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     Reply #30 - April 21, 2014, 06:46 PM
    No actually I found it very beneficial to study tajweed and tarteel. It was fun and rewarding while doing it, so during that time I actually loved it. It gave me a chance to realize that I have a problem with "inflection" in my recitation/singing voice that I now can work on in order to improve my more musical side Smiley My studies in makharij and siffaat was very useful since I'm generally interested in phonology and linguistics in general, and languages overall. I have had a great deal of benefit in really "exploring" my mouth so to speak, so that I have it much more easier to achieve a somewhat native sounding pronunciation while learning new languages. If I ever start teaching ESL/EFL in the future, I'd know how to help my students with their phonology cuz I was a pretty badass tajweed tutor if you ask myself Tongue
    "The healthiest people I know are those who are the first to label themselves fucked up." - three
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     Reply #31 - April 21, 2014, 06:50 PM
    LOL I have a certificate in Quranic recitation and the Qaidah Nooraniah where I got 92/100.  Wonder what I'll use that for
    "The healthiest people I know are those who are the first to label themselves fucked up." - three
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     Reply #32 - April 21, 2014, 07:13 PM
    Cheesy
    Ah that’s classic! I remember sitting there for hours perfecting the “raa mufhakham” and the “qalqalah.” From what I was told, I mastered the “dhad” better than most Arabs, but my “raa madhmoom” still needed some work. We spent hours repeating the same section of a verse over and over again. Grin

    Cornflower, we need to practice tajweed over coffee one day.
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     Reply #33 - April 21, 2014, 07:33 PM
    What do you guys think of the "you must be able to read/write arabic in order to understand the Qur'an" claim?
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     Reply #34 - April 21, 2014, 07:40 PM
    Yeah me too are there any miracles in quranic arabic that peeps keep harping on about, i didnt do study classes i was more into world and islamic history and when i prayed in arabic it was meaningless babble to me lol

    ..and then i think back to reciting beautifully such ridiculous sentences like "though shalt take what your riiight hand posesessss" aaaameeen lol   (although i did enjoy al rahman)
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     Reply #35 - April 21, 2014, 08:11 PM
    Quote from: Qtian on April 21, 2014, 07:33 PM
    What do you guys think of the "you must be able to read/write arabic in order to understand the Qur'an" claim?


    Much of the style and soul of the Qur’an is lost in translation. Certainly, the poetic and rhythmic nature of the recitation is lost. In many ways, I think that translations do much to lay bare the atrocious meanings and moral depravity of Allah’s “wise plan.” Nonetheless, I think it is possible to separate the art of recitation from the content of the Qur’an. The former can still be quite beautiful even while the latter is horrendous. I still think that hearing a live, skillful recitation while understanding the meaning is the best way to experience the book. It is the way it was meant to be delivered, after all.

    I liken it to hip hop in many ways. If you were to try to translate Dr Dre or Snoop into Korean, you might still get the gist of what they are saying, but the rhyme, flow, and intricate play between words is lost.

    Quote from: suki on April 21, 2014, 07:40 PM
    Yeah me too are there any miracles in quranic arabic that peeps keep harping on about, i didnt do study classes i was more into world and islamic history and when i prayed in arabic it was meaningless babble to me lol

    ..and then i think back to reciting beautifully such ridiculous sentences like "though shalt take what your riiight hand posesessss" aaaameeen lol   (although i did enjoy al rahman)


    Ar-Rahman to me is really such a lazy surah, one of Muhammad’s worst in my opinion. Of course, the refrain fa bi ayyi aalaa’I rabbikumaa tukathibaan takes up half the surah, but when you take it away, the surah is completely disjointed. Also, the dual form is used over and over again, just to maintain the rhyme, when it really doesn’t make any sense to do so. “Feehimaa ‘ainani tajriyaan In them both are two flowing fountains.” No other place in the Qur’an are these “two fountains” mentioned. Like every other dual in the surah, it seems to have been put there just for the rhyme.
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     Reply #36 - April 21, 2014, 08:13 PM
    To bring this thread back on track, I'll record myself doing Surah Ar-rahman tonight. Grin
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     Reply #37 - April 21, 2014, 08:23 PM
    yes do it !!!
    "I Knew who I was this morning, but I've changed a few times since then." Alice in wonderland

