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  • The Haramadan 2k16 Thread
     Reply #30 - June 08, 2016, 01:11 AM

    I am taking all kinds of food.
    I am taking calcium and vitamins medicines.

    But ramadan will definitely affect my diet and routine.

    I have to pretend that I am fasting, I drink water and eat food when I get chance, but that's not that much.

    I think you have some problem.
    Every thing I post, looks weird to you.


  • The Haramadan 2k16 Thread
     Reply #31 - June 10, 2016, 01:47 AM

    I would say a psychologist is a good option. I prefer a psychologist for diagnosis, a psychiatrist for medication after that diagnosis.

    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • The Haramadan 2k16 Thread
     Reply #32 - June 10, 2016, 04:33 AM

    I am taking all kinds of food.
    I am taking calcium and vitamins medicines.

    But ramadan will definitely affect my diet and routine.

    I have to pretend that I am fasting, I drink water and eat food when I get chance, but that's not that much.

    why?

    get dr. certificate that you are taking medications and put that hadith  that says "people who are medications need not follow Ramadan rules of fasting and binge eating"    and and submit both of them to the in-home faith heads dear mtexmuslim ., 


    Prophet sa.ra.pbuh  ph.d. quran says in one of those bullshit bukhari  junk  that people who are sick need not follow ramadn rules..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • The Haramadan 2k16 Thread
     Reply #33 - June 10, 2016, 11:16 PM

    I really don't know if I should start fasting, haven't yet because of girl reasons but won't have that excuse for much longer. I could just fast on days I visit my family because I can't bring myself to lie and pretend. I was talking to my sister today about how difficult and unfair it is with such long days but she made a point that life is so much easier for us in the UK so we should have something that's more difficult for us. I didn't know what to say to that because it did make sense. I'm just confused.
  • Re: The Haramadan 2k16 Thread
     Reply #34 - June 11, 2016, 12:28 AM

    Ramadan Mubarak everyone cheers, may God grant us all the strength so safely see through this holy month. *Waits for the new Haramadanians to arrive* popcorn

    Haha, Ramadan mubarak, Tomas. Hope you're doing well. Man, I haven't been to CEMB in a while, though I did first find this place because of Ramadan a few years ago, and now Ramadan has brought me back, so I guess that makes me a re-Haramadanian. Normally, I wouldn't be back home during Ramadan, but after graduating I have spent the last 6 months looking for a job with no luck so far. I continued living on my own for most of it, and to be honest could have continued doing so, but it made more financial sense to come back home for a little while until I find something. Just in time for Ramadan.

    But this time, I told my family I wasn't fasting. They know I have issues with insomnia, so I told them that fasting and the stress of looking for a job combined would make my insomnia far worse and severely affect my health. Which is kind of true, I do suffer from insomnia and fasting could certainly make it worse, and getting up early in the morning would certainly affect my quality of sleep. At first, my mom was exremely unhappy. Then, she calmed down and said she was okay with it, that it was my decision, etc. Which was surprising and very nice. But she has spent every single day since then chastising me for it, criticizing me, trying to guilt and shame me into fasting. Which hasn't been so nice. But I just ignore her, assure her that I still pray (I don't) and that when I get a job and move out again, I'll begin fasting again (I won't). When I was home for Ramadan a few years ago, I pretended to fast while trying to sneak food and water throughout the day, losing weight, feeling generally unhealthy and unproductive. For my own mental health, I think my current approach--flat out refusing to fast but pretending that it's temporary and pretending I'm still a believer--is a good compromise.

    And I'm still lying to all my family. I'm sick of lying. Sick of pretending to be somebody I'm not and sick of not being able to be who I am and do what I want to do freely without hiding it.

    I know the feeling all too well. These days, the lying itself doesn't bother me. What bothers me is not being able to be myself. The lying used to bother me, but I've become numb to it. I sometimes wonder what that says about me. I don't like to lie, but I'm pretty good at it. A couple of my friends say I'm a good liar and that I have a great poker face, that it can be hard to read me--I don't lie to them, of course, but I have this ability to keep a straight face while making things up as a joke. I wonder if lying to my family has made me a good liar.

    Has anyone ever realize those people you knew growing up who were "non practicing" are identical to you when you leave islam as an atheist, those "non practicing people" were closeted exmuslims!!! I just figured that out

    Ha, yeah, it's crazy to think that that's us, now!
  • The Haramadan 2k16 Thread
     Reply #35 - June 13, 2016, 05:44 PM

    Well another year has passed and Haramadan brings me back. Hello everyone  grin12

    Looks like I'm not the only one who returns at this time of year  Cheesy

    I've just read this thread from start to finish. What kind of messed up religion is this,that turns is into liars and deceivers and actors?? It's madness.

