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  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an Debunked.
     Reply #120 - March 09, 2011, 01:55 AM

    "As has been said many times. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."

    Said by who moron? And do you have extraordinary evidence for that magic rule? Nope. Contradiction.

    "Which is more likely, the idea that the creator of the universe magically impregnated a girl"

    Hey retard, did you read God's word, or are you lying, or being a troll? Where does it say "magically", dur? MOROOOOOOOOOOOON.

    "so that her miraculous son"

    Miracle means amazing event that can't be explained by US you idiot. Thanks once again atheist retard for making a Christian do the leg work for you, you information hating idiot. So hard using a dictionary or a search engine ya sicko parrot. Not.

    "could bring the world gods message"

    Do tell us lazy moron how it should have been done. Let me guess massive massive idiot: "However me the massive idiot said so, the smug parrot who hates reading and who thinks my feelings and mockery is extraordinary evidence and evidence period that whatever I say is true is true." Kill yourself you idiot.

    "or that a Jewish girl"

    Racist: what race should it have been racist? Sexist: why does it matter if it was a girl stupid idiot? Durrrrrr, yur an idioooot.

    "in a patriarchal society"

    Retard what's that have to do with anything? How about, "in a world that has bananas"? What scatterbrained illogical moron. So you hate patriarchies and that has what to do with true ya massive moron? Why hate patriarchies you sexist moron? Can you make sense? Nope. Ya hate men and women and Jews and everything in general, because you're a hatemonger and sociopath.

    "that fears sex"

    Huh... Where did you get that mocker? What a dumb mocker. Mocker.

    "told a porky pie"

    Grow up ranting retard.

    "about being a virgin?"


    Told what about what? Make ya stupid babbler. And omg: God can't do anything in this universe let alone get a Jewish girl pregnant with a human, omigod that is such a major miracle. ASSTARD: YA CAN'T EVEN EXPLAIN HOW THIS UNIVERSE EXISTS OR A SINGLE THING OR HOW BABIES ARE FORMED OR HOW PREGNANCY IS POSSIBLE AND YET YOUR MORON SELF IS CONTENTIOUS OVER GOD MAKING A HUMAN BODY FOR HIMSELF? Arbitrary retard. Damn God if he does, and if he doesn't, cuz ur a hatemonger retard who could care less about truth, but loves to troll.

    "These fairy tales are paper thin."

    Yes, the immaturely rankly named Big Bang meant to offend Christians (wow so mature to call an expansion with no center a big bang (sicko retards bashing their beliefs in a crude way, while Christians DO NOT ya hypocrites) and evolution are very paper thin. Still waiting 34 billion years later for ANY evidence of either. There are mountains of contradictions and evidence against them though. Something ya can't say about the Bible.

    "The miracle is that so many gullible souls believe them."

    The miracle is that there are millions of morons still babbling insults at Christians, God and the Bible in ignorance despite being surrounded by computers and books and God's - MIRACLES YA MORON MIRACLES YA MORON YOU'RE SURROUNDED BY THINGS YOU CAN'T EXPLAIN YA IDIOT -  they can freely use for a few dollars or with some little effort to learn more about the best selling most translated most inspirational most influential book in the world, which has lead to modern science, which idioasses like you hijacked with your endless weary cliche insults and bullying of Christians, cuz there are more lust addicted narcissist sickos like you with money, CUZ YA STEAL AND CHEAT A LIE AND MURDER ALL DAY LONG, MARGINALIZING THOSE WHO RESIST AND REFUSE TO ACT LIKE YOU.

    You're hypocrite insults and accusations, Satan worshiping animal, apply to you, not those who obey God's commandments, which are a miracle you're idiot self still refuses to recognize. Once again idiot truth-denier, LOOK AT THEM MORON:

    1) DON'T BLASPHEME GOD'S NAME, AND WHY NOT? DUR. AND WHAT DOES HIS NAME STAND FOR? WELL CONVENIENTLY IT'S ALL IN A BOOK FOR UR DUMB LAZY HATER SELF AND CONVENIENTLY RIGHT UNDER THAT LAW YA MORON:
    2) DON'T HAVE OTHER IMAGINARY GOD'S BEFORE ME (INCLUDING DARWIN DAWKINS SAGAN AND HAWKING AND YOU YOU MORON)
    3) DON'T ENGRAVE IMAGINARY GODS (GODDA PROBLEM WITH THAT TARDIO ATHEIST? DUR? MOOOROOOOON.)
    4) DON'T BOWN DOWN TO IMAGINARY GODS (GODDA  PROBLEM WITH THAT TARDIO ATHEIST? DUR? MOOOROOOOON.)
    5) DON'T MURDER. (GODDA PROBLEM WITH THAT TARDIO ATHEIST? DUR? MOOOROOOOON?)
    6) DON'T LIE.
    7) DON'T STEAL.
    Cool DON'T COVET.
    9) HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER
    10) REST ON THE DAY GOD RESTED

