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     Reply #120 - March 30, 2013, 03:08 PM
    A List of “Men’s Rights” Issues That Feminism Is Already Working On
    notes.husk.org


    From Lindy West’s post for Jezebel, “If I Admit That ‘Hating Men’ Is a Thing, Will You Stop Turning It Into a Self-Fulfilling Prophecy?”, a list:

    • Feminists do not want you to lose custody of your children. The assumption that women are naturally better caregivers is part of patriarchy.
    • Feminists do not like commercials in which bumbling dads mess up the laundry and competent wives have to bustle in and fix it. The assumption that women are naturally better housekeepers is part of patriarchy.
    • Feminists do not want you to have to make alimony payments. Alimony is set up to combat the fact that women have been historically expected to prioritize domestic duties over professional goals, thus minimizing their earning potential if their “traditional” marriages end. The assumption that wives should make babies instead of money is part of patriarchy.
    • Feminists do not want anyone to get raped in prison. Permissiveness and jokes about prison rape are part of rape culture, which is part of patriarchy.
    • Feminists do not want anyone to be falsely accused of rape. False rape accusations discredit rape victims, which reinforces rape culture, which is part of patriarchy.
    • Feminists do not want you to be lonely and we do not hate “nice guys.” The idea that certain people are inherently more valuable than other people because of superficial physical attributes is part of patriarchy.
    • Feminists do not want you to have to pay for dinner. We want the opportunity to achieve financial success on par with men in any field we choose (and are qualified for), and the fact that we currently don’t is part of patriarchy. The idea that men should coddle and provide for women, and/or purchase their affections in romantic contexts, is condescending and damaging and part of patriarchy.
    • Feminists do not want you to be maimed or killed in industrial accidents, or toil in coal mines while we do cushy secretarial work and various yarn-themed activities. The fact that women have long been shut out of dangerous industrial jobs (by men, by the way) is part of patriarchy.
    • Feminists do not want you to commit suicide. Any pressures and expectations that lower the quality of life of either gender are part of patriarchy. The fact that depression is characterized as an effeminate weakness, making men less likely to seek treatment, is part of patriarchy.
    • Feminists do not want you to be viewed with suspicion when you take your child to the park (men frequently insist that this is a serious issue, so I will take them at their word). The assumption that men are insatiable sexual animals, combined with the idea that it’s unnatural for men to care for children, is part of patriarchy.
    • Feminists do not want you to be drafted and then die in a war while we stay home and iron stuff. The idea that women are too weak to fight or too delicate to function in a military setting is part of patriarchy.
    • Feminists do not want women to escape prosecution on legitimate domestic violence charges, nor do we want men to be ridiculed for being raped or abused. The idea that women are naturally gentle and compliant and that victimhood is inherently feminine is part of patriarchy.
    • Feminists hate patriarchy. We do not hate you.
         
  • The Objectification Of Men In Media
     Reply #121 - March 30, 2013, 04:43 PM
    Quote from: Abood on March 30, 2013, 03:08 PM
    A List of “Men’s Rights” Issues That Feminism Is Already Working On
    notes.husk.org


    From Lindy West’s post for Jezebel, “If I Admit That ‘Hating Men’ Is a Thing, Will You Stop Turning It Into a Self-Fulfilling Prophecy?”, a list:

