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Re: This speaks to the purpose of the Bible.
Reply #60 - July 09, 2010, 09:34 PM

Quote from: Greatest I am on July 09, 2010, 07:59 PM
To help idiots like you think better and remember that we are all in this together alone and that things will not get better overall if we do not help each other think better.

You goofs have dropped one piece of tribal mentality and traded it in for another.
Think blobally fool and not of just your new little tribe.

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TOTALLY uncalled for. and global WHAT???

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Reply #61 - July 09, 2010, 09:41 PM

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Fixed.

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... should read as such.

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To which I would reply, no thank you.

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Reply #62 - July 09, 2010, 09:43 PM

lol

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Re: This speaks to the purpose of the Bible.
Reply #63 - July 10, 2010, 06:21 AM

Quote from: Greatest I am on July 09, 2010, 06:59 PM
My God?

I have no God.

Ah good. So if you have no god then you do not accept the god of the bible. Therefore we can both agree that the bible is 100% the writings of humans and nothing to do with any god, right?

Quote from: Greatest I am on July 09, 2010, 07:48 PM
I do not defend it. I show how it should be read and how we should read past the best guess of yesteryear and come up with our own best guess for today.

There is only one way to read the bible. It was a man made tool for controlling the masses without the need for a large police force, and to inspire them to war against other tribes whenever the leaders (who were religious) wanted more gold etc.

It also appears that it may have been written during a time when these people really were enslaved by other people (was it the Babylonians?) - and they wanted their people to believe they were the most special to the most powerful being in existence and that one day (if they did as they were told) it would come and rescue them from their captivity.

See it for what it is. A tool!

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Reply #64 - July 10, 2010, 12:12 PM

Quote from: Shadizar on July 09, 2010, 08:46 PM
respecting a book of crappy fables
doesn't help people to think better
it just gives shit thinking legitimacy

I guess you have never had children.

Hint. Robert Munsch and Grimms fairy tales.

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Re: This speaks to the purpose of the Bible.
Reply #65 - July 10, 2010, 12:15 PM

Quote from: Jinn and Tonic on July 09, 2010, 09:34 PM

TOTALLY uncalled for. and global WHAT???

Your tribe.

We are all in this together, alone.

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Re: This speaks to the purpose of the Bible.
Reply #66 - July 10, 2010, 12:26 PM

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Quote from: TheRationalizer on July 10, 2010, 06:21 AM
Ah good. So if you have no god then you do not accept the god of the bible. Therefore we can both agree that the bible is 100% the writings of humans and nothing to do with any god, right?

I agree on all but your last point.

To that, I say that the Bible has much to do with God. It just happens to be an imaginary God.

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There is only one way to read the bible. It was a man made tool for controlling the masses without the need for a large police force, and to inspire them to war against other tribes whenever the leaders (who were religious) wanted more gold etc.

It also appears that it may have been written during a time when these people really were enslaved by other people (was it the Babylonians?) - and they wanted their people to believe they were the most special to the most powerful being in existence and that one day (if they did as they were told) it would come and rescue them from their captivity.

See it for what it is. A tool!

I would not disagree with the possibility of most of this. We can never know for sure though . It is mostly your speculation.
Yes, the Bible is definitely a tool.
So are fairy tales and they prove to be useful. So has the Bible.
It is not a Words fault if people have made a God out of a tool.

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Re: This speaks to the purpose of the Bible.
Reply #67 - July 10, 2010, 01:48 PM

Pray tell then, what does the bible teach us about god?
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Reply #68 - July 10, 2010, 01:50 PM

Quote from: Greatest I am on July 10, 2010, 12:26 PM
I agree on all but your last point.

To that, I say that the Bible has much to do with God. It just happens to be an imaginary God.

Then I propose we say "God" for the (might exist but nobody knows) god, and "bible god" for the imaginary god of the bible.

Quote from: Greatest I am on July 10, 2010, 12:26 PM
I would not disagree with the possibility of most of this. We can never know for sure though .

There are more things in life that we cannot prove that which we could ever prove to be true, but that doesn't mean they have any credibility at all. I am an atheist not because I say "There is definitely no god" but because I accept that there is definitely no evidence for god.

If there is a god then either that god had nothing to do with the bible, or when I see him I will tell him what a complete wanker he is.

Quote from: Greatest I am on July 10, 2010, 12:26 PM
So are fairy tales and they prove to be useful. So has the Bible.

BIG difference. At the end of Rapunzel we don't tell our children "The witch is real, and if you don't go to sleep she will come and get you" - unless of course they are shit head parents.

The fairy tales in the bible are all about how powerful bible god is. Once loads of people of Soddom and Gamora pissed off bible god so he killed them with fire and brimstone. Once bible god even got so pissed off with mankind that he killed not only 99.999% of humans but also 99.999% of all the Earth's animals too, just to make sure he got all the humans.

And bible god doesn't like you to even contemplate there being another god either. If that happens then bible god will send his army to kill you, your animals, your wife, and even kill your breast feeding babies.