    And lest your sick parrot mind take this law out of context again, let me explain it to you demonic moron:

    FOR GOVERNMENTS: EXECUTE THE REBELLIOUS. STONE THEM. THAT INCLUDES DRUNKS.

    DO YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT YOU IDIOT? IF YOU DO IDIOT: YOU ARE A SICKO.

    GOD WINS, AND YOU FAIL. BYE TROLL. HAVE FUN BEING EXILED IN HELL FOREVER, BEING THAT YOU OH SO HATE THIS UNIVERSE GOD MADE. BIG BANG DID IT, EVOLUTION DID IT, DARWIN SAID IT. WHERE'S THE EXTRAORDINARY CLAIM THAT:

    34 BILLION YEARS AGO THERE WAS A MAGICAL BIG EXPLOSION FOR NO REASON THAT MADE A UNFATHOMBLY COMPLEX AND UNFATHOMABLY ORDERED UNIVERSE OR UNFATHOMABLE BEAUTY WITH... LIFE! AND WHAT KIND OF LIFE? ALL KINDS THAT WE CAN HARDLY UNDERSTAND, WITH EMOTIONS OF MANY KINDS, WITH MUSIC, LANGUAGE, MATH AND MUCH MORE. AND BY MAGICAL EVOLUTION THAT TOOK BILLIONS OF YEARS AND LEFT BEHIND NO EVIDENCE AFTER TRILLIONS OF BONES FALLING TO THE GROUND?Huh???!!!!!!!! WOW WHAT A MIRACLE THAT A BILLION PEOPLE BELIEVE SUCH MAGICAL NONSENSE, AND ALL ON FAITH! WHERE'S THE EVIDENCE IDIOT? WHAT YOU'RE CONFUSED SELF CALLS "PROOF"? WHERE'S THE PROOF FOR THE OTHER BILLION WHO KNOW UR A MORON? YA GOT NOT YA FINGER POINTING LIBELING SLANDERING SLOBBER BRAIN HYPOCRITE. UR A SICKO TROLL AND YOUR SIN IS NAKED BEFORE ALL.

    AND DUMB, SICK, LIBELING, SLANDERING INSULTING SICK MORON, ULTRA MORON, INSULTING ULTRA MORON: WHY ARE YOU INSULTING THE MILLIONS OF CHRISTIANS THAT DIED TO KEEP THE COUNTRY YOU ARE IN, IN EXISTENCE, AND PEACEFUL, AND OTHER COUNTRIES WITH THEIR HARD EARNED MONEY, AND EVEN IN THEIR POVERTY, RISKING THEIR LIVES GOING OVER TO THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES, AND RISKING TORTURE, RAPE AND ENSLAVEMENT, UNLIKE YOU, YOU ARMCHAIR INSULT MACHINE AND COWARD? EASY FOR YOU TO TYPE A BUNCH OF CLICHE MOCKS WHILE OTHERS DIE IN HOPES YOU WILL LIVE HUH? WHAT A SICKO DESERVING OF ENDLESS PUNCHES TO THE FACE. WHY HAVE YOU INSULTED THE MILLIONS OF CHILDREN WHO DIED BY THE HANDS OF PAGANS AND CATHOLICS WHO DIDN'T APPROVE OF THEIR FORM OF CHRISTIANITY? DO YOU KNOW WHAT I'M REFERRING TO STUPID? HISTORY IGNORANT? WHAT ABOUT THIS HISTORY IGNORANT: IS 250,000,000 KILLINGS, MANY OF THEM DIRECT MURDERS, ARE ALL THOSE DEATHS HELPING THE WORLD TO EVOLVE, OR "PROGRESS", AND THE ENDLESS MURDERS OF UNBORN BABIES THAT THAT FIGURE DOESN'T INCLUDE IN... THOSE ATHEIST MASS MURDERS?

