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  • Re: Lenin on Islam
     Reply #60 - September 29, 2010, 03:47 PM

    An equally simplistic and hyperbolic statement.


    My statement? after careful consideration I would agree that its simplistic but definitely not equally as simplistic since mine has a strong basis in reality (unlike miss crazypants).


    "By the One in Whose Hand my soul is, were you not to commit sins, Allah would replace you with a people who would commit sins and then seek forgiveness from Allah; and Allah would forgive them." [Saheeh Muslim]

    "Wherever you are, death will find you, Even in the looming tower."
    - Quran 4:78
  • Re: Lenin on Islam
     Reply #61 - September 29, 2010, 03:54 PM

    They granted religious freedom, or at a bare minimum, equality under the law, to the religious groups that were not actively supporting the Tsar and counterrevolution. Their actions against the Russian Orthodox Church were directly related to that institution's support for restoration of the old regime. The early Bolsheviks were cool with the Muslims and Jews because those groups had been oppressed under the Tsar, thus had no direct material interest in counterrevolution. Later, when the Russian Orthodox Church fell into line and stopped supporting the counterrevolutionaries, they stopped persecuting them too-- which led to a split between the Orthodox Church in Russia and the Russian Orthodox outside of Russia. The relationship of Russian Communism to Judaism is a complex one, which I won't even get into right now as I just don't have the time this morning. Same with Islam.

    Why can't you just avoid speaking on shit you are entirely clueless about?


    Then why did the Soviets harass the Christian populace of Romania after they took it over. Richard Wurmbrand who was one of the Christians thrown in a Communist prison for preaching Christianity was in no way involved with any revolution or fighting against the Russians.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Wurmbrand

    The Russian Orthodox Church was not the only Church the soviets went after. They also went after other Christian denominations that were present in Russia. Are you going to claim they were also against the revolution?

    Under Communist rule

    Before and after the October Revolution of November 7, 1917 (October 25 Old Calendar) there was a movement within what became Soviet Union to unite all of the people of the world under Communist rule (see Communist International). This included the Eastern European bloc countries as well as the Balkan States. Since some of these Slavic states tied their ethnic heritage to their ethnic churches, both the peoples and their church were targeted by the Soviets.[17]

    The Soviet Union was the first state to have as an ideological objective the elimination of religion. Toward that end, the Communist regime confiscated church property, ridiculed religion, harassed believers, and propagated atheism in the schools. Actions toward particular religions, however, were determined by State interests, and most organized religions were never outlawed. Orthodox priests and believers were variously tortured, sent to prison camps, labour camps or mental hospitals, and executed.[18][19] Many Orthodox (along with people of other faiths) were also subjected to psychological punishment or torture and mind control experimentation in order to force them give up their religious convictions.[20][21]

    Thousands of churches and monasteries were taken over by the government and either destroyed or converted to secular use. It was impossible to build new churches. Practising Orthodox Christians were restricted from prominent careers and membership in communist organizations (the party, the Komsomol). Anti-religious propaganda was openly sponsored and encouraged by the government, which the Church was not given an opportunity to publicly respond to. The government youth organization, the Komsomol, encouraged its members to vandalize Orthodox Churches and harass worshippers. Seminaries were closed down, and the church was restricted from using the press.

    The history of Orthodoxy (and other religions) under Communism was not limited to this story of repression and secularization. Bolshevik policies toward religious belief and practice tended to vacillate over time between, on the one hand, a utopian determination to substitute secular rationalism for what they considered to be an unmodern, "superstitious" worldview and, on the other, pragmatic acceptance of the tenaciousness of religious faith and institutions. In any case, religious beliefs and practices did persist, in the domestic and private spheres but also in the scattered public spaces allowed by a state that recognized its failure to eradicate religion and the political dangers of an unrelenting culture war.[22]

    In November 1917, following the collapse of the tsarist government, a council of the Russian Orthodox church reestablished the patriarchate and elected the metropolitan Tikhon as patriarch. But the new Soviet government soon declared the separation of church and state and nationalized all church-held lands. These administrative measures were followed by brutal state-sanctioned persecutions that included the wholesale destruction of churches and the arrest and execution of many clerics. The Russian Orthodox church was further weakened in 1922, when the Renovated Church, a reform movement supported by the Soviet government, seceded from Patriarch Tikhon's church (also see the Josephites and the Russian True Orthodox Church), restored a Holy Synod to power, and brought division among clergy and faithful.