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     Reply #38 - April 21, 2014, 08:24 PM
    Rahman used to make me cry  : )  i just liked the way you were reminded with the repeating " which favours of the lord will ye deny"  actually it's quite grim now i think about it lol

    x  
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     Reply #39 - April 21, 2014, 08:25 PM
    Qtian, what HM said. I do see translations differing from one another, and I would typically demand that anyone who wants to understand a work of literature entirely must also know the language of it, or at least be able to learn the scope of it touched in the literature.

    Having said that, however, there is a definite limit when you're talking to your average Muslim and apologist. The trouble is that they may treat the Arabic used in the Qur'an as something that not only you don't know, but they don't know; it's some top secret knowledge locked away in the vaults of some scholars' heads. It is not sufficient in these arguments to research yourself or to consult classical Arabic dictionaries. It quickly just becomes a place for the apologist to hide.

    Quote from: happymurtad on April 21, 2014, 08:13 PM
    To bring this thread back on track, I'll record myself doing Surah Ar-rahman tonight. Grin

     happydance
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     Reply #40 - April 21, 2014, 08:28 PM
    I am soooo proud  Cheesy
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     Reply #41 - April 21, 2014, 08:35 PM
    Congrats Cornflower lol.. !!    gosh thinking back at all the guilt placed on you if you didnt learn your surahs, i'm freeee of it now lol..  infact i havent prayed for so long that i cant even remember al fatiha, i darent step into a mosque as i forgot how to pray lol..
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     Reply #42 - April 21, 2014, 08:38 PM
    I actually have this not so funny but really weird story behind this course certificate. To make a far too long and boring story short, I had a pretty bad fight with the teacher (who's apparently some high profile tajweed teacher in Saudi or whatever) but who ended up calling me a couple of months ago to beg me if I could teach the class Cheesy

    I'm actually still angry because I messed up on my meem and harakat/tanween during the test, but I blame the teacher. I was filled with rage after our little "argument" while reciting. I'm a procrastinator, but also a perfectionist, which makes a very burdensome combination.
    "The healthiest people I know are those who are the first to label themselves fucked up." - three
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     Reply #43 - April 21, 2014, 10:03 PM
    lol i know what you mean, although i must say you had a lot of patience to do this, i took tajweed one semester and couldnt handle it tbh, i had to wake up at the crack of dawn and go over every little aspect, it reaally made quran reading harder.

    Ye sure it sounds better

    but, meh....
    "I Knew who I was this morning, but I've changed a few times since then." Alice in wonderland

    "This is the only heaven we have how dare you make it a hell" Dr Marlene Winell
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     Reply #44 - April 21, 2014, 10:05 PM
    Quote from: lua on April 21, 2014, 08:25 PM
    Qtian, what HM said. I do see translations differing from one another, and I would typically demand that anyone who wants to understand a work of literature entirely must also know the language of it, or at least be able to learn the scope of it touched in the literature.

    Having said that, however, there is a definite limit when you're talking to your average Muslim and apologist. The trouble is that they may treat the Arabic used in the Qur'an as something that not only you don't know, but they don't know; it's some top secret knowledge locked away in the vaults of some scholars' heads. It is not sufficient in these arguments to research yourself or to consult classical Arabic dictionaries. It quickly just becomes a place for the apologist to hide.
     happydance


    Agreed:
    The notion that everyone must know Arabic is inconsistent with Quranic claims.
    However, in order to deal with the slipperiness of claims made by apologists, a knowledge of Quranic arabic is very beneficial.
    [You seem very happy, did the lab fumes not get to you today? (: ]
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     Reply #45 - April 21, 2014, 10:16 PM
    Quote
    Quote from: Cornflower on April 20, 2014, 12:25 PM
    Given that I spent 6 years of intensive tajweed and tarteel studies I would think that I must have achieved some kind of acceptable recitation Cheesy

    Quote from: confusedagno on April 21, 2014, 04:11 PM
    6 years Cornflower!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 6 YEARS?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh??