    • Feminists do not want you to lose custody of your children. The assumption that women are naturally better caregivers is part of patriarchy.
    • Feminists do not like commercials in which bumbling dads mess up the laundry and competent wives have to bustle in and fix it. The assumption that women are naturally better housekeepers is part of patriarchy.
    • Feminists do not want you to have to make alimony payments. Alimony is set up to combat the fact that women have been historically expected to prioritize domestic duties over professional goals, thus minimizing their earning potential if their “traditional” marriages end. The assumption that wives should make babies instead of money is part of patriarchy.
    • Feminists do not want anyone to get raped in prison. Permissiveness and jokes about prison rape are part of rape culture, which is part of patriarchy.
    • Feminists do not want anyone to be falsely accused of rape. False rape accusations discredit rape victims, which reinforces rape culture, which is part of patriarchy.
    • Feminists do not want you to be lonely and we do not hate “nice guys.” The idea that certain people are inherently more valuable than other people because of superficial physical attributes is part of patriarchy.
    • Feminists do not want you to have to pay for dinner. We want the opportunity to achieve financial success on par with men in any field we choose (and are qualified for), and the fact that we currently don’t is part of patriarchy. The idea that men should coddle and provide for women, and/or purchase their affections in romantic contexts, is condescending and damaging and part of patriarchy.
    • Feminists do not want you to be maimed or killed in industrial accidents, or toil in coal mines while we do cushy secretarial work and various yarn-themed activities. The fact that women have long been shut out of dangerous industrial jobs (by men, by the way) is part of patriarchy.
    • Feminists do not want you to commit suicide. Any pressures and expectations that lower the quality of life of either gender are part of patriarchy. The fact that depression is characterized as an effeminate weakness, making men less likely to seek treatment, is part of patriarchy.
    • Feminists do not want you to be viewed with suspicion when you take your child to the park (men frequently insist that this is a serious issue, so I will take them at their word). The assumption that men are insatiable sexual animals, combined with the idea that it’s unnatural for men to care for children, is part of patriarchy.
    • Feminists do not want you to be drafted and then die in a war while we stay home and iron stuff. The idea that women are too weak to fight or too delicate to function in a military setting is part of patriarchy.
    • Feminists do not want women to escape prosecution on legitimate domestic violence charges, nor do we want men to be ridiculed for being raped or abused. The idea that women are naturally gentle and compliant and that victimhood is inherently feminine is part of patriarchy.
    • Feminists hate patriarchy. We do not hate you.
         



    Exactly Afro
    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • The Objectification Of Men In Media
     Reply #122 - March 30, 2013, 04:53 PM
    In a thread about the sexual objectification of men, it's funny how the only pictures posted were again, the objectification of women.

    Kind of puts the problem into perspective.

    The new hot to aspire to is to be toned, like the pictures posted.

    Don't over bulk though ladies, that's a turn off.  Don't be fat, don't be skinny, just be like the images posted.

    This thread was actually pretty interesting, I think Abood summed up my thinking on the matter, and so well.   Afro

    But again, thread was interesting in that it quickly turned into the physical ideal women should aspire to, with pictures, and "pass me the lotion" comments to help give non toned and non athletic girls a new body to aim for. 
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • The Objectification Of Men In Media
     Reply #123 - March 30, 2013, 05:05 PM
    So, I’m not sure I have a point here, but I’ll write what I’m thinking right now.

     As a guy, I honestly don’t spend too much time thinking about my looks. I shower, I wear deodorant, I get hair cuts, and that’s about it. I like all different sorts of women, and if a woman doesn’t like me, I don’t stress out about it too much. I am me. I act like me. I dress like me. I talk like me. If a woman likes that and I like her, great. If not, I don’t lose sleep over it.

    I’m not sure, but I get the sense that this thread is making men seem like victims of some sinister plot  crafted by women to make them fit into a certain unachievable standard. I also get the feeling that some women feel this pressure too from the opposite direction. I don’t know why I can’t relate to those feelings. I just honestly can not. 
  • The Objectification Of Men In Media
     Reply #124 - March 30, 2013, 10:11 PM
    Stop making sense.  yes

    Also:

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    I shower, I wear deodorant, I get hair cuts,

    Bloody poofter.  Tongue
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • The Objectification Of Men In Media
     Reply #125 - March 31, 2013, 01:19 PM
    If you visit PUA/MRA sites, the prevailing attitude appears to be that women are all the same (we're sometimes referred to as "fembots") and the same tricks and manipulation WILL work -- without fail -- on ALL teh bitchez. Women are all conniving, evil whores by nature and they WILL -- with *few* exceptions -- cheat on you, divorce you and steal your money as soon as a more "alpha" male comes along. They even have a cute sarcastic acronym to throw at their detractors who argue that women aren't a monolith: NAWALT (Not All Women Are Like That). 

    I've seen more than once a guy lamenting why his PUA tricks didn't work on a particular girl (one was a middle-aged man hitting on a woman in her early 20s no less Cheesy), and him being told that she's just a "prude" or an "uppity slut" or his "Game" isn't good enough. You could be as unattractive and unremarkable as possible in every single way but as long as you've got "Game" (you have to pay these PUA "gurus" for DVDs, seminars and boot camps to learn "Game" btw) you can get ANY and EVERY girl you want. Also, many are into traditional values (but only for women) + "men spreading their seed" so if you fuck him, you're a "dirty, worthless whore" but if you don't you're a "bitch". 

