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  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #90 - June 16, 2014, 01:19 AM
    Quote from: Foxy on June 16, 2014, 01:14 AM
    .................I'm afraid  it's going to explode into a civil war.

    Hello Foxy ... It is in Civil war. "Iraq and  Syria" both are in civil war and both countries were rules by  The so-called  Arab Socialist Ba'ath Party. Did you know that this party was started by  a Christian guy   "Michel Aflaq"??
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  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #91 - June 16, 2014, 01:38 AM
    Militants Claim Mass Execution of Iraqi Forces says news

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    BAGHDAD — Wielding the threat of sectarian slaughter, Sunni Islamist militants claimed on Sunday that they had massacred hundreds of captive Shiite members of Iraq’s security forces, posting grisly pictures of a mass execution in Tikrit as evidence and warning of more killing to come.

    Even as anecdotal reports of extrajudicial killings around the country seemed to bear out the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria’s intent to kill Shiites wherever they could, Iraqi officials and some human rights groups cautioned that the militants’ claim to have killed 1,700 soldiers in Tikrit could not be immediately verified.

    But with their claim, the Sunni militants were reveling in an atrocity that if confirmed would be the worst yet in the conflicts that roil the region, outstripping even the poison gas attack near Damascus last year


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTBo69PiHIM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PhbPS7nOr4
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  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #92 - June 16, 2014, 02:00 AM
    Quote from: yeezevee on June 16, 2014, 01:19 AM
    Hello Foxy ... It is in Civil war. "Iraq and  Syria" both are in civil war and both countries were rules by  The so-called  Arab Socialist Ba'ath Party. Did you know that this party was started by  a Christian guy   "Michel Aflaq"??

    Iraq is not as bad as Syria...yet. I know the Ba'ath Party but I had no idea it was started by a Christian guy? Please tell me more Smiley
    We are all born atheists until someone start telling us lies.
  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #93 - June 16, 2014, 06:06 AM
    Quote from: lua on June 15, 2014, 03:34 PM
    He actually liked these people once for the sharia state thing, and also his support of the Sunnis, but whenever the violence starts, even something totally prescribed like ISIS in Syria cutting off a guy's hand for thievery, he just can't take it. I wish more of their supporters were like that, where if they saw this stuff they'd dislike them immediately, but something makes me doubt it. Maybe the cynic in me.  wacko


    I've seen the exact same video. Man, it was too awful :( had to skim through it b/c I didn't want to see people actually being killed. The graphics after some of the killings, it was all "such and such scholar said the rafidah are blah blah and must be fought/killed". I still remember one which stated that "shedding the blood of [Shi'a] is more halal than getting rid of wine". I don't know who could possibly see that and think anything other than that these people are brutes of the highest order. The fact that that's what they put out as propaganda shows you what kind of sick people are drawn to them. 

    A lot of Muslims seem to have this notion that the proper Islamic legal system is designed in such a way that the punishments are never meant to be implemented, so whenever a group engages in regular stonings, hand-chopping, etc they're automatically "doing it wrong". It's a clever way to reject hadd punishments without actually rejecting them outright, lol. The whole "the requirements for stoning/amputation are so strict and impossible to meet, that in a proper Islamic state, they'd never be implemented" stance. I think deep down most Muslims know that stoning and amputation are extremely barbaric and have no place in the modern world, which is why almost all Muslim countries don't implement them, even if they pay lip service to Islamic shari'ah. 

  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #94 - June 16, 2014, 08:49 AM
    Disclaimer* Please excuse the following rant as I am currently in the fug Islam phase of my apostasy.  I am sure I will regret this once I calm down.

    Although this is very sad am I the only one that wants sharia to be enforced so that regular muslims (my family included) who have been hiding behind the "no true" islam nonsense can finally come face to face with what Islam is?   

    I want it to succeed in taking over so talking heads like Cerrah, Medhi etc and the world in general can finally stop and see it for what it is instead of the lies they try to feed the world that secular values were somehow compatible with Islam.