    In the first five years after the Bolshevik revolution, 28 bishops and 1,200 priests were executed.[23]
    [edit] Stalin era

    The main target of the anti-religious campaign in the 1920s and 1930s was the Russian Orthodox Church, which had the largest number of faithful. Nearly all of its clergy, and many of its believers, were shot or sent to labor camps. Theological schools were closed, and church publications were prohibited.

    The sixth sector of the OGPU, led by Yevgeny Tuchkov, began aggressively arresting and executing bishops, priests, and devout worshippers, such as Metropolitan Veniamin in Petrograd in 1922 for refusing to accede to the demand to hand in church valuables (including sacred relics). In the period between 1927 and 1940, the number of Orthodox Churches in the Russian Republic fell from 29,584 to less than 500. Between 1917 and 1935, 130,000 Orthodox priests were arrested. Of these, 95,000 were put to death. Many thousands of victims of persecution became recognized in a special canon of saints known as the "new martyrs and confessors of Russia".

    In January 1918 Patriarch Tikhon proclaimed anathema to the Bolsheviks (without explicitly naming them),[24] which further antagonized relations. When Tikhon died in 1925, the Soviet authorities forbade patriarchal elections to be held. Patriarchal locum tenens (acting Patriarch) Metropolitan Sergius (Stragorodsky, 1887–1944), going against the opinion of a major part of the church's parishes, in 1927 issued a declaration accepting the Soviet authority over the church as legitimate, pledging the church's cooperation with the government and condemning political dissent within the church. By this declaration Sergius granted himself authority that he, being a deputy of imprisoned Metropolitan Peter and acting against his will, had no right to assume according to the XXXIV Apostolic canon, which led to a split with the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia abroad and the Russian True Orthodox Church (Russian Catacomb Church) within the Soviet Union, as they allegedly remained faithful to the Canons of the Apostles, declaring the part of the church led by Metropolitan Sergius schism, sometimes coined Sergianism. Due to this canonical disagreement it is disputed which church has been the legitimate successor to the Russian Orthodox Church that had existed before 1925.[25][26][27][28]

    In the 1929 elections, the Orthodox Church attempted to formulate itself as a full-scale opposition group to the Communist Party, and attempted to run candidates of its own against the Communist candidates. Article 124 of the 1936 Soviet Constitution officially allowed for freedom of religion within the Soviet Union, and along with initial statements of it being a multi-candidate election, the Church again attempted to run its own religious candidates in the 1937 elections. However the support of multicandidate elections was retracted several months before the elections were held and in neither 1929 nor 1937 were any candidates of the Orthodox Church elected.[29]

    After Nazi Germany's attack on the Soviet Union in 1941, Joseph Stalin revived the Russian Orthodox Church[30] to intensify patriotic support for the war effort. On September 4, 1943, Metropolitans Sergius, Alexy and Nikolay had a meeting with Stalin and received a permission to convene a council on September 8, 1943, which elected Sergius Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia. This is considered by some violation of the XXX Apostolic canon, as no church hierarch could be consecrated by secular authorities.[25] A new patriarch was elected, theological schools were opened, and thousands of churches began to function. The Moscow Theological Academy Seminary, which had been closed since 1918, was re-opened.