    There's also an obsession with alpha/beta males, cuckoldry (an epidemic and a crime worse than rape), paternity fraud (another epidemic), false rape accusations (you guessed it, it's an epidemic), workplace sexual harassment laws (you could get whipped with a complaint if you so much as touch a woman on the arm), hypergamy, single-urban-childless-feminist-career-sluts-who-use-the-government-as-a-substitute-alpha-male (aka the women who have the chutzpah to refuse to sleep with me), single mothers (a bunch of sluts who deliberately got pregnant so they could become millionaires through child support). Oh, and there is a special place in hell for female lawyers Cheesy No idea what's so particularly awful about female lawyers. 

    Just a week surfing the "manosphere" and I noticed most of the big players in the "men's movement" are divorcees, "playas" and guys with mummy issues. I'm not even kidding, some would go on about how their single mothers were bitches who had fucked them up for life. It literally only took me a week to see the MRM as a cesspit of angry, bitter men who hate women. Nothing to see there, folks. 
  • The Objectification Of Men In Media
     Reply #126 - March 31, 2013, 01:24 PM
    Found the following gems on mainstream MRA/PUA sites:

    I love this one Cheesy Cheesy It's so full of fail, and just plain dafuq wacko
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    Meh. Islam is just another female supremacist cult of gynocentrism Cheesy and male expendability. They obsess over ‘protecting female virtue’ all the time. Middle Eastern countries are terrible places for young men.


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    At the end of the day, I’d say a man’s honor is more defined by what happens to his woman’s body than what happens to his own.


    Why raping a man is worse than raping a woman:
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    Use a man as a woman, and you are vandalizing him as a man – he is no longer useful as a man. Use a woman as a woman, and she is still useful as a woman.


    Not sure what he means by "choice over reproduction":
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    Women shouldn’t have choice over reproduction. For when they have that choice, they ABUSE IT. History shows this time, and time, and time yet again. But ignorant people continue to ignore history.


    Nothing will get her wetter than a few slaps. It's evo psych 101 yo! 
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    A hit across the face, because it is an unabashed demonstration of male power, will trigger stronger orgasms in many otherwise normal women. I have observed this phenomenon myself. Think of a slap as Viagra for women. Lubed up for a long evening of hot sex!


    Quote
    The problem with hitting women (and I’m talking hard here, the way they want it, not a cutesy little bitch slap) is often not so much the legal consequences (especially if you aren’t married, of course), but that most upper-middle-class people just see it as white trash behavior, period. It’s just not a wise move in terms of potential loss of status within most desirable social circles, unless you’re confident your girl won’t tell all her friends, which I would never be with any woman.


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    Is there an evolutionary advantage to choosing a guy like Chris Brown to father one’s children for women?


    From the man who said that cuckolded men can't be blamed for killing their cheating wives/girlfriends:
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    I don’t have a casual attitude towards male adultery. I just don’t have an entirely prohibitory view about it. Male adultery, if done discreetly and without abandoning the wife emotionally or sexually shouldn't be grounds for divorce. 


    There's a lot of crazy racists and people who take biology/evo psych a bit too seriously: 
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    Medical field? Helping the diseased survive to be able to reproduce benefits society? Really? Hmm.. I disagree. What the world needs is healthy beautiful white children. 


    "Patrick Bateman" (real username) had this to say:
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    Any man who doubts the sexual power of physical violence should slap and/or choke his girlfriend the next time he’s fucking her. She’ll be dripping wet.


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    All women have a genetic predisposition to cuckold, i.e. all women are thieves.
    All women have a genetic predisposition to be hypergamous, i.e. all women are whores.
    The only fair play in all of this appears to be pump and dump!


    Cheesy @ this one. 
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    I mean date rape should include men who under the influence of alcohol slept with fat girls they would’ve never slept with if they were in a position of giving consent.

