them to the fringe and could encourage them to join hands with the Salafis.

    The Maldivian government is considering legislation to tackle terrorism. A counter-terrorism bill is in the cards. It has also stepped up defense and security cooperation with India.

    In August, the countries signed a pact under which India has assumed responsibility for the archipelago's security. It will set up a network of 26 radars across the Maldives' 26 atolls, which will be linked to the Indian coastal command. Besides, a fortnight-long joint exercise between the armies of the two countries was held recently in India which is aimed at achieving interoperability in the event of future joint counter-terrorism operations.

    But counter-terrorism cooperation with India or other countries alone cannot eliminate the problem. The solution to countering terrorism is domestic. Nasheed will have to rein in the religious extremists if he is keen to deny terrorism a safe haven in Maldives.

    http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/KK11Df02.html


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