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 Topic: Atheist Censorship

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  • Re: Atheist Censorship
     Reply #180 - April 15, 2011, 11:44 PM

    I think the point I am making is that we will always have new phenomena to incorporate into our understanding of the world. 'Miracles' can be seen as those new phenomena.

    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: Atheist Censorship
     Reply #181 - April 16, 2011, 12:13 AM

    @Ishina

    I can't do this anymore.

    You have it in your head that "God" is a valid explanation for something or other, at this point I'm not even sure what, and that there is more reason to believe gods exist than believe fairies exist. The evidence for either of these things isn't gonna surface anytime soon, and at this rate of progress I think I can safely assume that the evidence doesn't even exist, and that both these things wouldn't even be on the table if we had not come from ignorant origins where imagination ran wild in the massive void of what was unknown.

    You are welcome to believe what you want to believe. I can't stop you living in a fantasy world, but you can't drag me into it with you.


    And you don't have to.

    The idea of God as an explanatory hypothesis wasn't really ever a central contention of mine here, it was simply something that came into the discussion with you're going off on tangents.

    And I don't necessarily say that gods are, by default, more likely than fairies, just that a god, of some kind, may very well exist, and its existence is more probable than that of fairies. Not all conceptions of God are equally likely or unlikely.

    And there is still a massive void of the unknown, and it's unwise to think that people who live nowadays are necessarily wiser than those who lived thousands of years ago. The Buddha was not a fool, but many who live today most definitely are.

    As for living in a fantasy, I'm not really even trying to substantiate the existence of something here, just to show that such a thing as God is indeed possible, and this is in line with my first contention that it is presumptuous to assert the non-existence of God, without knowledge.
  • Re: Atheist Censorship
     Reply #182 - April 16, 2011, 12:48 AM

    And I don't necessarily say that gods are, by default, more likely than fairies, just that a god, of some kind, may very well exist, and its existence is more probable than that of fairies Not all conceptions of God are equally likely or unlikely.


    Jut about covered all bases there.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Atheist Censorship
     Reply #183 - April 16, 2011, 02:42 AM

    I think the point I am making is that we will always have new phenomena to incorporate into our understanding of the world. 'Miracles' can be seen as those new phenomena.

    Yes, you can take that view and it's a valid one as far as it goes. It's not quite what was being talked about originally though. The original point was that religions do  make claims that are miraculous, in the sense that they are portrayed as noteworthy and evidence of divine intervention precisely because they contravene natural laws. Note that I am talking about the perspective of the authors and the believers themselves. Without that perceived contravention of natural laws there would be nothing remarkable about the events portrayed, and therefore they could not be used as support for the existence and intervention of a particular deity.

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  • Re: Atheist Censorship
     Reply #184 - April 16, 2011, 03:02 AM

    Yes, you can take that view and it's a valid one as far as it goes. It's not quite what was being talked about originally though. The original point was that religions do  make claims that are miraculous, in the sense that they are portrayed as noteworthy and evidence of divine intervention precisely because they contravene natural laws. Note that I am talking about the perspective of the authors and the believers themselves. Without that perceived contravention of natural laws there would be nothing remarkable about the events portrayed, and therefore they could not be used as support for the existence and intervention of a particular deity.


    I agree with you. Like I said above, I don't think miracles provide a very good case for religion. My contention was just that it seems tautologous to define miracles anyway, apart from their religious usage.

    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: Atheist Censorship
     Reply #185 - April 16, 2011, 02:31 PM

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  • Re: Atheist Censorship
     Reply #186 - April 16, 2011, 02:44 PM

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  • Re: Atheist Censorship
     Reply #187 - April 16, 2011, 03:42 PM

    This guy is a theist and he got the boot from Dawkins' website for calling him on his chickening out of debating William Lane Craig. Even 'rational' people censor views they don't like, it would seem.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYKc54E1eMg&feature=feedf


    He did call him a lousy philosopher, so he was at least broader line trolling.   
  • Re: Atheist Censorship
     Reply #188 - April 16, 2011, 04:08 PM

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  • Re: Atheist Censorship
     Reply #189 - April 16, 2011, 04:14 PM

    This guy is a theist and he got the boot from Dawkins' website for calling him on his chickening out of debating William Lane Craig. Even 'rational' people censor views they don't like, it would seem.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYKc54E1eMg&feature=feedf

    Ironically, the creator of that video has disabled normal comments. He is only approving supportive comments.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Atheist Censorship
     Reply #190 - April 16, 2011, 04:15 PM

    Why should Dawkins debate on a theological subjects? that is not even his area! Why doesn't Lane debate Dawkins on evolution for example? Moreover aside from doing interviews for educational reasons Dawkins does not need to 'debate' this faithhead apologetic and give him credence.
  • Re: Atheist Censorship
     Reply #191 - April 16, 2011, 04:18 PM

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  • Re: Atheist Censorship
     Reply #192 - April 16, 2011, 04:33 PM

    ^ Why theology? Because he wrote a book on the subject. He's been doing the rounds of the lecture circuit shooting arrows at the high gods.


    So now he should debate every apologetic faithhead out there? I do not see your point. Yes Dawkins has shot arrows at religious apologist's and the subject in general to educate people. We know all religions are false and man made, why would Dawkins want to get into a debate with someone who is an expert at debating an manipulating the audience? and in turn eventually bring the level of debate down to a point where he is going to "win" using logical fallacies, and semantics.
  • Re: Atheist Censorship
     Reply #193 - April 16, 2011, 04:41 PM

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  • Re: Atheist Censorship
     Reply #194 - April 16, 2011, 04:47 PM

    Ironically, the creator of that video has disabled normal comments. He is only approving supportive comments.


