Saudi earmarked 80 Billion $ to spread islam and that is not counting the personal contributions of the oil sheiks in Saudi and other countries.
Hence my advocacy for playing hardball with them.
You are touching on the main meta approach when dealing with islam, dealing with muslims and non-muslims. From my personal observation, I find swearing at islam & muslims does not help either.
I am sure you had at least a brush with prophet of doom. You will find that he does not swear mush at muslims. From my personal observation I find that the material in islam is so damming, and there is so much of it that, swearing dilutes my points.
I barely have a window big enough to make some of my points, to waste that window on swearing.
I agree. I use very little profanity is discussing their allah guy and their prophet, and usually go no further than applying the same adjectives to their allah guy as their allah guy applies to me. That's only fair.
Another strategy that I gave up long long time ago was, associating all muslims with 'True Islam (tm)". It is like putting the cart in front of the donkey. And here is why.
At any 'confrontation' with a muslim, or a non-muslim you need to bring to your side, you will need to appeal or shame something of value to that person.
Agree partly, which is why I try to appeal to their pride in their allah guy (hence the TM part), and then ask them why they are so proud of their allah guy when he can't help them defeat Israel (the shame part), or why allah didn't see fit to give Saudi Arabia any natural sources of fresh water, etc. After all, supposedly their allah guy wills everything.
For a muslim who believe islam gives him the power to control his house and have a good house. What good is you ranting about koran permitting wife beating? he likes wife beating. You think he worries about Hamas considering palestine a waqf? or for that matter, for allah's will in allowing america to send money to israel?
Judging by the way muslims are demonstrating around the world, they seem to very concerned about America's support for Israel.
Maybe he likes wife beating because it allows a very inferior person to feel superior to at least somebody (the shame part).
He will find something else in the koran ordering him to fight for allah here on earth to prove his loyalties before being allowed to the whorehouse in the sky. But really, he does not care about hell of the whorehouse either. He is only interested in keeping the peace in his house.
He has to fight for his allah guy? Then I ask him why his allah guy can't look after himself (the shame part). The answers seem to be different every time, and are usually funny.
For such a person, you will have to appeal to him or shame him into realizing that islam does not give him a better house. Quite the opposite. Or perhaps appeal to him that islam does so much damage outside his house, that he will have to consider the damage islam did inside his house.
I agree. See responses above. (no water, and all that sand).
So when you come across 'swearing/shouting' that paletinians are not being "True Muslim (tm)", you are only addressing a very very tiny fraction of the muslim world (which is a 'True Muslim (tm)'. And a very small portion of the non-muslim world.
I am not inside Bruce's head but I believe this goes along the reason why, he called your association of palestinians with the 'true muslim (tm)' to be simplistic. Because, let's face it, it is simplistic in as much as it only addresses the most simple of the islamic fabrics.
This tiny fraction of 'True Muslim (tm)' are irrelevant and insignificant to you in as much as they are best dealt with by reformed muslims (if such a thing ever comes to exist), secular muslims (again I have my doubt), or by ex-muslims, or by soldiers (foreign soldiers as well as local).
Now you can always, use the image of the 'true muslim (tm)' as an end-result that you can present to non-muslims to demonstrate to them what to expect from islam. Ali Sina chose to demonstrate the 'True Muslim (tm)' using the person of Muhammad. The Prophet of doom is also self-explanatory. But to use an entire population of muslims, and an oppressed one at that, to make that demonstration is very very counter-productive.
Generally speaking, you will have the best impact with non-muslims around you as you are One of them. Your Second best impact will be with muslim intellectuals who cares bout intellectual and academic goals. Such a person will care about the bad effects of pedophilia (or even recognizes it when they see it) or will know how to research history to know what really happened and how it can happen again.
I will ponder what you say in this last part, and maybe respond later (I have a meeting to go to now), except to say that being muslim, and being intellectual, are, in my mind, mutually exclusive.
I don't think it is simplistic to associate the Palestinian leadership with being true muslims. From what I can see, they are thieves, mysoginists, and murderers, just like their prophet. How much can a guy be a truer muslim than to follow the example of their prophet?
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