    Between 1945 and 1959 the official organization of the church was greatly expanded, although individual members of the clergy were occasionally arrested and exiled. The number of open churches reached 25,000. By 1957 about 22,000 Russian Orthodox churches had become active. But in 1959 Nikita Khrushchev initiated his own campaign against the Russian Orthodox Church and forced the closure of about 12,000 churches. By 1985 fewer than 7,000 churches remained active. Members of the church hierarchy were jailed or forced out, their places taken by docile clergy, many of whom had ties with the KGB. This decline was evident from the dramatic decay of many of the abandoned churches and monasteries that were previously common in even the smallest villages from the pre-revolutionary period.
    [edit] Persecution under Khrushchev and Brezhnev

    A new and widespread persecution of the church was subsequently instituted under the leadership of Nikita Khrushchev and Leonid Brezhnev. A second round of repression, harassment and church closures took place between 1959 and 1964 during the rule of Nikita Khrushchev.

    The Church and the government remained on unfriendly terms until 1988. In practice, the most important aspect of this conflict was that openly religious people could not join the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, which meant that they could not hold any political office. However, among the general population, large numbers remained religious.

    Some Orthodox believers and even priests took part in the dissident movement and became prisoners of conscience. The Orthodox priests Gleb Yakunin, Sergiy Zheludkov and others spent years in Soviet prisons and exile for their efforts in defending freedom of worship.[31] Among the prominent figures of that time was Father Aleksandr Men. Although he tried to keep away from practical work of the dissident movement intending to better fulfil his calling as a priest, there was a spiritual link between Fr Aleksander and many of the dissidents. For some of them he was a friend, for others - a godfather, for many (including Yakunin) - spiritual father.[32]

    By 1987 the number of functioning churches in the Soviet Union had fallen to 6893 and the number of functioning monasteries to just 18. In 1987 in the Russian SFSR, between 40% and 50% of newborn babies (depending on the region) were baptized and over 60% of all deceased received Christian funeral services.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Orthodox_Church
  • Re: Lenin on Islam
     Reply #62 - September 29, 2010, 04:06 PM

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  • Re: Lenin on Islam
     Reply #63 - September 29, 2010, 04:13 PM

    Gulag:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulag
  • Re: Lenin on Islam
     Reply #64 - September 29, 2010, 04:33 PM

    Thanks for the wiki link, dumbass.

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Lenin on Islam
     Reply #65 - September 29, 2010, 04:57 PM

    @Tabun

    Lenin was an irredeemable vulgarian who sabotaged a sterling revolutionary moment in history to pursue his own partisan ends. No sooner had he seized the reigns of power he instantly moved to trample the democratic bodies of worker's councils underfoot with the enthusiasm of Crusaders sacking Jerusalem.

    On the heels of which followed a protracted reign of terror conducted by his personal security agency, the Cheka, which operated the Gulag system of mass imprisonment of dissidents of every imaginable political stripe, of Marxists, of mensheviks, of syndicalists, of all God's chillun that had the temerity to question the Red Czar.

    No more perfect distillation of the tyranny of Leninism is afforded than by the writings of prominent libertarian socialists who met with him a la Bertrand Russell, Emma Goldman, Rosa Luxemburg, Alexander Berkman all of whom discharge rounds of shrapnel at his Machiavellian creed.  Foolish is the man who worships this vile tyrant, this fraud, this mountebank unmatchable. From beginning to end Bolshevism was marked by gangsterism and when I am dictator, I propose to drag all such fools to the sewage plant and hurl them in, but I fear they may contaminate the sewage. Let Chomsky speak:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nz11K1wUbrc&feature=related

    Alexander Berkman: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bolshevik_Myth

    Emma Goldman: http://www.amazon.com/My-Disillusionment-Russia-Emma-Goldman/dp/048643270X






    thanx

    Confucius:
    "What you do not like done to yourself, do not unto others."
  • Re: Lenin on Islam
     Reply #66 - September 29, 2010, 06:29 PM

    Then why did the Soviets harass the Christian populace of Romania after they took it over. Richard Wurmbrand who was one of the Christians thrown in a Communist prison for preaching Christianity was in no way involved with any revolution or fighting against the Russians.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Wurmbrand


    Romania was taken over by the Soviets under Stalin-- which saw many dramatic differences in policy from both Bolshevist Russia prior to Lenin's death and successive leadership after Stalin's death. Even during Stalin's time there were wild and erratic shifts in policy (Stalin being the total nutjob he was), so you are cherry-picking shit from 74 years of history from the October Revolution to the collapse of the USSR in 1991. Which proves my point that you are grossly simplifying a very complex topic, largely because you are ignorant of it.