    HOW DID HITLER'S MASS MURDERS, THE SAME HITLER WHO LOVED NIETZSCHE, HOW DID STALIN'S MASS MURDERS, THE SAME STALKIN WHO USED BLYTHS THEORY OF EVOLUTION TWISTED BY DARWIN, HOW DID MAO ZEDONG'S, POL POT'S, AND OTHER MASS MURDER ATHEISTS, AND OPPRESSIVE ONES - HOW DID ANY OF THOSE MASS MURDERS THAT GO PAST 250,000,000, HELP US TO TO "EVOLVE" AND PROGRESS AND IMPROVE? AND TOWARDS WHAT YA MORON? MORE: "I'LL SEND YOU TO HELL UNLESS YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN GOD, CUZ MY FEELINGS MAKE ME RIGHT."?

    HYPOCRITE CRIMINAL: "WITH THE JUDGMENT YOU USE SHALL YOU BE JUDGED AND WITH THE MEASURE YOU USE SHALL YOU BE MEASURED." "EYE FOR AN EYE, TOOTH FOR A TOOTH." Go whine over that poor criminal, keep complaining. Heap up your sin even more so that you will be even more pain in Hell.

    "Waaaah, I can't understand everything waaaah, WAAAAAAH Christians won't do all the thinking for me while I insult them for no reason for not thinking on their own waaaaah I'm such a flaming hypocrite troll waaaaaaaaah. Listen to me whiiine everyone and bitch and moan and complain waaaaaaaah. I'm an illogical ranting moron who can't make sense and I don't care cuz I'm a bitter dumb moron with no life waaaaaaaaah. I have to insult Christians to make my shitty self feel better waaaaaaah. Waaaaaaaah BELIEVE IN MY 34 BILLION YEAR OLD BIG BANG AND BILLIONS OF YEARS OF MAGICALLY CHANGING SOUP LIGHTING CRYSTAL THINGIES THAT TURNED INTO FISH N ENDLESS OTHER ANIMALS THAT I'VE NEVER SEEN N THEN LIKE UH DUR DUH GOT HUMANS UM UH UH HUR YEAH THAT'S SCIENCE! WATCH ANIMATED CARTOONS ON DA DISCOVERY CHANNEL AND JURASSIC PARK AND LISTEN TO PRETENTIOUS JEFF GOLDBLUME ACT ALL SERIOUS AND ACT ALL COOOL THAT'S PROOOOF. HAAAR HURRRR. IM'A FLAMING TROOOOOOOOOLLLLL. LISTEN TO ME RANT AND RANT SO THAT YOU'LL BE DEAD BY THE TIME YOU REALIZING I WAS FLAME BAITING YOU. HAHAHA YOU CHRISTIANS ARE SO DUMB YOU ACTUALLY THINK YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENED 6,000 YEARS AGO LOL RFLOAMAAMASMAMAAAA!!!!! PASTAFARIAN RAMEN SPHETTGETHII FLYING NOODLE BALL MONSTER IN THE SKY DADDY UH DUR IM'A TROLL WHO CAN'T MAKE SENSE LOL LOL I CAN'T FIGURE OUT MY OWN INSULTS UH DUR!!!! LOL HOW CAN YOU BE SO DUMB GOD DID IT HAHAHA THAT YOU THINK YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENED 6000 YEARS AGO LOL!!! HOW CAN YOU NOT BELIEVE THE UNIVERSE BIG BANGED 34 BILLION YEARS AGO YOU IDIOT CHRISTIANS!!!!! ROAAAAAR, ROOOOOAR, LISTEN TO ME SCREAM AND YELL AND RANT AND INSULT YOU CUZ THAT'S EXTRAORDINARY EVIDENCE THAT UR WRONG!!!!! YOU CAN'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED 6,500 YEARS AGO YOU IDIOTS LOL NOW BELIEVE THAT 34,000,000,000 YEARS AGO THERE WAS A BIG BANG THAT MADE THIS SUPER COMPLEX BEAUTIFUL UNIVERSE YOU DON'T APPRECIATE THAT IS HOSTILE TO LIFE SO HOSTILE WE CAN ONLY LIVE ON THIS SHITTY UGLY WORTHLESS PLANET THAT ALIENS WON'T TOUCH CUZ WE'RE SO STUPID AND EVIL AND LAME, I MEAN YOU CHRISTIANS, U MASS MURDER DEATH KILL CHRISTIANS!!!!! YOU KILLED MILLIONS IN CHINA!!! YOU STOLE THEIR ORGANS FORCE BODY HARMING ABORTIONS ON PEOPLE AND YOU ENSLAVE THEM FOR MEETING IN THEIR HOUSES WITHOUT A PERMIT!!!! AND YOU EVEN BULLDOZE THEM YOU SICKO CHRISTIANS! AND YOU CHOP HEADS OFF AND AMBUSH WITH MACHINE GUNS AND ATTACK JEWS FOR BEING JEWS! YOU RAPE AND STEAL AND UR ALL EVIL! YOU'RE ALL CATHOLICS!"

