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  • Re: Drinking while standing?
     Reply #30 - July 12, 2010, 08:24 PM

    Ice cream is kept frozen, (which kills bacteria), and fruit should be washed and/or peeled before eating.  As to flies, its common knowledge that they eat shit, didn't you know that?  They're very unhygenic, and I challenge you to bring me any credible research which says otherwise.

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  • Re: Drinking while standing?
     Reply #31 - July 12, 2010, 08:42 PM

    Ice cream is kept frozen, (which kills bacteria), and fruit should be washed and/or peeled before eating.  As to flies, its common knowledge that they eat shit, didn't you know that?  They're very unhygenic, and I challenge you to bring me any credible research which says otherwise.


    I never said flies were hygenic. I said that there is evidence to support what the prophet said...(and I encouraged YOU to do research)

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    The surface of flies is the last place you would expect to find antibiotics, yet that is exactly where a team of Australian researchers is concentrating their efforts.

    Working on the theory that flies must have remarkable antimicrobial defences to survive rotting dung, meat and fruit, the team at the Department of Biological Sciences, Macquarie University, set out to identify those antibacterial properties manifesting at different stages of a fly's development.

    "Our research is a small part of a global research effort for new antibiotics, but we are looking where we believe no-one has looked before," said Ms Joanne Clarke, who presented the group's findings at the Australian Society for Microbiology Conference in Melbourne this week. The project is part of her PhD thesis.

    The scientists tested four different species of fly: a house fly, a sheep blowfly, a vinegar fruit fly and the control, a Queensland fruit fly which lays its eggs in fresh fruit. These larvae do not need as much antibacterial compound because they do not come into contact with as much bacteria.

    Flies go through the life stages of larvae and pupae before becoming adults. In the pupae stage, the fly is encased in a protective casing and does not feed. "We predicted they would not produce many antibiotics," said Ms Clarke.

    They did not. However the larvae all showed antibacterial properties (except that of the Queensland fruit fly control).

    As did all the adult fly species, including the Queensland fruit fly (which at this point requires antibacterial protection because it has contact with other flies and is mobile).

    Such properties were present on the fly surface in all four species, although antibacterial properties occur in the gut as well. "You find activity in both places," said Ms Clarke.

    "The reason we concentrated on the surface is because it is a simpler extraction."

    The antibiotic material is extracted by drowning the flies in ethanol, then running the mixture through a filter to obtain the crude extract.

    When this was placed in a solution with various bacteria including E.coli, Golden Staph, Candida (a yeast) and a common hospital pathogen, antibiotic action was observed every time.

    "We are now trying to identify the specific antibacterial compounds," said Ms Clarke. Ultimately these will be chemically synthesised.

    Because the compounds are not from bacteria, any genes conferring resistance to them may not be as easily transferred into pathogens. It is hoped this new form of antibiotics will have a longer effective therapeutic life.


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    More recently, a Colorado State University Web site on entomology states, “Gnotobiotic [=germ-free] insects (Greenberg et al, 1970) were used to provide evidence of the bacterial pathogen-suppressing ability of the microbiota of Musca domestica [houseflies]” and “most relationships between insects and their microbiota remain undefined. Studies with gnotobiotic locusts suggest that the microbiota confers previously unexpected benefits for the insect host.”

    So then, flies are not only pathogenic carriers but also carry microbiota that can be beneficent. These fly microbiota are bacteriophagic or germ-eating. Bacteriophages attack viruses and bacteria. They can be selected and bred to kill specific organisms. The viruses infect a bacterium, replicate and fill the bacterial cell with new copies of the virus, and then break through the bacterium's cell wall, causing it to burst. The existence of similar bacteria-killing mechanisms in two bacteriophages suggests that antibiotics for human infections might be designed on the basis of these cell wall-destroying proteins ( Science 292, June 2001, p. 2326-2329).

    Bacteriophagic medicine was available in the West before the 1940s but was discontinued when penicillin and other “miracle antibiotics” came out. Bacteriophages continued to flourish in Eastern Europe as an over-the-counter medicine. The “O1-phage” has been used for diagnosis of all Salmonella types while the prophylaxis of Shigella dysentery was conducted with the help of phages ( Annales Immunologiae Hungaricae, No. 9, 1966, in German).

    Read more: http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?c=Article_C&pagename=Zone-English-Living_Shariah%2FLSELayout&cid=1158658490157#ixzz0tVEuX39P



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  • Re: Drinking while standing?
     Reply #32 - July 12, 2010, 08:45 PM

    The research you've posted does not support what Mohammed said about dipping flies wings in drink.  It merely details flies as a source from which new antibiotics can be synthesised - that is not at all the same thing as dipping a bacteria riddled fly wing in your drink, no not even if there's some rudimentary antibiotic present to safeguard the fly. 