    As to the rest of your post-- I shit on Wikipedia's bullshit article. It hardly qualifies as either a comprehensive history or an insightful analysis. I've spent over a decade on the revolutionary left. I've read plenty both praising and criticizing the Bolsheviks-- criticism from the right and the left (and for the record, I'm no fan of Lenin or the Bolshevik Party who I think undermined the gains of the February Revolution)-- but hey, you read some Wikipedia articles and all of a sudden you're a fuckin expert. Care to tell me what dialectical materialism or Marx's labor theory of value are (without the help of google or Wikipedia)? Care to tell me what the party the UGT in Spain was affiliated with and their relationship to the anarchists and the Communist Party during the Spanish Civil War was? Do you know what Stalin's policy was during the Spanish Civil War? Trotsky's? What position did Yuri Andropov hold prior to being made General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union? What faction did the KGB support during the Rhodesian War? What kind of reforms did Krushschev make after Stalin's death? Who was Imre Nagy and what was his relationship to Tito? How did Communist Yugoslavia differ from the rest of Communist Eastern Europe? Who was Nestor Mahkno? What was the Kronsdadt Rebellion?

    I bet you can't answer fucking ONE of those things without looking it up. Why don't you go lecture abyunus2 on biology or Hassan on Arabic now?

    fuck you
  • Re: Lenin on Islam
     Reply #67 - September 29, 2010, 06:43 PM

    It's funny that you should say that because I said the exact same thing to Cheetah because she is a "bumpkin" who lives in a rural one pub Irish town, knows nothing about Islam and she has never met a black or Muslim person in her life. The pub in her village is prolly called "the Pub" lol. I mean she took at picture of her backyard and it had a fucking septic tank in it.

    But yet you defended her (which is fine) but now you use the same argument against QueenIsabel?

    Hypocrite?

    I think your behaviour is indicative of this "council" as a whole.


    INB4 Cheetah delets this post


    PS CHeetah...I know you would have loved to do more travelling lol. You may want to hop on an airplane for once in your life because I now you have never left that tiny island, let alone the tiny town you live in. omg u wasted your life



    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Lenin on Islam
     Reply #68 - September 29, 2010, 08:34 PM

    Romania was taken over by the Soviets under Stalin-- which saw many dramatic differences in policy from both Bolshevist Russia prior to Lenin's death and successive leadership after Stalin's death. Even during Stalin's time there were wild and erratic shifts in policy (Stalin being the total nutjob he was), so you are cherry-picking shit from 74 years of history from the October Revolution to the collapse of the USSR in 1991. Which proves my point that you are grossly simplifying a very complex topic, largely because you are ignorant of it.

    As to the rest of your post-- I shit on Wikipedia's bullshit article. It hardly qualifies as either a comprehensive history or an insightful analysis. I've spent over a decade on the revolutionary left. I've read plenty both praising and criticizing the Bolsheviks-- criticism from the right and the left (and for the record, I'm no fan of Lenin or the Bolshevik Party who I think undermined the gains of the February Revolution)-- but hey, you read some Wikipedia articles and all of a sudden you're a fuckin expert. Care to tell me what dialectical materialism or Marx's labor theory of value are (without the help of google or Wikipedia)? Care to tell me what the party the UGT in Spain was affiliated with and their relationship to the anarchists and the Communist Party during the Spanish Civil War was? Do you know what Stalin's policy was during the Spanish Civil War? Trotsky's? What position did Yuri Andropov hold prior to being made General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union? What faction did the KGB support during the Rhodesian War? What kind of reforms did Krushschev make after Stalin's death? Who was Imre Nagy and what was his relationship to Tito? How did Communist Yugoslavia differ from the rest of Communist Eastern Europe? Who was Nestor Mahkno? What was the Kronsdadt Rebellion?