    MEGA FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIL. YA FAIL YA TROLL. ATHEISTS ARE THE ULTIMATE MORONS AND MOST MURDEROUS GROUP ON EARTH. LIKE YOU OVERSIMPLY IDIOT: WORSHIP MY GOD, OR DIE LIKE YOU HATE MONGER HATE PROVOKING IMMORAL PARASITE CREDIT-THIEVING VIOLENT HYPOCRITES DESERVE.

    tl;dr

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  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an Debunked.
     Reply #121 - April 25, 2011, 02:22 PM

    Hello,

    Quote
    21:30 Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?

    This verse clearly does not mention the conditions of the big bang. This states that the heavens and the earth were two separate entities and they were split apart. The Earth is actually a part of the universe, not separate from it.


    Secondly, Dr Zakir Naik claims that the Qur'an states that the sun rotates around the centre of the galaxy with the following verse



    Why do you mistranslate? The verse actually says they were one thing than they separated. Tell me mr. genius how else would you say something that is now apart was together as a unit once before? And look at yourself skipping where He says 'we made every living thing from water'. And today's science is saying that the first organisms begun from the depth of oceans. And did you skip the next verse which says: "We made the skies a safe roof." They discovered the ozone layer in the Prophet's time?!

    Quote
    21:33 It is He Who created the Night and the Day, and the sun and the moon: all (the celestial bodies) swim along, each in its rounded course.

    This verse clearly states that the sun and the moon rotate around the Earth, as was commonly believed at the time which agreed with the Aristotelian model of a geocentric universe. Why would God refer to the sun rotating around the centre of the galaxy in a verse about night and day? If that was the case, the verse would not make much sense.


    Why do you plug in your views? Why couldn't you say the verse is talking about the motion of the Sun about its own axis or the motion it has along with the solar system. And who said it doesn't make sense? Read again, Talk about Night and Day, than its mean, Moon and Sun, than the fact that all (which could refer to the bodies or all of the four aforementioned, because Night and Day are inferred subjects which because their means 'move' then they also 'move'. So it would make sense to talk about their motion.)


    [qoute]"51:47 With power and skill did We construct the Firmament: for it is We Who create the vastness of pace.

    However, nowhere in this verse does it say that the Universe is expanding, only that it is very big!"[/quote]

    If you understood arabic the verse says: "And the heaven We constructed with strength, and indeed, and we are expanding it"

    Quote
    "So He completed them as seven firmaments in two Days, and He assigned to each heaven its duty and command. And We adorned the lower heaven with lights, and (provided it) with guard."


    Why do you comment without knowledge? The commentary is that Days= periods. Period.

    And last of all, all this detail came from a person who had never been taught before, how could you not consider this fact miraculous  that someone who had never ever been taught anything of literature could bring such concepts with high level of meaning, with such articulation, creation and talk about such detailed things that scientist are finding out today?


  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an Debunked.
     Reply #122 - April 28, 2011, 05:42 AM

    ^

    "Why do you mistranslate? The verse actually says they were one thing than they separated. Tell me mr. genius how else would you say something that is now apart was together as a unit once before?"

    The Earth never existed at this proposed time period, nor did any of its elements.
    The sequence of events required was a multi-Billion year process, this is why the Earth is 5 Billion years old but the Universe itself is over 13.
    All you have done is demonstrate further that the Quran is wrong.


    "And look at yourself skipping where He says 'we made every living thing from water'. And today's science is saying that the first organisms begun from the depth of oceans"

    -Everything is filled with water, thus we are made from it
    -Abiogenesis says that we are made from water
    -Adam was made from dirt, only animals are made of water...
    The above statements are the ones that I've been told in response to this verse, nice to see that you added a 4th.
    At no point does this verse signify 'created in water' and none of the Tafsirs support that argument either.