    This forum was a great place to let out my bottled up anger and confusion, a year (or two?) ago. My situation hasn't changed much. My wife and I have been getting on fine, she knows I'm not fasting practicing. But I'm not happy. I'll probably post more when I'm ready to, or when I just need to rant to anyone who will, well, read it!

    For now, I just hope Haramadan isn't too hard for those who are faking/acting/getting by as closet apostates.
  • The Haramadan 2k16 Thread
     Reply #36 - June 13, 2016, 05:54 PM

    Welcome back all my fellow Haramadanians!  bunny

    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • The Haramadan 2k16 Thread
     Reply #37 - June 13, 2016, 05:57 PM

    ^Does she know you are exmuslim, or does she think you just have "doubts",

    I get pissed off during ramadan because after spending months building muscle, you lose it sooooo fast during ramadan, the only way to retain the muscle is to eat a crap load of protein during suhoor and iftar and exercising hard during the day making sure no one sees you drinking water so you dont pass out from dehydration.

    As a scientist I can see farther than any human before me by standing on the shoulders of giants (previous scientists); As a religious follower I can not see what is right in-front of me, even when others INDEPENDENTLY see the same thing!
  • The Haramadan 2k16 Thread
     Reply #38 - June 13, 2016, 06:02 PM

    Why do Muslims follow the local sun for timings?  Someone away from Mecca in the summer will be fasting longer each day than Mo did, are they better, holier than Mo?

    And what about where the sun does not set in the summer?  Muslims should starve to death?

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • The Haramadan 2k16 Thread
     Reply #39 - June 13, 2016, 06:09 PM

    Why do Muslims follow the local sun for timings?

    Does that mean, of a fasting person follows Saudi's moon sighting, they can follow Saudi's fasting times?  Roll Eyes
  • The Haramadan 2k16 Thread
     Reply #40 - June 13, 2016, 06:10 PM

    Hassan, you're assuming that I am an ex Muslim.
  • The Haramadan 2k16 Thread
     Reply #41 - June 13, 2016, 06:18 PM

    ^So if you are not an ex muslim, why are you complaining of having to lie and show that you are not practicing?
    Little confused here, is she a muslim?

    As a scientist I can see farther than any human before me by standing on the shoulders of giants (previous scientists); As a religious follower I can not see what is right in-front of me, even when others INDEPENDENTLY see the same thing!
  • The Haramadan 2k16 Thread
     Reply #42 - June 13, 2016, 06:30 PM

    Yes, I'm a revert who has spent 13 years or so on the iman roller coaster.

    Edit: yes, my wife is a (born and practicing) Muslim.
  • The Haramadan 2k16 Thread
     Reply #43 - June 13, 2016, 06:31 PM

    Admittedly, I have it easy compared to most. Doesn't mean it's not depressingly difficult for me though.
  • The Haramadan 2k16 Thread
     Reply #44 - June 13, 2016, 06:42 PM

    Why do Muslims follow the local sun for timings?

    Does that mean, of a fasting person follows Saudi's moon sighting, they can follow Saudi's fasting times?  Roll Eyes


    Isn't that obvious?  Anything else is pride, trying to do more than Mo.  It is of course swings and roundabouts - winter.

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • The Haramadan 2k16 Thread
     Reply #45 - June 13, 2016, 06:45 PM

    Haha! There's at least one masjid near me that controversially decided to combine maghrib and isha prayers last year. Can't speak for this year as I haven't been to a masjid since. No doubt the wise elders would say it's OK to follow our time once the days get shorter here Cheesy
  • The Haramadan 2k16 Thread
     Reply #46 - June 13, 2016, 06:46 PM

    Quote
    An early astrolabe was invented in the Hellenistic world by Apollonius of Perga, around 220 BCE or in 150 BC and is often attributed to Hipparchus.


    Wiki

    There has never been a problem in Islamic times calculating local and Meccan times.

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • The Haramadan 2k16 Thread
     Reply #47 - June 13, 2016, 06:52 PM

    moi, don't read too much into what I type. I'm in a strange mood.
  • The Haramadan 2k16 Thread
     Reply #48 - June 14, 2016, 01:13 AM

    I get pissed off during ramadan because after spending months building muscle, you lose it sooooo fast during ramadan, the only way to retain the muscle is to eat a crap load of protein during suhoor and iftar and exercising hard during the day making sure no one sees you drinking water so you dont pass out from dehydration.