    I am just glad they're stupid enough to tape themselves and that we have the technology.   They wont be able to hide behind the fog of history like Umar etc their followers wont be able to claim that it wasnt them, that its all a lie, conspiracy while they continue to upload youtube videos and post pictures.

    Ok I am done


    Oh my Christopher Hitchens its a fihrrrrrrrrrrrr
  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #95 - June 16, 2014, 09:31 AM
    That was very reasonable, actuallly.


    (And I confess the same thought had occurred to me.)
  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #96 - June 16, 2014, 11:47 AM
    That actually makes a lot of sense, Xiis. TonyT said the same kind of thing: sit back, let the Islamists unleash hell and people will get sick of it and ditch the ideology. I've often thought that myself. If they were allowed to take over, perhaps their rank incompetence and brutality would cause Islamism as a palatable ideology to be discarded, and the glorious Islamic caliphate would spontaneously combust a la the Soviet bloc.
  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #97 - June 16, 2014, 11:53 AM
    I have my doubts. The delusions of Islamism run along the lines of 'Well they weren't implementing real Islam, we must struggle to bring real Islam next' and so it repeats endlessly

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #98 - June 16, 2014, 11:54 AM
    Quote from: Al-Alethia on June 16, 2014, 11:47 AM
    That actually makes a lot of sense, Xiis. TonyT said the same kind of thing: sit back, let the Islamists unleash hell and people will get sick of it and ditch the ideology. ............

    well that   Islamists unleashing  hell and killing is happening for a long time but  ideology is still alive and kicking ..

     So irrespective of whose blood it is, blood shed is not a solution., It was not a solution in the past , either now or in the future..

    Terrifying execution images in Iraq; U.S. Embassy in Baghdad relocates some staff says news



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    CNN) -- The Iraqi air force struck back at the militant group ISIS, the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, killing more than 200 militants, Iraqi state TV reported Monday morning. The air raids took place in Saqlawiyah, northwest of Fallujah, according to a graphic run by state TV.

    ISIS has been ruthlessly fighting to take control of Iraq and has apparently posted chilling photos on jihadi Internet forums seeming to show the executions of Iraqi security forces.

    CNN cannot independently confirm the authenticity of the images purportedly posted by ISIS. CNN is examining the terrain in the images, some of the signage on buildings in several of the pictures and the uniforms of the apparent victims. Those details suggest the photos are real and were taken in Iraq.

    A caption on some of the images reads: "apostates heading to their hole of doom."


    Yap...  "apostates heading to their hole of doom.  yap they are apostates Not Muslims..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZXNI88g3IM
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvqA2cFSwsk
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    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #99 - June 16, 2014, 12:15 PM
    Militants capture northern Iraqi town Tal Afar  says news  that came out  3 hours ago

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    BAGHDAD: Militants captured the northern Iraqi town of Tal Afar early on Monday, its mayor and residents said, the latest blow to the nation's Shia-led government a week after it lost a vast swath of territory in the country's north.

    The town, with a population of some 200,000 people, mostly ethnic Shia and Sunni Turkomen, was taken just before dawn, Mayor Abdulal Abdoul told The Associated Press.

    The ethnic mix of Tal Afar, 420 kilometers (260 miles) northwest of Baghdad, raises the grim specter of large-scale atrocities by Sunni militants of the Al Qaeda-inspired Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, or ISIL, who already claim to have killed hundreds of Shias in areas they captured last week.

    A Tal Afar resident reached by phone confirmed the town's fall and said militants in pick-up trucks mounted with machine-guns and flying black jihadi banners were roaming the streets as gunfire rang out.

    The local security force left the town before dawn, said Hadeer al-Abadi, who spoke to the AP as he prepared to head out of town with his family.

    Local tribesmen who continued to fight later surrendered to the militants, he said. “Residents are gripped by fear and most of them have already left the town to areas held by Kurdish security forces,” said al-Abadi.