    "Why couldn't you say the verse is talking about the motion of the Sun about its own axis or the motion it has along with the solar system."


    Because there is no mention of anything beyond visible sight when it comes to the Quran, it doesn't even hint at the idea of a solar system moving through a galaxy.
    I don't even know what you're talking about in the rest of your statement so I won't quote/respond to it.


    "If you understood arabic the verse says: "And the heaven We constructed with strength, and indeed, and we are expanding it""

    Yes, and here is a video demonstrating what 'expanding' really means...
    /watch?v=JyqkAFCaNQM&feature=channel_video_title



    In essence, you have no argument.
    Good bye.

  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an Debunked.
     Reply #123 - April 28, 2011, 11:07 AM

    And look at yourself skipping where He says 'we made every living thing from water'. And today's science is saying that the first organisms begun from the depth of oceans.


    Yes, mighty cats purposely skipped that bit, because he can't explain that. MC is dumb and dishonest like that, you caught him man.
    MC YOU SUCK YOU DISHONEST PRICK NEXT TIME DON'T SKIP A PIECE THAT ACTUALLY PROVES THE QURAN IS FROM GOD.

    Just kidding though
    Here's what Aristotle said about Thales' ideas (c. 624 BC – c. 546 BC)
    Quote
    "(2) Water is the archê of all things. (Metaph. 983b18)" [...] To understand (2) we need to examine its source. Archê is Aristotle’s word: it means beginning or source or principle (cf. “archaic,” “archaeology,” “architect”). Aristotle is here talking about what he called the material archê, which can be either the stuff from which something originated or the stuff of which it is composed. Thus, Thales thought (Aristotle tells us) that everything either originated in water (cosmogony) or is actually (now!) made of water (constituent analysis).


    Don't bother replying either, I'm not really in the mood to get ad hoc questions fired at me every time one of your (weak) 'miracles' is explained, just like MC pwned the living hell out of your arguments; and to have to answer those with a quick google search.
    Yes, one quick search. I googled "aristotle everything made of water", hit the first link and voila, we have the quote above.

    Here's a tip, guidance: watch some videos by searching "quran miracles debunked". Not only those of mighty_cats, but several (different videos use different arguments debunking each claim).
    This way you will not unknowingly dress yourself up in a clown's costume when you argue on this forum. Because that's exactly what happens when you come to us with Zakir Naik (and others like Harun Yahya) bullshit.

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  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an Debunked.
     Reply #124 - April 28, 2011, 11:45 AM

    i am 100% sure this is a troll but i have been finding the inverses of 3x3 matrices and the tediousness of such a process has damaged my sanity

    "As has been said many times. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."

    Said by who moron? And do you have extraordinary evidence for that magic rule? Nope. Contradiction.


    the quote's attributed to christopher hitchens. though the statement itself is more of a general description of what is required for a claim to be considered both valid and sound(generally within a scientific context, but not limited to). for example, to make the claim that humans have the innate ability to fly, one would have to fly without the aid of any tools whatsoever. the demonstration of flying is itself extraordinary, as is the claim that humans can innately fly. it's more a rule of thumb though than anything else.

    "Which is more likely, the idea that the creator of the universe magically impregnated a girl"

    Hey retard, did you read God's word, or are you lying, or being a troll? Where does it say "magically", dur? MOROOOOOOOOOOOON.


    i suppose what he means by 'magically' is that it happened by some unknown and esoteric mechanism, which is true because far as my biblical knowledge takes me, the mechanism of which god impregnanted mary isn't specified.

    "so that her miraculous son"

    Miracle means amazing event that can't be explained by US you idiot. Thanks once again atheist retard for making a Christian do the leg work for you, you information hating idiot. So hard using a dictionary or a search engine ya sicko parrot. Not.


    so does that mean that when something is explained, it is no longer a miracle?

    "could bring the world gods message"

    Do tell us lazy moron how it should have been done. Let me guess massive massive idiot: "However me the massive idiot said so, the smug parrot who hates reading and who thinks my feelings and mockery is extraordinary evidence and evidence period that whatever I say is true is true." Kill yourself you idiot.


    well it should have been done in a manner such that all people of all times can not doubt the existence of such a being.