    I know, right?! I don't usually use protein shakes/protein powders, but a few Ramadans ago, I kept a big container of protein powder in a closet because it was the only way for me to get protein during the day (going out for an errand and grabbing a meal helped but wasn't enough). Whenever I got a chance, would sneak a couple scoops in a cup with me into the bathroom to mix with water and drink. Sometimes, I would bring a packet of evaporated milk and mix that in, too. The tricky part was making sure I wasn't seen bringing the cup in/out  Cheesy

    Losing muscle was one of the most frustrating things about Ramadan for me, one that my parents will never understand. I work hard to stay in great shape, and I have one of those metabolisms that causes me to lose weight/muscle relatively quickly if I let it, especially if I deprive myself of food for a month.

    What a religion, indeed, that has us skulking around in our own homes!
  • The Haramadan 2k16 Thread
     Reply #49 - June 14, 2016, 07:15 AM

    So are Muslims in the Arctic Circle, where the sun does not set in the summer, expected to starve to death?

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • The Haramadan 2k16 Thread
     Reply #50 - June 14, 2016, 11:36 AM

    The stupidity has not reached such levels.

    They go by Meccan time.

    Quote
    "We finally asked a shaykh in Saudi Arabia, and he gave us a fatwa [instruction] with three choices: Follow the timetable of Makkah, follow the timetable of the nearest city that does have a sunrise or sunset, or estimate the time and set a fixed schedule. We decided to follow Makkah for the part of Ramadan that falls under the Midnight Sun or Polar Nights, and then, for the other times, we follow our own sun."

    http://archive.aramcoworld.com/issue/201201/ramadan.in.the.farthest.north.htm

    It could also be read as a "do as you please".


  • The Haramadan 2k16 Thread
     Reply #51 - June 14, 2016, 02:57 PM

    This is actually something that led me to my current state of borderline apostate: you can pretty much read the "rules" any way you want. Interpret them to fit. Mould them to your situation.

    This is what, in my euphoric revert days, had me blinded. This is how Islam supposedly works for all peoples of all times and all places (even the moon or Mars). But it blows the door so wide open to misinterpretation,  that the metaphorical building has been blasted away, never mind the door that was left open to start with.

    Scholars can play with the rule book, twisting and mangling and manipulating to produce a huge array of fatwas based on the same basic evidence. But if a lay person tries to do it it's blasphemy. If you or me or the person next door does it, we're potentially changing Allah's rules.

    I don't mean to offend anyone by this statement: in my opinion, it's a load of completely fallible, man made bollocks.

    Allah does not reveal himself to us. Nor does he provides any compelling and easy to digest evidence of his existence. On the contrary, what is revealed, is so confusing that you've got to perform mental, logical and spiritual gymnastics to make any sense of it!
  • The Haramadan 2k16 Thread
     Reply #52 - June 14, 2016, 07:03 PM

    Spacecraft, with sunset and sunrise every half hour?

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • The Haramadan 2k16 Thread
     Reply #53 - June 14, 2016, 08:12 PM

    That may be welcomed by some, as surely you'd be in a perpetual state of salat.....

    It'd make a mockery of fasting,  too  whistling2
  • The Haramadan 2k16 Thread
     Reply #54 - June 14, 2016, 09:16 PM

    Spacecraft, with sunset and sunrise every half hour?


    They've already addressed this in real life

    http://www.wired.com/2007/09/mecca-in-orbit/
    Quote
    Sheikh Muszaphar Shukor of Malaysia, a crew member on the 16th mission for the International Space Station, gives thumbs-up near the Soyuz-TMA capsule before the final test outside Moscow on Tuesday, Sept. 18, 2007. Photo: Associated Press / Mikhail Metzel
    Sheikh Muszaphar Shukor has a problem. Two problems. The first is that Mecca keeps moving.

    Well, not really. It's Shukor who'll be moving. As Malaysia's first astronaut, he's scheduled to lift off October 10 in a Russian Soyuz spacecraft for a nine-day visit during the holy month of Ramadan to the International Space Station.

    He's a devout Muslim and when he says his daily prayers he wants to face Mecca, specifically the Ka'aba, the holiest place in Islam ("Turn then thy face towards the Sacred Mosque: wherever ye are, turn your faces towards it …. " The Quran, Al-Baqarah, 2:149).

    This article has been reproduced in a new format and may be missing content or contain faulty links. Contact wiredlabs@wired.com to report an issue.

    That's where the trouble comes in. From ISS, orbiting 220 miles above the surface of the Earth, the qibla (an Arabic word meaning the direction a Muslim should pray toward Mecca) changes from second to second. During some parts of the space station's orbit, the qibla can move nearly 180 degrees during the course of a single prayer. What's a devout Muslim to do?