    I bet you can't answer fucking ONE of those things without looking it up. Why don't you go lecture abyunus2 on biology or Hassan on Arabic now?


    Romania was taken over by the Soviets under Stalin-- which saw many dramatic differences in policy from both Bolshevist Russia prior to Lenin's death and successive leadership after Stalin's death. Even during Stalin's time there were wild and erratic shifts in policy (Stalin being the total nutjob he was), so you are cherry-picking shit from 74 years of history from the October Revolution to the collapse of the USSR in 1991. Which proves my point that you are grossly simplifying a very complex topic, largely because you are ignorant of it.

    As to the rest of your post-- I shit on Wikipedia's bullshit article. It hardly qualifies as either a comprehensive history or an insightful analysis. I've spent over a decade on the revolutionary left. I've read plenty both praising and criticizing the Bolsheviks-- criticism from the right and the left (and for the record, I'm no fan of Lenin or the Bolshevik Party who I think undermined the gains of the February Revolution)-- but hey, you read some Wikipedia articles and all of a sudden you're a fuckin expert. Care to tell me what dialectical materialism or Marx's labor theory of value are (without the help of google or Wikipedia)? Care to tell me what the party the UGT in Spain was affiliated with and their relationship to the anarchists and the Communist Party during the Spanish Civil War was? Do you know what Stalin's policy was during the Spanish Civil War? Trotsky's? What position did Yuri Andropov hold prior to being made General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union? What faction did the KGB support during the Rhodesian War? What kind of reforms did Krushschev make after Stalin's death? Who was Imre Nagy and what was his relationship to Tito? How did Communist Yugoslavia differ from the rest of Communist Eastern Europe? Who was Nestor Mahkno? What was the Kronsdadt Rebellion?

    I bet you can't answer fucking ONE of those things without looking it up. Why don't you go lecture abyunus2 on biology or Hassan on Arabic now?



    Yes professor Q-Man
  • Re: Lenin on Islam
     Reply #69 - September 29, 2010, 08:35 PM

    Nice retort, dipshit.

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Lenin on Islam
     Reply #70 - September 29, 2010, 08:45 PM

    ok i know i will get flammed but .. i mean if she wants to understand something . or anyone for that matter they are entitled to question and debate ... saying stuff like "nice report , dipshit" doesnt really, give much info or help anyone.. if u can add to our understandings and knowledge pls do .
    insulting begets a weak cause on most occasions

    from a neutral stance .. if making a case is by cursing and insulting i guess muslims will eventually rule.

    Confucius:
    "What you do not like done to yourself, do not unto others."
  • Re: Lenin on Islam
     Reply #71 - September 29, 2010, 08:47 PM

    Forget that, she's here to troll and leave one line stupidities, and not justify her ridiculous 'points' then flames is what she gets. Just look at her last reply "Yes professor Q-Man".. dipshit she is, an ignorant right wing christian troll.

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Lenin on Islam
     Reply #72 - September 29, 2010, 08:54 PM

    ok maybe the case i dont know the history  Smiley

    Confucius:
    "What you do not like done to yourself, do not unto others."
  • Re: Lenin on Islam
     Reply #73 - September 29, 2010, 08:57 PM

    .
  • Re: Lenin on Islam
     Reply #74 - September 29, 2010, 09:05 PM

    Forget that, she's here to troll and leave one line stupidities, and not justify her ridiculous 'points' then flames is what she gets. Just look at her last reply "Yes professor Q-Man".. dipshit she is, an ignorant right wing christian troll.


    That's right Prof. Q-Man's Assistant I am ignorant right-wing Christian troll in need of enlightenment.
  • Re: Lenin on Islam
     Reply #75 - September 29, 2010, 10:15 PM

    if making a case is by cursing and insulting i guess muslims will eventually rule.


    Its one method we're taught in Mosque basements, the other is smacking idiots until, well until muslims eventually rule.