    "or that a Jewish girl"

    Racist: what race should it have been racist? Sexist: why does it matter if it was a girl stupid idiot? Durrrrrr, yur an idioooot.

    "in a patriarchal society"

    Retard what's that have to do with anything? How about, "in a world that has bananas"? What scatterbrained illogical moron. So you hate patriarchies and that has what to do with true ya massive moron? Why hate patriarchies you sexist moron? Can you make sense? Nope. Ya hate men and women and Jews and everything in general, because you're a hatemonger and sociopath.


    i'm not sure how describing a patriarchal society makes one a sexist, but i'm struggling to see the point of your comment there.

    "that fears sex"

    Huh... Where did you get that mocker? What a dumb mocker. Mocker.


    the fact that sex is a taboo within such a society, and that promiscuity is looked down upon and punished?

    "told a porky pie"

    Grow up ranting retard.

    "about being a virgin?"


    Told what about what? Make ya stupid babbler. And omg: God can't do anything in this universe let alone get a Jewish girl pregnant with a human, omigod that is such a major miracle. ASSTARD: YA CAN'T EVEN EXPLAIN HOW THIS UNIVERSE EXISTS OR A SINGLE THING OR HOW BABIES ARE FORMED OR HOW PREGNANCY IS POSSIBLE AND YET YOUR MORON SELF IS CONTENTIOUS OVER GOD MAKING A HUMAN BODY FOR HIMSELF? Arbitrary retard. Damn God if he does, and if he doesn't, cuz ur a hatemonger retard who could care less about truth, but loves to troll.


    in what manner is it useful to attribute the phenomenom which has an unknown explanation to an omnipotent, omniscient, transcendental(sometimes immanent though) entity that has sent down scripture, by virtue of the fact that there is no explanation? surely it's more honest to admit it is unknown rather than make up explanations?

    "These fairy tales are paper thin."

    Yes, the immaturely rankly named Big Bang meant to offend Christians (wow so mature to call an expansion with no center a big bang (sicko retards bashing their beliefs in a crude way, while Christians DO NOT ya hypocrites) and evolution are very paper thin. Still waiting 34 billion years later for ANY evidence of either. There are mountains of contradictions and evidence against them though. Something ya can't say about the Bible.


    14 billion*(to two significant figures).

    "The miracle is that so many gullible souls believe them."

    The miracle is that there are millions of morons still babbling insults at Christians, God and the Bible in ignorance despite being surrounded by computers and books and God's - MIRACLES YA MORON MIRACLES YA MORON YOU'RE SURROUNDED BY THINGS YOU CAN'T EXPLAIN YA IDIOT -  they can freely use for a few dollars or with some little effort to learn more about the best selling most translated most inspirational most influential book in the world, which has lead to modern science, which idioasses like you hijacked with your endless weary cliche insults and bullying of Christians, cuz there are more lust addicted narcissist sickos like you with money, CUZ YA STEAL AND CHEAT A LIE AND MURDER ALL DAY LONG, MARGINALIZING THOSE WHO RESIST AND REFUSE TO ACT LIKE YOU.

    You're hypocrite insults and accusations, Satan worshiping animal, apply to you, not those who obey God's commandments, which are a miracle you're idiot self still refuses to recognize. Once again idiot truth-denier, LOOK AT THEM MORON:

    1) DON'T BLASPHEME GOD'S NAME, AND WHY NOT? DUR. AND WHAT DOES HIS NAME STAND FOR? WELL CONVENIENTLY IT'S ALL IN A BOOK FOR UR DUMB LAZY HATER SELF AND CONVENIENTLY RIGHT UNDER THAT LAW YA MORON:
    2) DON'T HAVE OTHER IMAGINARY GOD'S BEFORE ME (INCLUDING DARWIN DAWKINS SAGAN AND HAWKING AND YOU YOU MORON)
    3) DON'T ENGRAVE IMAGINARY GODS (GODDA PROBLEM WITH THAT TARDIO ATHEIST? DUR? MOOOROOOOON.)
    4) DON'T BOWN DOWN TO IMAGINARY GODS (GODDA  PROBLEM WITH THAT TARDIO ATHEIST? DUR? MOOOROOOOON.)
    5) DON'T MURDER. (GODDA PROBLEM WITH THAT TARDIO ATHEIST? DUR? MOOOROOOOON?)
    6) DON'T LIE.
    7) DON'T STEAL.
    Cool DON'T COVET.
    9) HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER
    10) REST ON THE DAY GOD RESTED

    And lest your sick parrot mind take this law out of context again, let me explain it to you demonic moron:

    FOR GOVERNMENTS: EXECUTE THE REBELLIOUS. STONE THEM. THAT INCLUDES DRUNKS.