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    Tal Afar is organized into eighteen neighborhoods or districts. They are: Sa'ad, Qadisiyah, Todd A-O, Sarai, Mohalemeen, Madlomin, Uruba, Wahada, Nida, A'a lot, Hassan Qoi, Mothana, Khadra, Jazeera, Taliha, Kifah, Malain and Qalah. Each neighborhood is able to maintain its identity due to the tribal nature of the city.

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #100 - June 16, 2014, 12:36 PM
    More difference in news from Arabic and English tv - starting to see different narratives forming for different reasons I guess.
    Quote from: ZooBear 

    • Surah Al-Fil: In an epic game of Angry Birds, Allah uses birds (that drop pebbles) to destroy an army riding elephants whose intentions were to destroy the Kaaba. No one has beaten the high score.

  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #101 - June 16, 2014, 01:08 PM
    Links?
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #102 - June 16, 2014, 01:40 PM
    It's on tv, I'll post what I find in a bit - my internet data is finished, sucks.
     Basically, the Iraqi narrative shows a MUCH different perspective to the absolute hopelessness of the English one. By comparison, the compilation of pieces coming from English media is the complete opposite.
    Today on Arab news, there were some captured militants and that was the focus. English news, well the links are up there, completely opposite.
    I'm starting to see that it's more about the discourse than the actual events. It's about painting certain pictures that will influence how different groups of people draw conclusions about the situation...and the type of action that people will vote for.
    Quote from: ZooBear 

    • Surah Al-Fil: In an epic game of Angry Birds, Allah uses birds (that drop pebbles) to destroy an army riding elephants whose intentions were to destroy the Kaaba. No one has beaten the high score.

  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #103 - June 16, 2014, 02:25 PM
    Stumbled upon this from June 14th:

    Quote
    Divisions between the groups fighting to topple Iraq's Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki are emerging.

    Much of the attention from the current insurgency has focused on ISIS - the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant, but it is only one of a number of militia groups fighting.

    Former General Muzhir al Qaisi is a spokesman for the General Military Council of the Iraqi Revolutionaries, which entered Mosul alongside ISIS and is taking part in the campaign. He told the BBC's Middle East correspondent Jim Muir that Mosul was too big a city for ISIS to have taken alone.

    He also stressed the differences between the two groups, describing ISIS as "barbarians".


    Short video interview in the BBC article.
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  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #104 - June 16, 2014, 02:27 PM
    @Jila
    That's interesting. Do you think Western media is trying to steer public opinion in the direction of supporting military intervention? 

    Quote from: yeezevee on June 16, 2014, 11:54 AM
    well that   Islamists unleashing  hell and killing is happening for a long time but  ideology is still alive and kicking ..
     So irrespective of whose blood it is, blood shed is not a solution., It was not a solution in the past , either now or in the future.. 


    What's the solution, yeez? I say, we let ISIS keep their slice of Iraq. It's mostly oil-free anyway and after a while of shari'ah, the Sunnis will realise how bad they have it, lots of fleeing, perhaps a revolt, and eventually the Da'ish state will collapse. Atm, the Iraqis should give all they've got to keep them out of Baghdad and the Shi'a parts of the country. That's my armchair diplomacy/ military strategy, whatever ya wanna call it. 
  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #105 - June 16, 2014, 02:28 PM
    Quote from: billy on June 16, 2014, 11:53 AM
    I have my doubts. The delusions of Islamism run along the lines of 'Well they weren't implementing real Islam, we must struggle to bring real Islam next' and so it repeats endlessly


    I'm a pessimist by nature but the optimist in me likes to remember that Islamism was largely irrelevant just 50 years ago. In much of the Arab world, Somalia, Turkey, etc secular nationalism was in vogue. This hunger for the caliphate is relatively new and it's probably because some idiots have read too much about Spain but not enough about the latter years of the "sick man of Europe". The last people to actually live under the caliphate fought against it and mostly wanted secular democracy once it fell. Fuck, all you need to do is compare Turkey, a country that embraced secularism and democracy, to any of the countries that went full shari'ah and it's obvious that one ideology sucks the life out of any society it touches. How many more failed shari'ah states will it take for Muslims to abandon this utopian fantasy en masse? 