    "By the One in Whose Hand my soul is, were you not to commit sins, Allah would replace you with a people who would commit sins and then seek forgiveness from Allah; and Allah would forgive them." [Saheeh Muslim]

    "Wherever you are, death will find you, Even in the looming tower."
    - Quran 4:78
  • Re: Lenin on Islam
     Reply #76 - September 29, 2010, 10:49 PM

     very true ... u never curse jews , christians, americans ... it must be me, my head hearing sounds and stuff !!
    u act as if i have never been to a friday mosque's prayer  in riyadh nor one in egypt !!
    a shaf3 and watr prayer during ramadan , praying against jews, christians and the west  (enemies of islam)
    u act as if i have not seen signs held in rallies inside egypt .. a mentality that cant diffrentiate between jews and israeli, christianity and the west ... so yes bigot u do insult and curse based on ignorance and arrogance

    i wont mention the news cause thats propaganda u will say... but hey u probably know more about muslims than a once devoted arab muslim ,guess not so shut it!!

    Confucius:
    "What you do not like done to yourself, do not unto others."
  • Re: Lenin on Islam
     Reply #77 - September 30, 2010, 12:06 AM

    It's funny that you should say that because I said the exact same thing to Cheetah because she is a "bumpkin" who lives in a rural one pub Irish town, knows nothing about Islam and she has never met a black or Muslim person in her life. The pub in her village is prolly called "the Pub" lol. I mean she took at picture of her backyard and it had a fucking septic tank in it.

    But yet you defended her (which is fine) but now you use the same argument against QueenIsabel?

    Hypocrite?

    I think your behaviour is indicative of this "council" as a whole.


    INB4 Cheetah delets this post


    PS CHeetah...I know you would have loved to do more travelling lol. You may want to hop on an airplane for once in your life because I now you have never left that tiny island, let alone the tiny town you live in. omg u wasted your life

     ban hammer incoming.

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Lenin on Islam
     Reply #78 - September 30, 2010, 12:14 AM

    why does he even care ??

    he is like an opportunist  waiting for the first mistake .

    Confucius:
    "What you do not like done to yourself, do not unto others."
  • Re: Lenin on Islam
     Reply #79 - October 01, 2010, 08:47 AM

    but hey u probably know more about muslims than a once devoted arab muslim ,guess not so shut it!!


    Absolutely, you present a caricature. Next you'll be lecturing me on Taqqiya like some other ex-muslims who automatically become "experts" on Islam on Muslims but get all their information from jwatch and FFI.

    Spare me, bud.


    "By the One in Whose Hand my soul is, were you not to commit sins, Allah would replace you with a people who would commit sins and then seek forgiveness from Allah; and Allah would forgive them." [Saheeh Muslim]

    "Wherever you are, death will find you, Even in the looming tower."
    - Quran 4:78
  • Re: Lenin on Islam
     Reply #80 - October 01, 2010, 11:24 AM

    Uhhh so what about Lenin?
    Mustafa Kemal made an appeal to muslims and bolshevics when he started fighting the Greeks does that mean they had an easy time after that?

    In theory they should have left the rich alone. In practice they shot them, raped their wives, deported the priests to Siberia and stored corn in the churches. Well they would have if they wouldn't have been such piss poor administrators.
    I really don't know what they did to Muslims, but jews got the short end of the stick. And that's really fucking strange when you consider how many jews were communists.
    What about Enver Hoxa? His policy on religious tolerance was commendable.
    It's not that hard to figure out. Bolshevism is riddled with petite bourgeoisie ambitions and obsession.
    Troţki said it ... So did Panait Istrati.
     

     
  • Re: Lenin on Islam
     Reply #81 - October 01, 2010, 04:04 PM

    Absolutely, you present a caricature. Next you'll be lecturing me on Taqqiya like some other ex-muslims who automatically become "experts" on Islam on Muslims but get all their information from jwatch and FFI.

    Spare me, bud.

    .