    DO YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT YOU IDIOT? IF YOU DO IDIOT: YOU ARE A SICKO.

    GOD WINS, AND YOU FAIL. BYE TROLL. HAVE FUN BEING EXILED IN HELL FOREVER, BEING THAT YOU OH SO HATE THIS UNIVERSE GOD MADE. BIG BANG DID IT, EVOLUTION DID IT, DARWIN SAID IT. WHERE'S THE EXTRAORDINARY CLAIM THAT:

    34 BILLION YEARS AGO THERE WAS A MAGICAL BIG EXPLOSION FOR NO REASON THAT MADE A UNFATHOMBLY COMPLEX AND UNFATHOMABLY ORDERED UNIVERSE OR UNFATHOMABLE BEAUTY WITH... LIFE! AND WHAT KIND OF LIFE? ALL KINDS THAT WE CAN HARDLY UNDERSTAND, WITH EMOTIONS OF MANY KINDS, WITH MUSIC, LANGUAGE, MATH AND MUCH MORE. AND BY MAGICAL EVOLUTION THAT TOOK BILLIONS OF YEARS AND LEFT BEHIND NO EVIDENCE AFTER TRILLIONS OF BONES FALLING TO THE GROUND?Huh???!!!!!!!! WOW WHAT A MIRACLE THAT A BILLION PEOPLE BELIEVE SUCH MAGICAL NONSENSE, AND ALL ON FAITH! WHERE'S THE EVIDENCE IDIOT? WHAT YOU'RE CONFUSED SELF CALLS "PROOF"? WHERE'S THE PROOF FOR THE OTHER BILLION WHO KNOW UR A MORON? YA GOT NOT YA FINGER POINTING LIBELING SLANDERING SLOBBER BRAIN HYPOCRITE. UR A SICKO TROLL AND YOUR SIN IS NAKED BEFORE ALL.

    AND DUMB, SICK, LIBELING, SLANDERING INSULTING SICK MORON, ULTRA MORON, INSULTING ULTRA MORON: WHY ARE YOU INSULTING THE MILLIONS OF CHRISTIANS THAT DIED TO KEEP THE COUNTRY YOU ARE IN, IN EXISTENCE, AND PEACEFUL, AND OTHER COUNTRIES WITH THEIR HARD EARNED MONEY, AND EVEN IN THEIR POVERTY, RISKING THEIR LIVES GOING OVER TO THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES, AND RISKING TORTURE, RAPE AND ENSLAVEMENT, UNLIKE YOU, YOU ARMCHAIR INSULT MACHINE AND COWARD? EASY FOR YOU TO TYPE A BUNCH OF CLICHE MOCKS WHILE OTHERS DIE IN HOPES YOU WILL LIVE HUH? WHAT A SICKO DESERVING OF ENDLESS PUNCHES TO THE FACE. WHY HAVE YOU INSULTED THE MILLIONS OF CHILDREN WHO DIED BY THE HANDS OF PAGANS AND CATHOLICS WHO DIDN'T APPROVE OF THEIR FORM OF CHRISTIANITY? DO YOU KNOW WHAT I'M REFERRING TO STUPID? HISTORY IGNORANT? WHAT ABOUT THIS HISTORY IGNORANT: IS 250,000,000 KILLINGS, MANY OF THEM DIRECT MURDERS, ARE ALL THOSE DEATHS HELPING THE WORLD TO EVOLVE, OR "PROGRESS", AND THE ENDLESS MURDERS OF UNBORN BABIES THAT THAT FIGURE DOESN'T INCLUDE IN... THOSE ATHEIST MASS MURDERS?

    HOW DID HITLER'S MASS MURDERS, THE SAME HITLER WHO LOVED NIETZSCHE, HOW DID STALIN'S MASS MURDERS, THE SAME STALKIN WHO USED BLYTHS THEORY OF EVOLUTION TWISTED BY DARWIN, HOW DID MAO ZEDONG'S, POL POT'S, AND OTHER MASS MURDER ATHEISTS, AND OPPRESSIVE ONES - HOW DID ANY OF THOSE MASS MURDERS THAT GO PAST 250,000,000, HELP US TO TO "EVOLVE" AND PROGRESS AND IMPROVE? AND TOWARDS WHAT YA MORON? MORE: "I'LL SEND YOU TO HELL UNLESS YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN GOD, CUZ MY FEELINGS MAKE ME RIGHT."?