Yes, they prove to be useful alright, just not to mankind.

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Reply #69 - July 10, 2010, 02:05 PM

I think somebody figured that the best way to preach Christianity to disbelievers is by showing some empathic agreement with their disbelief.

Successful preach-troll!

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Reply #70 - July 10, 2010, 02:24 PM

Quote from: Greatest I am on July 10, 2010, 12:12 PM
I guess you have never had children.

Hint. Robert Munsch and Grimms fairy tales.

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I'm sure if you have children you don't want to teach them that burning someone is ok or that if they do something wrong they will be beaten.

Proverbs 23:13-14 Do not withhold discipline from a child; if you strike him with a rod, he will not die. If you strike him with the rod, you will save his soul from Sheol.
Proverbs 30:17 ESV The eye that mocks a father and scorns to obey a mother will be picked out by the ravens of the valley and eaten by the vultures.

Deuteronomy 21:18-21 ESV “If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they discipline him, will not listen to them, (19) then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gate of the place where he lives, (20) and they shall say to the elders of his city, ‘This our son is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.’ (21) Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones. So you shall purge the evil from your midst, and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

do you want me to keep going ?

bible = 1 more shitty book that you can't really teach anyone anything out of

and I'm only speaking about versus that have a relation to what if a child doesn't obey. they are multiple other crappy craps that are just wrong to even show a kid not teach them using it.

maybe i misunderstood what you are trying to say. so i'm answering based on my understanding

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Re: This speaks to the purpose of the Bible.
Reply #71 - July 10, 2010, 05:49 PM

Quote from: Prince Spinoza on July 10, 2010, 01:48 PM
Pray tell then, what does the bible teach us about god?

That we should continue to seek Him as he is not yet found by this, Bible, best guess.
If found then He should only last as long as it takes for the next best guess.
God and man should and must evolve together if the title God is to have any lasting meaning and not just be a catch all word for man's wish list.

Like in the U S use of the word perfect, God must or should be seen as perfect and we should be seen as looking for a more perfect state. No, I am not American but I like their use of that word.

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Reply #72 - July 10, 2010, 06:02 PM

Quote from: Greatest I am on July 10, 2010, 05:49 PM
That we should continue to seek Him as he is not yet found by this, Bible, best guess.

Is that it?

Uh-huh. And what is this 'god'?
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Reply #73 - July 10, 2010, 06:05 PM

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Quote from: TheRationalizer on July 10, 2010, 01:50 PM
Then I propose we say "God" for the (might exist but nobody knows) god, and "bible god" for the imaginary god of the bible.

Since the word God has been corrupted anyway, perhaps we should always say imaginary God.
Either way, discussions usually end up with both participants knowing what the other means.

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There are more things in life that we cannot prove that which we could ever prove to be true, but that doesn't mean they have any credibility at all. I am an atheist not because I say "There is definitely no god" but because I accept that there is definitely no evidence for god.

A much more provably true response.

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BIG difference. At the end of Rapunzel we don't tell our children "The witch is real, and if you don't go to sleep she will come and get you" - unless of course they are shit head parents.

I often tell literalists and fundamentals to stop lying to their children as well.

The fairy tales in the bible are all about how powerful bible god is. Once loads of people of Soddom and Gamora pissed off bible god so he killed them with fire and brimstone. Once bible god even got so pissed off with mankind that he killed not only 99.999% of humans but also 99.999% of all the Earth's animals too, just to make sure he got all the humans.

And bible god doesn't like you to even contemplate there being another god either. If that happens then bible god will send his army to kill you, your animals, your wife, and even kill your breast feeding babies.

Yes, they prove to be useful alright, just not to mankind.

I find it useful to know what and in which book an evil God is. it tells me to look elsewhere and in a different way for Him or indeed if I should scrap the whole notion or not.

Quite useful.

Do not throw out the baby with the bath water.

We should all read Mein Kamf just to know the mind of a madman. The same with the Bible.

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Reply #74 - July 10, 2010, 06:07 PM

Quote from: Greatest I am on July 10, 2010, 12:12 PM
I guess you have never had children.

Hint. Robert Munsch and Grimms fairy tales.

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nearly 13 and 4
one more on the way
even before I discarded the "holy books"
I had discarded the nursery rhymes and fairy tales
less because they didn't teach anything
but because they were down right fucking disturbing
just what message were they trying to send???
a baby in a cradle on a tree branch will fall
and we sing it with shit eating grins???
WTF???

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Reply #75 - July 10, 2010, 06:15 PM

Quote from: Kod on July 10, 2010, 02:24 PM

I'm sure if you have children you don't want to teach them that burning someone is ok or that if they do something wrong they will be beaten.

Proverbs 23:13-14 Do not withhold discipline from a child; if you strike him with a rod, he will not die. If you strike him with the rod, you will save his soul from Sheol.
Proverbs 30:17 ESV The eye that mocks a father and scorns to obey a mother will be picked out by the ravens of the valley and eaten by the vultures.