  • The Objectification Of Men In Media
     Reply #127 - March 31, 2013, 01:26 PM
     wacko wacko  OMFG that is disgusting. 
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • The Objectification Of Men In Media
     Reply #128 - March 31, 2013, 01:39 PM
    ^ Would you believe it's just the tip of the iceberg and the mainstream? I didn't even get into the dark fringes. It's not for the faint-hearted. I was constantly yelling at my computer screen. 
     
    @ abood's list

    Tbh, I'm not so sure about contemporary Western feminism's tendency to blame all of society's ills on the "patriarchy". It's like a conspiracy theory and a bit of a cop-out.  

    I don't see anything wrong with men having their own rights movement or men's issues being addressed as part of a generic human rights movement or even under feminism. It would've been cool and I would've been okay with it if it were really about addressing issues/inequalities men face (eg: child custody, divorce, workplace injuries, gender stereotypes etc) and I'm sure feminists and even the general populace would get behind it but too much MRM material is just ranting about feminism, and sometimes women in general. To top it off, a bit like how Marxists and hardcore leftists are embraced by feminists; racists, white supremacists, social Darwinists, anarcho-capitalists and right-wing nuts are embraced by the MRM. It's almost like they seek to be the exact opposite of feminism in every way. 
  • The Objectification Of Men In Media
     Reply #129 - March 31, 2013, 01:49 PM
    Those are not all of society's ills and it's not a conspiracy theory. A conspiracy is an intentional act, a plan. Patriarchy is not. That's what makes it all the more insidious.

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    or even under feminism.

    That's kind of the point the article is making.
  • The Objectification Of Men In Media
     Reply #130 - March 31, 2013, 01:50 PM
    Feminism is fragmented though, not unitary.  We can't really say that feminism embraces certain theoretical viewpoints, or at least I feel it's better to view it as some feminists, lean in other directions.

    The only thing feminists share is a belief in women's rights, and the desire to fight for them, just some have different grounding for where and who to bring the battle to.  Capitalism, patriarchy, just flavours, not something feminists are responsible for embracing.

    It's the same as atheism, the only sure thing shared is the disbelief in god, but atheism itself is not responsible as a movement for embracing marxist, radical or liberal frameworks.

    I see myself as a feminist, but that's where my similarity with other feminist viewpoints may end, not that I am now a believer in this, this or this.

    I agree with you though, attacking feminism weakens what is actually a very very fair belief, that there are male gender issues that do need to be addressed. It won't happen in my lifetime, but my hope is that one day a society does form, in which it is good to be a man, and not be hated for it, and good to be a woman and not be hated for it.  But just to be humans, facing the same struggles, pouring energy into the future instead of continuously being caught in a battle of the sexes.  Shame I won't live to see it.

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • The Objectification Of Men In Media
     Reply #131 - March 31, 2013, 01:50 PM
    @abood
    I didn't read the article, just the list you posted. What exactly is the "patriarchy" then?
  • The Objectification Of Men In Media
     Reply #132 - March 31, 2013, 01:54 PM
    @Berbs
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    I see myself as a feminist, but that's where my similarity with other feminist viewpoints may end, not that I am now a believer in this, this or this.

    Same. I'm a feminist as per the dictionary definition of the word and that's about it. You kinda have to be a feminist once you've been through Islam. I'm probably a hardcore feminazi by Muslim standards and the misogyny and sexism in Islam (in particular sex slavery) was what first got me questioning the religion. I just don't seem to care too much for a whole lot of third-wave feminism.
  • The Objectification Of Men In Media
     Reply #133 - March 31, 2013, 01:59 PM
    Yup.   yes

    I remember reading that it takes experiencing intense subjugation due to your gender to give birth to a feminist, not just subtle experiences of sexism such as many experiences in the west these days, and Islam gave us more than just a subtle taste of sexism, it filled that bucket of subjugation to the brim.

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • The Objectification Of Men In Media
     Reply #134 - March 31, 2013, 02:04 PM
    Patriarchy is a social system where men are empowered over women and receive preferential treatment, where men are expected to be strong and independent and women expected to serve them, whether sexually or economically, etc. It's a cultural phenomenon, not an intentional act. It's not like the men of the world sit together and plan how to dominate women.
  • The Objectification Of Men In Media
     Reply #135 - March 31, 2013, 02:17 PM
    I believe in third-wave feminism because it works towards the deconstruction of gender roles, and as someone who has been bullied throughout my life due to my gender performativity, I think it necessary to end the whole gender game because it's all a load of crap.