    Continuing with the communism comparison, the communists would always say the shitty living standards under communist regimes was just a transitionary period until "true, full stateless communism" can arrive. And Western socialist/communist types would argue the Soviets were doing communism wrong and a true communist society would be a classless utopia. IIRC, Hitchens may have even been one of these people. I still encounter these weirdos online but to most people it's accepted that communism is a utopian fantasy that isn't tenable. Will Islamism ever get to that point? I hope so but I'm not sure if it can given the delusional nature of the religious. 
  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #106 - June 16, 2014, 02:47 PM
    Quote from: Al-Alethia on June 16, 2014, 02:27 PM
    @Jila
    That's interesting. Do you think Western media is trying to steer public opinion in the direction of supporting military intervention? 



    It is reeeeally interesting to me. I'm mostly intrigued than scared or worried. I was having a convo with my dad about the $500million looted money. No trace of that story on Iraqi news. What is on though, ISIS has cut water supplies to Southern cities, which is really worrying of course, and they are also attacking power plants, but Saddam's supporters have been doing that since 2004. Also, as mentioned earlier, strong indications that the take over was a collaboration between isis and kurd fighters who both gain a lot.

    My net blows right now, can't even get on aljazeera's homepage
    Quote from: ZooBear 

    • Surah Al-Fil: In an epic game of Angry Birds, Allah uses birds (that drop pebbles) to destroy an army riding elephants whose intentions were to destroy the Kaaba. No one has beaten the high score.

  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #107 - June 16, 2014, 02:50 PM
    Quote
    How many more failed shari'ah states will it take for Muslims to abandon this utopian fantasy en masse?


    This is the Catch 22 of the so called "Sharia State. It can never actually exist because from the very moment it is established, all through out its existence as a living definition of the terms "failed state" and "human rights disaster," and all the way up until its eventual demise through popular overthrow or international intervention, people will be screaming out about why it was not a true Sharia State for this reason or the next.

    The Sharia State is impossible to establish due to the continued disagreement over exactly what Sharia is. As soon as one state fails, it will be dismissed as not being "true," or being corrupt, or what have you. All the while, people will rally around the idea that a "more perfect" one needs to be established.

    Consider Saudi Arabia, the formation of Pakistan, Afghanistan under the Taliban, Somalia under Al-Shabab, ISIS, etc. All of these are examples of states founded directly upon the idea of bringing an "Islamic State" into existence, yet Muslims would be the first to decry them as not being "true" Islamic states.

    It'll never actually happen. They'll never actually unite under a single banner of a Caliphate. Islam is too diverse and there are too many sanctions for the use of violence to settle theological differences. Only secular democracy can truly make one out of many, and even then, it's tough.

  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #108 - June 16, 2014, 02:54 PM
    Quote from: Al-Alethia on June 16, 2014, 06:06 AM
    I've seen the exact same video. Man, it was too awful :( had to skim through it b/c I didn't want to see people actually being killed. The graphics after some of the killings, it was all "such and such scholar said the rafidah are blah blah and must be fought/killed". I still remember one which stated that "shedding the blood of [Shi'a] is more halal than getting rid of wine". I don't know who could possibly see that and think anything other than that these people are brutes of the highest order. The fact that that's what they put out as propaganda shows you what kind of sick people are drawn to them. 


    For me, it wasn't as bad as the stuff you see out of Syria, but you're right, the fact that that was released by them to sell their brand is what makes it especially crazy. I guess it was supposed to be balanced out by the part about them calling them in to sign that paper and give up their weapons. And if they did, they got free food and blessings and maybe even a hug from a guy with a ski mask on.

    And I've thought the same thing as you, Xiis, but I reckon it would turn out how billy said. It might snap some people to their senses, but the peaceful people who can't stomach it will probably flee or denounce it as not true Islam, the rest of them will be the ones shouting allahu akbar as the hand is chopped off.