    Ironically, hypocritically...........

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Atheist Censorship
     Reply #195 - April 16, 2011, 04:53 PM

    LOL@Every Faithhead

    The Dawk is not shy of crossing swords over theology Tut. He does it frequently. And continues to the present. It is not a banning offence to enquire why he stalwartly refuses to engage the premier Christer apologist.


    Think he was banned by a moderator, to be fair I think Dawkins would have been quite happy to carry on the discussion, I can't envisage Dawkins being that petty.
  • Re: Atheist Censorship
     Reply #196 - April 16, 2011, 04:55 PM

    .rvel at.
  • Re: Atheist Censorship
     Reply #197 - April 16, 2011, 05:13 PM

    I see.
  • Re: Atheist Censorship
     Reply #198 - April 16, 2011, 05:26 PM

    galloway did murder him on that debate I watched it some time back.
  • Re: Atheist Censorship
     Reply #199 - April 16, 2011, 05:41 PM

    ..
  • Re: Atheist Censorship
     Reply #200 - April 16, 2011, 05:57 PM

    Cancer Man

    Is that supposed to be funny?

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Atheist Censorship
     Reply #201 - April 16, 2011, 06:15 PM

    How far removed is that from marking dissenting comments as spam or mass flagging material which breaks no rules or deploying vote bots to dilute the number of viewers a video receives? It's the infowars. All God's chillun do it. Nothing to marvel at.


    I didn't say it in a surprising way, more in a factual way. 

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Atheist Censorship
     Reply #202 - April 16, 2011, 06:16 PM

    galloway did murder him on that debate I watched it some time back.


    lol no. 

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Atheist Censorship
     Reply #203 - April 16, 2011, 06:32 PM

    And I don't necessarily say that gods are, by default, more likely than fairies, just that a god, of some kind, may very well exist, and its existence is more probable than that of fairies.

    On this particular Ex-Muslim forum and amongst this predominantly Ex-Theist crowd, it is reasonable to assume that when you invoke the word God you are speaking of a typical God unless you notify people otherwise. That is, when you speak of God, you mean a deity of some kind, a supernatural anthropomorphic entity, typically one that had a hand in the creation of the universe or oversees a certain aspect of it, and typically one that is documented and worshiped in the traditions of a known religion. We could assume you are speaking of the entity that ancient clerics and superstitionists decided to call “Allah” or “Yahweh” unless you say otherwise. Agreed?

    Not all conceptions of God are equally likely or unlikely.

    You could define God as this cup of hot black coffee sitting in front of me, and I would acknowledge the existence of that thing you refer to as God and that I refer to as a cup of hot black coffee.

    As long as we understand that I’m not acknowledging the existence of anything out of the ordinary and that I am in fact acknowledging the existence of the thing I call a cup of hot black coffee. I would only call it God when speaking with you, or think about it as God when you say the word God. I wouldn’t expect anyone except you to understand I meant this hot cup of hot black coffee when I said God.

    This in no way increases the likelihood of the existence of what is most commonly known as God.

    And there is still a massive void of the unknown, and it's unwise to think that people who live nowadays are necessarily wiser than those who lived thousands of years ago. The Buddha was not a fool, but many who live today most definitely are.

    The body of knowledge we have to draw upon is obviously much more comprehensive now than it was thousands of years ago. Science has a far more encompassing understanding of the universe than it did thousands of years ago. We know things to more decimal places of certainty than we did thousands of years ago.

    It isn’t unwise to think people would be wiser than those who lived thousands of years ago if they were better educated.

    As for living in a fantasy, I'm not really even trying to substantiate the existence of something here, just to show that such a thing as God is indeed possible, and this is in line with my first contention that it is presumptuous to assert the non-existence of God, without knowledge.

    It’s the kind of contention that becomes redundant when posed as a question. As a question, you could put it: If there was evidence of a thing, would there be evidence of a thing?

    “Once again, we have hit philosophical bedrock with the shovel of a stupid question”
    ~ Sam Harris

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Atheist Censorship
     Reply #204 - April 16, 2011, 07:01 PM

    Is that supposed to be funny?


    Well it does show that not only the religious are ass holes so in an off handed way improves his point. 

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Atheist Censorship
     Reply #205 - April 16, 2011, 09:47 PM

    derp derp

    I asked you if calling a man who is dying of cancer ‘Cancer Man’ was supposed to be funny. To which you reply with your typical diarrhea of the words, constipation of any actual relevance.

    Just forget I asked. I didn’t expect a straight answer from you anyway and this thread has already turned into yet another Mount A Bison cartoon clusterfuck. 

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Atheist Censorship
     Reply #206 - April 16, 2011, 09:48 PM

    'Scuse me for a minute, folks. I'm going to split out the fine tuning argument posts to a new thread. You can consider this to be deliberate fine tuning of forum content and evidence of conscious design. Wink

    ETA: If such things proliferate, I may also split out cartoon clusterfucks. This thread's lot have been split to here, as a notice of staff intent in future cases. We are of the opinion that we have been to lenient on such matters for too long, and have decided to create a specific thread for them.

    This topic is open for business again. Discussion about fune tuning has been split to here.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Atheist Censorship
     Reply #207 - April 16, 2011, 10:59 PM

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  • Re: Atheist Censorship
     Reply #208 - April 16, 2011, 11:03 PM

    I used to like Sam Harris, but Sam Harris is just a neo-con (taqqiyah) cunt like Hichkens. I promised myself never to buy hickens books.
  • Re: Atheist Censorship
     Reply #209 - April 16, 2011, 11:11 PM

    I love DAWKINS though, can't mess with the DAWKINS!

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