    I'm not (nor is third-wave feminism) saying that we should all stop acting gender, because that's not possible. What we're saying is that being born with certain genitals doesn't predestine you to be a certain gender, and gender is certainly more complex than to be a man or to be a woman.

    Even my father and some of my friends used to harass and bully me about not being "man" enough. One day, after growing really sick of it, I did something that prompted my father to tell me to be a man (for the millionth time), and I finally had the power to tell him I don't want to. He got incredibly pissed off, because if there's one thing worse than not being a man, it's recognizing that the whole thing is a sham and you actually do have a choice to not participate in it.

    You're right that "it takes experiencing intense subjugation due to your gender to give birth to a feminist," and that's exactly why I am one.
  • The Objectification Of Men In Media
     Reply #136 - March 31, 2013, 02:18 PM
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    social system where men are empowered over women and receive preferential treatment, where men are expected to be strong and independent and women expected to serve them, whether sexually or economically, etc.

    That's just it; I don't believe that's the case in Australia. I don't see how men receive preferential treatment or are empowered over women. Sure, men are still expected to be strong and independent (and perhaps the macho culture should be addressed) but women most certainly are not expected to serve them. I'd like to hear a male public official get up and say "women should serve men" and get away with it!
  • The Objectification Of Men In Media
     Reply #137 - March 31, 2013, 02:21 PM
    Okay, I only just read your most recent post. I can understand where you're coming from now. I'm not for traditional gender roles either. It's more the "there's a war on women raging!" aspect of third-wave feminism that turns me off.
  • The Objectification Of Men In Media
     Reply #138 - March 31, 2013, 02:26 PM
    Well, there's certainly been a lot of progress. But consider one of the quotes you posted:

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    Use a man as a woman, and you are vandalizing him as a man – he is no longer useful as a man. Use a woman as a woman, and she is still useful as a woman.


    Doesn't this indicate that a woman's purpose is to sexually serve her man?
  • The Objectification Of Men In Media
     Reply #139 - March 31, 2013, 02:27 PM
    Yep.   yes  Also, great personal example of how it effects men too who refuse or can not conform because the standard being forced is not natural nor should it have to be for them.   Afro

    I agree, but I have to admit, I have struggled sometimes with the blur of bad experiences within that sex culture to separate my own anger towards the male, enough to remember his is a construct too with it's own consequences for deviating. 

    Anyway gender is a funny thing, it's a category we insist only comes in 2 flavours, so much so that when nature produces someone born with the genitals of both sexes, we must graft the appropriate gender surgically because one can only be one or the other, not in between.

    Not all cultures, there are one or 2 IIRC that have a third gender, but for the majority of the world you must be a male or a female, both physically or mentally and to be anything else is to be aberrant in their eyes. 
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • The Objectification Of Men In Media
     Reply #140 - March 31, 2013, 02:38 PM
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    The new hot to aspire to is to be toned, like the pictures posted.


    Let me kindly make this clear since I described the model's abs as well toned. I like seeing well-toned abs in both men and women in general but is this something a women should aspire to for me to find her attractive? No.

    ----

    I feel that at the end,all exmuslims are feminists only that some are ignorant of the other feminist thoughts or some elements of it which they need to be enlightened about rather than antagonize someone.
    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • The Objectification Of Men In Media
     Reply #141 - March 31, 2013, 02:39 PM
    Quote from: Abood on March 31, 2013, 02:26 PM
    Well, there's certainly been a lot of progress. But consider one of the quotes you posted:

    Doesn't this indicate that a woman's purpose is to sexually serve her man?

    It does, but that came from a commenter on a PUA site. There's a reason those nutters don't have a visible presence IRL and all operate under pseudonyms online. They're on the fringes of society, their views are unacceptable to most people and they know it. For instance, "80% of men are whipped feminized betas" is a running comment on the blog that particular comment came from. They're the opposition to "the feminist regime that runs Western civilization".
  • The Objectification Of Men In Media
     Reply #142 - March 31, 2013, 02:46 PM
    As I said, it's not intentional. But it's ubiquitous. For example, the whole "friend-zone" phenomenon. Why is it considered a bad thing when a girl just wants to be a friends with a guy? Why is it so normal that when a girl indicates no sexual interest for a guy, he immediately cuts contact?
  • The Objectification Of Men In Media
     Reply #143 - March 31, 2013, 02:51 PM
    Quote from: Cato on March 31, 2013, 02:38 PM
    Let me kindly make this clear since I described the model's abs as well toned. I like seeing well-toned abs in both men and women in general but is this something a women should aspire to for me to find her attractive? No.