    I wish a significant number of failed states would make a difference, but I don't tend to give humanity that much credit. We're going to keep pulling the lever and hoping something good happens, because it was promised to us in the book, or because we heard it worked ages ago.  wacko
  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #109 - June 16, 2014, 03:29 PM
    ^Yikes, what have you seen from Syria? I've seen a couple of flogging videos. One for some men who failed to attend Friday prayers, and another for marrying off his daughter before her iddah was over wacko the husband was also flogged. 
  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #110 - June 16, 2014, 03:35 PM
    Quote from: Jila on June 16, 2014, 02:47 PM
    It is reeeeally interesting to me. I'm mostly intrigued than scared or worried. I was having a convo with my dad about the $500million looted money. No trace of that story on Iraqi news. What is on though, ISIS has cut water supplies to Southern cities, which is really worrying of course, and they are also attacking power plants, but Saddam's supporters have been doing that since 2004. Also, as mentioned earlier, strong indications that the take over was a collaboration between isis and kurd fighters who both gain a lot. 



    I see. Is the Iraqi media really reliable though? I can see how the military industrial complex and associated corporate interests would want to push for war, though Americans aren't as stupid as we like to think and they've lost their appetite for MidEast wars so I don't see wide support for intervention anyway. The Europeans/Aussies are definitely not biting either. However, I can also see why Iraqi media would want to suppress the $500 million loot and not freak people out. IIRC, social media was blocked not long ago for possibly this reason. 

    And ISIS and the Kurds aren't too fond of each other in Syria, to the point that the Kurds there accuse Turkey of supporting ISIS against them. I'm not sure if ISIS is diplomatic enough to actually work with anyone. They fight literally ALL the factions in Syria, and couldn't even get along with al-Qaeda despite being essentially the same ideologically. They do this despite how hated and unpopular it has made them in Syria. I've also come across some bizarre conspiracies about the Kurds from Arabs online, kinda like Pakistanis with Shi'as, Jews and Hindus (hint: they're all collaborating to destroy Pakistan) which makes me a bit skeptical about what Iraqi media would have to say about them…
  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #111 - June 16, 2014, 03:43 PM
    Quote from: Al-Alethia on June 16, 2014, 03:35 PM

    I see. Is the Iraqi media .....

    why don't we put some links of Iraqi media .. there are plenty from there., those who can read may write something from  them..

    http://www.alsumaria.tv/
    http://www.imn.iq/
    http://iraqdailyjournal.com/index.php?lang=ar
    http://www.iraqidinar123.com/
    http://www.irinnews.org/country/iq/iraq
    http://en.aswataliraq.info/%28S%28jdwxqt45gt1wsompcp5pudrf%29%29/Default.aspx
    http://www.albawaba.com/ar/country/%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B9%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%82

    well Christians are doing good job
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
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    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #112 - June 16, 2014, 03:54 PM
    Quote from: Al-Alethia on June 16, 2014, 03:29 PM
    ^Yikes, what have you seen from Syria? I've seen a couple of flogging videos. One for some men who failed to attend Friday prayers, and another for marrying off his daughter before her iddah was over wacko the husband was also flogged. 


    A lot over the last couple years, mostly very brutal executions, and yet somehow the one that sat the worst with me was a thief losing his hand. It was definitely a botched operation, to say the least.  wacko

    Ah, the flogging videos are hard to watch, too.  no
  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #113 - June 16, 2014, 04:02 PM
    Quote from: yeezevee on June 16, 2014, 03:43 PM
    why don't we put some links of Iraqi media .. there are plenty from there., those who can read may write something from  them..