Deuteronomy 21:18-21 ESV “If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they discipline him, will not listen to them, (19) then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gate of the place where he lives, (20) and they shall say to the elders of his city, ‘This our son is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.’ (21) Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones. So you shall purge the evil from your midst, and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

do you want me to keep going ?

bible = 1 more shitty book that you can't really teach anyone anything out of

and I'm only speaking about versus that have a relation to what if a child doesn't obey. they are multiple other crappy craps that are just wrong to even show a kid not teach them using it.

maybe i misunderstood what you are trying to say. so i'm answering based on my understanding

Thanks for showing that the Bible has helped you recognize stupidity from intelligent action.

As I stated above, that is what it may have been designed to do. You recognize the Anti-Christ when you see him.

Every good book has built in opposition and conflict. So does the Bible. I shows both sides of an issue.
That may be why it has been argued more than any other book in history. It is in this a great success.

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Reply #76 - July 10, 2010, 06:19 PM

Quote from: Prince Spinoza on July 10, 2010, 06:02 PM
Is that it?

Uh-huh. And what is this 'god'?

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Reply #77 - July 10, 2010, 06:20 PM

Quote from: Greatest I am on July 10, 2010, 05:49 PM
That we should continue to seek Him as he is not yet found by this, Bible, best guess.
If found then He should only last as long as it takes for the next best guess.
God and man should and must evolve together if the title God is to have any lasting meaning and not just be a catch all word for man's wish list.

Like in the U S use of the word perfect, God must or should be seen as perfect and we should be seen as looking for a more perfect state. No, I am not American but I like their use of that word.

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Crock of shit. It tells us that bible god is all powerful and we shouldn't piss him off or he will kill us, or worse still burn us forever. It tells us to do as we are told, and at the same time tells us not to check it is actually what bible god is telling us.

If there is a god then bible god is nothing to do with it, and neither is the bible.

The bible teaches 1 thing.....blind obedience.

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Reply #78 - July 10, 2010, 06:23 PM

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I see no need to label that 'god', especially so when you're going to link it to 'god' as the bible describes him.
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Reply #79 - July 10, 2010, 06:24 PM

It does try for sure and it teaches those who can think that blind obedience is foolish.

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Reply #80 - July 10, 2010, 06:27 PM

excuse me???

so only AFTER we've WATCHED a woman
get beaten, raped, pissed on, and boot fucked
can we then say that her assailant abuses women

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Reply #81 - July 10, 2010, 08:37 PM

but it is not a good book if it tells you to stone your child to death. IT IS FUCKING NOT. there are no exceptions what so ever.

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2 Kings 2:23-25 (English Standard Version)

23He went up from there to Bethel, and while he was going up on the way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him, saying, "Go up, you baldhead! Go up, you baldhead!" 24And he turned around, and when he saw them,(A) he cursed them in the name of the LORD. And two she-bears came out of the woods and tore forty-two of the boys. 25From there he went on to(B) Mount Carmel, and from there he returned(C) to Samaria.

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Reply #82 - July 10, 2010, 08:47 PM

I agree. Agood lesson in discerning that that bit would be said by the Anti-Christ.

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Reply #83 - July 10, 2010, 09:14 PM

like watching a dog chase it's tail

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Reply #84 - July 10, 2010, 09:17 PM

Quote from: Greatest I am on July 10, 2010, 08:47 PM
I agree. Agood lesson in discerning that that bit would be said by the Anti-Christ.

There is no "anti-Christ", the whole book is a steaming pile of turd sandwich.

If you believe in the "anti-Christ" does that mean you believe in "Christ"?
Do you believe he was the son of bible god, or bible god himself?

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Reply #85 - July 10, 2010, 09:26 PM

That has been answered. Pay attention.

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Reply #86 - July 10, 2010, 09:28 PM

so has your whole argument GIa

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Reply #87 - July 10, 2010, 10:08 PM

Quote from: Greatest I am on July 10, 2010, 09:26 PM
That has been answered. Pay attention.

Nah, you talk shit, I'd rather not waste my time. I'm out...

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Reply #88 - July 13, 2010, 09:05 AM

Quote from: Shadizar on July 09, 2010, 09:41 PM
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For instance, this quote here...... should read as such.

To which I would reply, no thank you.

Sweet cheeks
You grazed him, he lies
panting on the floor. Staring at the night sky.
Wondering, whether the clouds start
or end
in his mind or in the mind of God.
Yes, yes, yes. This the truth.

He who told him off as a child
has now returned
to tell him off as an adult. Now he cries
and whimpers in the corner of your heart
imploring you to stop.

Papa, why must thou chastise me
as your step-child when the blood of our forefathers
runs through my veins?
Why must the tears of a chided child
be dried on the sleeve of wizard?

I hurt inside, the pain gathers like a raisin
And it grows, and grows. Now to a fist sized
raisin. Eat from it Papa. Eat from the hate you grew
and nourished. Sweet cheeks.
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Reply #89 - July 13, 2010, 09:07 AM

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That has been answered. Pay attention.

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