     Omg , how have u figured that out ?

    i am from egypt , born a muslim to muslim parents in an islamic country.

    so yes , i can lecture u on alot of stuff regarding religion, muslim's mentalities and even arabic . pick ur topic

    Confucius:
    "What you do not like done to yourself, do not unto others."
  • Re: Lenin on Islam
     Reply #82 - October 01, 2010, 07:15 PM

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    tabun

     Omg , how have u figured that out ?

    i am from egypt , born a muslim to muslim parents in an islamic country.

    so yes , i can lecture u on alot of stuff regarding religion, muslim's mentalities and even arabic . pick ur topic


    I'm willing to hear you give a lecture.
  • Re: Lenin on Islam
     Reply #83 - October 11, 2010, 08:39 AM

    When did I say I was a capitalist?

    LOL -  Islam was basically outlawed under Soviet rule (one of the reasons you had basmachis in Central Asia).

     

    The Ortodox church was dismantled because of its support to the tsarists
    Islam was not outlawed at first (with Lenin and Trotsky applying Marxism with recuperation of the oppressed religious minorities) Muslims were protected because they had been suffering persecution by the tsarist but eventually with the economical situation under Lenin rule the economy was so bad that when Stalin came into power with a centralised bureaucracy the persecution of the Muslims and Jews resumed.

    Many Muslims die then and the Soviet fu@#d them up again with 1967 war against Israel when they told Egypt they would support them but fail to do so still Muslims can't get it and regularly are going to bed with the communists and endorse their anti western stance without realising that they would suffer far more under socialo/communist regime than under western democracy. parrot
     Anyway serve them right for being downright ignorant of the world history (including their own) and concentrating on moh's wifes, hadiths and koran that take too much space in their reptilian brain so any other information never settles.
      grin12 grin12 grin12

    If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten.
    George Carlin
  • Re: Lenin on Islam
     Reply #84 - October 12, 2010, 02:10 AM

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    STARSW

    Many Muslims die then and the Soviet fu@#d them up again with 1967 war against Israel when they told Egypt they would support them but fail to do so still Muslims can't get it and regularly are going to bed with the communists and endorse their anti western stance without

     

    What was the relationship between the Soviets and the Egyptian government like during that time?
  • Re: Lenin on Islam
     Reply #85 - October 12, 2010, 02:55 AM

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    What was the relationship between the Soviets and the Egyptian government like during that time?


    For what I know Egypt and Syria were both socialist country (president Nasser of egypt was known for is pro soviet politic) both countries were armed by the soviets It is in (June??) 1967 that the Soviet passed on the intelligence (false intelligence) to the Syrian government that Israel was gathering troups at their border The syrian /egyptien had signed a treaty to defend each other in case of attack. The rule of the Soviet was not very clear it seems that they pushed Nasser to attack Israel with promise of more armement while still playing a role with the UN and US for keeping the peace.
    Still now it is impossible to know exactly what happened (recent released documents from Soviet intelligence contradict each other) except that may be Nasser saw the possibility to gain superiority over Syria and to become the leader of the Arab world.
    The egyptian air force was anihilated Egypt Jordan and Syria lost to Israel in less than a week (six days war), redifining the borders. When nasser died in 1970 Sadat came into power and established close links with the US and diplomatic links with Israel.

    Still now Syria an lybia have close links with Russia.

    To me the communist tend to use the palestinian conflict to oppose the Us and Israel but would not really put themself at risk to defend the muslims.


    If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten.
    George Carlin
  • Re: Lenin on Islam
     Reply #86 - October 12, 2010, 03:22 AM

    Thanks
  • Re: Lenin on Islam
     Reply #87 - August 12, 2011, 08:32 PM

     bump

    Yeah an I am super ugly, I can't even beat my chest am too skinny and when I roaaar to attract women, they laugh at me, because it sounds like a girl screaming. I can't even attract any bitches!  Cry

  • Re: Lenin on Islam
     Reply #88 - August 12, 2011, 08:43 PM

    Ha, I was awesome in this thread

    Formerly known as Iblis
  • Re: Lenin on Islam
     Reply #89 - August 12, 2011, 08:44 PM

    Nice retort, dipshit.


     dance

    Formerly known as Iblis
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