    http://www.alsumaria.tv/
    http://www.imn.iq/
    http://iraqdailyjournal.com/index.php?lang=ar
    http://www.iraqidinar123.com/
    http://www.irinnews.org/country/iq/iraq
    http://en.aswataliraq.info/%28S%28jdwxqt45gt1wsompcp5pudrf%29%29/Default.aspx
    http://www.albawaba.com/ar/country/%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B9%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%82

    well Christians are doing good job


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     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
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     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #114 - June 16, 2014, 04:40 PM
    Thanks for the links, yeez  Afro Will check them out tomorrow. I'm out.
  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #115 - June 17, 2014, 02:44 AM
    Quote from: happymurtad on June 16, 2014, 02:50 PM
    This is the Catch 22 of the so called "Sharia State. It can never actually exist because from the very moment it is established, all through out its existence as a living definition of the terms "failed state" and "human rights disaster," and all the way up until its eventual demise through popular overthrow or international intervention, people will be screaming out about why it was not a true Sharia State for this reason or the next.


    Yoiu can't understate that. Although Egypt might have ruined the Muslim Brotherhood brand of Sharia. I think the Iranian regime has probably damaged Shi'ism more than anything. There probably far greater numbers of muslims leaving Shia and Islam as whole, than there are people becoming Shia, because of the regime.
  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #116 - June 17, 2014, 12:00 PM
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsqV5hK6E54

    Hmmm..   Yes PRIME SUSPECT ABU BAKR  did a good job of supporting Porphet Muhammad (PBUH) who came out of Bush  to become a messenger., .. oooops sorry not bush, it  was Cave.. i mean the hira cave..

    Indeed Former Prime minister Tony Blair didn't cause Iraq crisis' ...  thatis what Mr. Blair says in the above tube.,  but I wonder whether he can take small responsibility for the present status of Iraq?   very small responsibility please...
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  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #117 - June 17, 2014, 12:28 PM
    That place is being governed by stupid people. almost to the point of criminal stupidity. from the government to the military (or what resembles a military)

    https://news.vice.com/article/iraqi-soldiers-fleeing-isis-claim-they-were-abandoned-by-senior-officers

    Quote
    Some of the 60,000 Iraqi soldiers who retreated as a much smaller force of Sunni militants overran Iraq’s second largest city of Mosul last week told VICE News that they fled after being "abandoned" by their commanders.

    Many sought refuge in the Iraqi Kurdistan capital of Erbil 50 miles east.

    There, in a cheap hotel, which is now full of soldiers, Kamel, a corporal in his late 40s said that that senior officers at his station around 10 miles outside Mosul disappeared before the rank and file even knew the city was under attack.

    As a result, when the troops in his company heard that key positions in Mosul had fallen to the militant force, which is headed by the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS), they fled along with thousands of civilians to Erbil.

    “We had no orders, and didn’t know what to do, so we went,” he said. “There was no real fight. We left, and ISIS replaced us."


    So much for the american trained iraqi army. I think this will be used to extend the time american forces remain in iraq.
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  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #118 - June 17, 2014, 02:22 PM
    Muslim countries are on fire! What is happening? Pakistan, Syria, and now Iraq - Iran, Saudi Arabia and Egypt - wherever you look - so much strife and hatred! Why are Muslims not able to seperate religion from politics? What is the future? Where are Muslim intellectuals? I have not read any serious analysis written by a Muslim about the state of affairs in any Muslim country. May be somebody has.

    Things weren't so bad upto 1980's - 1970's were good in Muslim countries. Non-Muslim countries have progressed - there is more freedom of religion, women have more rights, no doubt, there is still discrimination against minorities but overall there is lot more tolerance and acceptance. On the contrary, Muslim countries have regressed - there is more intolerance, women have less rights. In 1970's urban Arab women wore western style dresses, educated and urban Pakistani women wore saris, but now more and more women are wearing hideous head scarfs and niqabs etc. Why?
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  • ISIS take Mosul
     Reply #119 - June 17, 2014, 02:56 PM
    Quote from: Ram on June 17, 2014, 02:22 PM
    ..................... more and more women are wearing hideous head scarfs and niqabs etc. Why?

    Damn... Mr. Ram is riot.,       I didn't realize until now that these ..these women with head scarfs are looking  so hideous, horrible ugly,.   I am just shocked.. 
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
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