    No, I realise that.  The ultimate core of how people make relationships doesn't centre on picture perfect physique, people love for more than just reasons like that.

    However it becomes hard to separate the truth of that knowledge from the other truth the endless images and endless commentary on a woman's physique would portray.

    It becomes tiring to constantly be bombarded all over the internet, all over the media, all over the streets, the shop stands, wherever it feels I turn, I am told in some subtle way that their truth is the only truth.

    That it's idealism or a dream, or a miracle if someone can see you without requiring you to fit that ideal.

    That's an endless message I see, above and beyond any reality of real life that shows people of all looks finding love.  That's the domestic sphere in its own way, it's behind people's doors, it's not a truth I get to see as often as the other one, the public portrayal of what a woman needs to look like. 
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • The Objectification Of Men In Media
     Reply #144 - March 31, 2013, 03:15 PM
    Yeah I can't disagree with that.
    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • The Objectification Of Men In Media
     Reply #145 - March 31, 2013, 03:17 PM
    Quote from: Abood on March 31, 2013, 02:46 PM
    As I said, it's not intentional. But it's ubiquitous. For example, the whole "friend-zone" phenomenon. Why is it considered a bad thing when a girl just wants to be a friends with a guy? Why is it so normal that when a girl indicates no sexual interest for a guy, he immediately cuts contact?

    Hmm...that's interesting. I've never really looked at it that way before. Though, if a guy is only after sex with a girl and she isn't interested, it makes perfect sense (to me at least) for him to fuck off rather than hover around in her "friend-zone". There's certainly something very off-putting about the Nice Guy™ who pretends to be your friend but is really just trying to get in your pants.

    I'm not sure the friend-zone BS implies that a woman is supposed to serve a man sexually; to me it looks more like a guy wallowing in self-pity because a girl he likes doesn't reciprocate.
  • The Objectification Of Men In Media
     Reply #146 - March 31, 2013, 03:26 PM
    I fucking love this btw:
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    Friendzoning is bullshit because girls are not machines that you put Kindness Coins into until sex falls out.

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     Reply #147 - March 31, 2013, 03:37 PM
    ^

    Which website are you getting all these disgusting quotes from ?? 

    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • The Objectification Of Men In Media
     Reply #148 - March 31, 2013, 03:51 PM
    ^^^ I've been wondering the same thing. The PUA stuff I have usually come across is a lot milder and focussed on self improvement.

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    There's certainly something very off-putting about the Nice Guy™ who pretends to be your friend but is really just trying to get in your pants.

    I'm not sure the friend-zone BS implies that a woman is supposed to serve a man sexually; to me it looks more like a guy wallowing in self-pity because a girl he likes doesn't reciprocate.


    Summed it up nicely al alethia.
  • The Objectification Of Men In Media
     Reply #149 - April 01, 2013, 06:07 AM
    Quote from: TheDarkRebel on March 31, 2013, 03:37 PM
    ^

    Which website are you getting all these disgusting quotes from ?? 




    A few different blogs/sites/forums but most of it is from Chateau Heartiste, which is more about pick-up artistry (getting pussy!) than men's rights but incorporates both nonetheless. CH is all about being that asshole all women secretly crave by lowering a woman's self-esteem (via "negging" and deliberately provoking jealousy and drama) and demeaning her so she is brought down to your level and ultimately "accepts your superiority". The virtues of being a violent and domineering "alpha" towards women are extolled, and there's also plenty of typical MRA nastiness. 

    There's The Spearhead and A Voice for Men, which are mainstream MRA sites full of rants about feminism, the false rape epidemic, the conniving "nature" of women, etc. There's menarebetterthanwomen.com (it's a riot Cheesy) and a forum with the same name. Just the tip of the iceberg that is the "manosphere". 

    These guys are basically hate groups: 
    http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2012/spring/a-war-on-women
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