    "As a Muslim, I do hope to do my responsibilities," Shukor says. "I do hope to fast in space."

    Malaysia's space agency, Angkasa, convened a conference of 150 Islamic scientists and scholars last year to wrestle with these and other questions. The resulting document (.doc), "A Guideline of Performing Ibadah (worship) at the International Space Station (ISS)", was approved by Malaysia's National Fatwa Council earlier this year. According to the report, determining the qibla should be "based on what is possible" for the astronaut, and can be prioritized this way: 1) the Ka'aba, 2) the projection of Ka'aba, 3) the Earth, 4) wherever.

    This leads to Shukor's second problem. There are two distinct schools of thought for determining the qibla: the commonly used Great Circle method, and the less common rhumb-line method. Looking at a flat map using any standard projection shows that a rhumb line (a line that cuts equal angles across all lines of longitude) drawn from, say, the Johnson Space Center in Houston to Mecca runs east-southeast. The numbers also bear this out — the space center is to the north and west of the Ka'aba, so any travel to the holy city should naturally be to the southeast.

    Lay a string across a globe, however, and everything changes. A great circle — the shortest distance between two points on a sphere — between Houston and Mecca initially arcs to the northeast, then curves southward to the Saudi peninsula. Islamic scientists knew as early as the ninth century CE that the great circle route provided the shortest path to Mecca from anywhere in the world, even though it may in some places seem counterintuitive (Muslims in Alaska, for example, pray facing almost due north). Great circle formulae are at the root of nearly every online qibla compass.

    Dr. Kamal Abdali, a cartographer who is also Muslim and who has written (.pdf) extensively on determining the qibla, favors the great circle route, but adds, "Prayer is not supposed to be a gymnastic exercise. One is supposed to concentrate on the prayer rather the exact orientation." He points out that in a train or plane, it's customary to start in the qibla direction but then continue the prayer without worrying about possible changes in position.

    But how does that work in space? Mathematically, Shukor would need to place both ISS and Mecca on the same imaginary sphere — by either comparing the place on Earth directly beneath ISS with the real Ka'aba, or by projecting the Ka'aba into space (the option recommended by the Fatwa Council).

    Yet the option to pray while facing a point in space brings up another problem. Muslims face the ground to pray, in part to avoid any hint of pagan sun or moon worship ("Prostrate yourselves not to the sun nor to the moon, but prostrate yourselves to Allah Who created them, if you (really) worship Him" (The Quran, Fussilat 41:37). If the Ka'aba projection happens to line up with the sun or moon, purists might believe the prayer invalid.

    For now, Shukor is keeping the details of his plans fluid until he is actually on board ISS, a point with which Dr. Khaleel Mohammed, assistant professor of religion at San Diego State University, concurs. "In space," Mohammed points out, "the ritual prayer might be offset for more of a prayer that is allowed when on jihad … for the lack of gravity and directional accuracy makes it legitimate to do as one sees fit. God does not take a person to task for that which is beyond his/her ability to work with."

    Questions like these will continue as more and more religious astronauts travel into space. When is sunset in low Earth orbit if you're experiencing a dozen sunrises and sunsets in every 24-hour period? When does Sabbath begin on the moon, where the sun sets once a month? When is the first sighting of the crescent moon if you're on Mars? Religious councils of all faiths will have plenty to keep them busy for years.

  • The Haramadan 2k16 Thread
     Reply #55 - June 15, 2016, 10:46 AM

    Millions die from starvation and disease, the environment is suffering and the planet is overcrowding....
    Maybe their time was better spent on other subjects.
  • The Haramadan 2k16 Thread
     Reply #56 - June 15, 2016, 10:53 AM

    Ursus is right.
    Last year more than 2000 people were killed in karachi During Fasting IN ramadan.
  • The Haramadan 2k16 Thread
     Reply #57 - June 15, 2016, 12:40 PM

    ...Maybe their time was better spent on other subjects.

    You would think ? Or at least focus on the science of it and not the 'islamic science'.   No doubt Malayasian scientists must be frustrated at having to partake in this kind of exercise in this day and age.  Malaya for all its much vaunted moderation is at heart a religious state.
  • The Haramadan 2k16 Thread
     Reply #58 - July 05, 2016, 07:38 AM

    So Haramadan 2k16 is over  dance

    I hope everybody somehow managed it  Afro
  • The Haramadan 2k16 Thread
     Reply #59 - July 05, 2016, 07:45 AM

    One day of Haramadan left here.

    "Life is not a matter of holding good cards, but of playing a poor hand well."
    - Robert Louis Stevenson
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