    Talk about clutching at straws.   Roll Eyes

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  • Re: Drinking while standing?
     Reply #33 - July 12, 2010, 08:48 PM

    The research you've posted does not support what Mohammed said about dipping flies wings in drink.  It merely details flies as a source from which new antibiotics can be synthesised - that is not at all the same thing as dipping a bacteria riddled fly wing in your drink, no not even if there's some rudimentary antibiotic present to safeguard the fly. 

    Talk about clutching at straws.   Roll Eyes


    Have you even read the hadith? It seems you are trying to imply the Prophet wanted to put flies into perfectly good drinks.

    I mean seriously Cheetah...if you are going to operate a website criticizing the beliefs of others atleast learn what those beliefs are.

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  • Re: Drinking while standing?
     Reply #34 - July 12, 2010, 08:52 PM

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    Have you even read the hadith? It seems you are trying to imply the Prophet wanted to put flies into perfectly good drinks.


    I have read it, yes.  Its stupid, it advises dipping the wing of a fly into a drink which has been contaminated by said fly.  Not that that makes any difference - the point is that synthesising antibiotics from flies is not anywhere near the same thing as dipping a fly's wing into a drink.

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    I mean seriously Cheetah...if you are going to operate a website criticizing the beliefs of others atleast learn what those beliefs are.


    Ah, here we go.  I need to study the Qur'an, hadith, sira and learn fluent Arabic before I am qualified to say that the sun doesn't revolve around the Earth.   Roll Eyes  The wonders of religious bigotry know no bounds.

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  • Re: Drinking while standing?
     Reply #35 - July 12, 2010, 08:57 PM

    I have read it, yes.  Its stupid, it advises dipping the wing of a fly into a drink which has been contaminated by said fly.  Not that that makes any difference - the point is that synthesising antibiotics from flies is not anywhere near the same thing as dipping a fly's wing into a drink.

    Ah, here we go.  I need to study the Qur'an, hadith, sira and learn fluent Arabic before I am qualified to say that the sun doesn't revolve around the Earth.   Roll Eyes  The wonders of religious bigotry know no bounds.


    Read the last post of that thread.


    PS: Calling things stupid is what is bigotry.

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  • Re: Drinking while standing?
     Reply #36 - July 12, 2010, 08:59 PM

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    Read the last post of that thread.


    Read my post in that thread, I knew you weren't serious to begin with. 

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    PS: Calling things stupid is what is bigotry.


    Not if its accurate.  That hadith is stupid, that's a simple observation, and that research from Columbia University doesn't help your case one iota.

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  • Re: Drinking while standing?
     Reply #37 - July 12, 2010, 09:06 PM

    Read my post in that thread, I knew you weren't serious to begin with.

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    Not if its accurate.  That hadith is stupid, that's a simple observation, and that research from Columbia University doesn't help your case one iota.


    The fact is it's accuracy isn't proven either way. You're allowed to disagree but you should refrain from insulting someones culture/religion

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  • Re: Drinking while standing?
     Reply #38 - July 12, 2010, 09:09 PM

    The hadith is stupid and patently innaccurate, that is obvious to anybody who has read both the hadith and the research from Columbia University.    I see no reason to refrain from giving a valid description of a stupid piece of religious text, and if you're insulted by the truth that's your problem.

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  • Re: Drinking while standing?
     Reply #39 - July 12, 2010, 09:44 PM

    It's bullshit. Flies are some of the dirtiest insects we know, probably carry as many pathogens as mosquitos. For fucks sake they LOVE shit, they're attracted to pungent odours such as H2S (usually found in shit). How anybody be so stupid? Why do you think you're told to cook anything you eat? to kill bacteria. Mo was obviously too stingy to waste water that a fly landed in or something.


    flies were the ultimate down fall of the black baron romel back in WWII
    dysentery ruined his tank forces in the battle for africa
    britian's fetish for sterile shitholes kept their forces in good health
    didn't romel shoot himself over the defeat? after suffering terribly from dysentery

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  • Re: Drinking while standing?
     Reply #40 - July 13, 2010, 07:35 PM

    You're not even worth arguing with. Flies spread typhoid, tuberculosis and other life threatening pathogens. You show me an irrelevant study of flies, I'll show you a list of paper showing the kind of things you'd be doing by dipping a fucking fly into your drink.

    http://aem.asm.org/cgi/reprint/46/1/32.pdf

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2366764/pdf/bullwho00450-0240.pdf

    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B7RMC-4MCX76J-9&_user=10&_coverDate=12/31/1985&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1399404320&_rerunOrigin=google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=9d033e9807d80b9b75af946754e1c721

    By all means, stay a Muslim, believe what you want- the fact remains the hadith is full of crap. You cannot dispute fact. Mo was wrong, the hadith was wrong, but faith is strong enough to make you drink camel piss.

    Be yourself.
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