    wow..... thats a lot of years to study how to sing the quran


    What is there in spending 6years? plenty of new converted 19 year olds spend their life time in Islam  finally finding it is all bull shit and brain washing  confusedagno....
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    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
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     Reply #46 - April 21, 2014, 10:20 PM
    its just seems like a lot of wasted time (personal opinion Wink )
    "I Knew who I was this morning, but I've changed a few times since then." Alice in wonderland

    "This is the only heaven we have how dare you make it a hell" Dr Marlene Winell
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     Reply #47 - April 21, 2014, 10:26 PM
    Quote from: confusedagno on April 21, 2014, 10:20 PM
    its just seems like a lot of wasted time (personal opinion Wink )

    well "Time never stops so forget what you lost" so look for future instead of looking at the lost time..
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
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     Reply #48 - April 21, 2014, 10:28 PM
    LOL it's not just that I wanted to be able and recite it properly, but I had my mind set on learning ALL the theoretical stuff  nd details. I studied the practical tajweed and memorized and then went into details about the two different styles of Hafs an Asim etc etc etc. So that is what I did during 6 years even though, of course, I didn't go to classes every single day. Sometimes I was a student, sometimes I was a teacher who had to prepare classes. Sometimes I was on break repeating previous lessons. It was tedious work.
    Anyway, I would have lost those years to Islam either way, at least I spent them doing something I actually enjoyed. I liked learning, it's what brought me into kufr so that's good Smiley Talking about it made me wanting to open up and read a little al Baqarah like I used to do Cheesy
    "The healthiest people I know are those who are the first to label themselves fucked up." - three
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     Reply #49 - April 21, 2014, 10:32 PM
    O dont get me wrong, your knowledge in islam is not useless at all, it is impressive

    I was just impressed 6 years in tajweed Smiley
    "I Knew who I was this morning, but I've changed a few times since then." Alice in wonderland

    "This is the only heaven we have how dare you make it a hell" Dr Marlene Winell
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     Reply #50 - April 21, 2014, 10:35 PM
    It's not that impressive or "extensive", believe me
    "The healthiest people I know are those who are the first to label themselves fucked up." - three
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     Reply #51 - April 21, 2014, 10:37 PM
    i find it impressive, your knowledge is sexy cornflower (ok i really should sleep now)
    "I Knew who I was this morning, but I've changed a few times since then." Alice in wonderland

    "This is the only heaven we have how dare you make it a hell" Dr Marlene Winell
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     Reply #52 - April 21, 2014, 10:40 PM
    gurl you on fire, first lua and now me  mysmilie_977 001_wub
    "The healthiest people I know are those who are the first to label themselves fucked up." - three
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     Reply #53 - April 21, 2014, 11:09 PM
     grin12
    My mind runs, I can never catch it even if I get a head start.
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     Reply #54 - April 22, 2014, 10:57 AM
    Uhuumm what happend to happy murtards recitation   whistling2

    jk
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     Reply #55 - April 22, 2014, 02:35 PM
     cool2
    I'm quite rusty. There are a few makharij I did not quite nail. My shaikh would be so disappointed. Grin Also, it’s much harder to get my voice up that high nowadays. I can hear it straining. I’ll mimic a reciter with a lower voice later on to show a different style.
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     Reply #56 - April 22, 2014, 02:48 PM
    Wow. Bravo!
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     Reply #57 - April 22, 2014, 03:30 PM
    Who would've thought that murtads would record themselves reading quran and the sharing it with other murtads Cheesy
    I'm thinking of breaking the no-female-reciters-taboo just to murtad things up in here  signmuahaha
    "The healthiest people I know are those who are the first to label themselves fucked up." - three
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     Reply #58 - April 22, 2014, 03:57 PM
    But a woman reciting the adhaan will be more revolutionary.
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     Reply #59 - April 22, 2014, 04:07 PM
    Impressive Smiley

    Go for it cornflower
    "I Knew who I was this morning, but I've changed a few times since then." Alice in wonderland

    "This is the only heaven we have how dare you make it a hell" Dr Marlene Winell
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