    HYPOCRITE CRIMINAL: "WITH THE JUDGMENT YOU USE SHALL YOU BE JUDGED AND WITH THE MEASURE YOU USE SHALL YOU BE MEASURED." "EYE FOR AN EYE, TOOTH FOR A TOOTH." Go whine over that poor criminal, keep complaining. Heap up your sin even more so that you will be even more pain in Hell.

    "Waaaah, I can't understand everything waaaah, WAAAAAAH Christians won't do all the thinking for me while I insult them for no reason for not thinking on their own waaaaah I'm such a flaming hypocrite troll waaaaaaaaah. Listen to me whiiine everyone and bitch and moan and complain waaaaaaaah. I'm an illogical ranting moron who can't make sense and I don't care cuz I'm a bitter dumb moron with no life waaaaaaaaah. I have to insult Christians to make my shitty self feel better waaaaaaah. Waaaaaaaah BELIEVE IN MY 34 BILLION YEAR OLD BIG BANG AND BILLIONS OF YEARS OF MAGICALLY CHANGING SOUP LIGHTING CRYSTAL THINGIES THAT TURNED INTO FISH N ENDLESS OTHER ANIMALS THAT I'VE NEVER SEEN N THEN LIKE UH DUR DUH GOT HUMANS UM UH UH HUR YEAH THAT'S SCIENCE! WATCH ANIMATED CARTOONS ON DA DISCOVERY CHANNEL AND JURASSIC PARK AND LISTEN TO PRETENTIOUS JEFF GOLDBLUME ACT ALL SERIOUS AND ACT ALL COOOL THAT'S PROOOOF. HAAAR HURRRR. IM'A FLAMING TROOOOOOOOOLLLLL. LISTEN TO ME RANT AND RANT SO THAT YOU'LL BE DEAD BY THE TIME YOU REALIZING I WAS FLAME BAITING YOU. HAHAHA YOU CHRISTIANS ARE SO DUMB YOU ACTUALLY THINK YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENED 6,000 YEARS AGO LOL RFLOAMAAMASMAMAAAA!!!!! PASTAFARIAN RAMEN SPHETTGETHII FLYING NOODLE BALL MONSTER IN THE SKY DADDY UH DUR IM'A TROLL WHO CAN'T MAKE SENSE LOL LOL I CAN'T FIGURE OUT MY OWN INSULTS UH DUR!!!! LOL HOW CAN YOU BE SO DUMB GOD DID IT HAHAHA THAT YOU THINK YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENED 6000 YEARS AGO LOL!!! HOW CAN YOU NOT BELIEVE THE UNIVERSE BIG BANGED 34 BILLION YEARS AGO YOU IDIOT CHRISTIANS!!!!! ROAAAAAR, ROOOOOAR, LISTEN TO ME SCREAM AND YELL AND RANT AND INSULT YOU CUZ THAT'S EXTRAORDINARY EVIDENCE THAT UR WRONG!!!!! YOU CAN'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED 6,500 YEARS AGO YOU IDIOTS LOL NOW BELIEVE THAT 34,000,000,000 YEARS AGO THERE WAS A BIG BANG THAT MADE THIS SUPER COMPLEX BEAUTIFUL UNIVERSE YOU DON'T APPRECIATE THAT IS HOSTILE TO LIFE SO HOSTILE WE CAN ONLY LIVE ON THIS SHITTY UGLY WORTHLESS PLANET THAT ALIENS WON'T TOUCH CUZ WE'RE SO STUPID AND EVIL AND LAME, I MEAN YOU CHRISTIANS, U MASS MURDER DEATH KILL CHRISTIANS!!!!! YOU KILLED MILLIONS IN CHINA!!! YOU STOLE THEIR ORGANS FORCE BODY HARMING ABORTIONS ON PEOPLE AND YOU ENSLAVE THEM FOR MEETING IN THEIR HOUSES WITHOUT A PERMIT!!!! AND YOU EVEN BULLDOZE THEM YOU SICKO CHRISTIANS! AND YOU CHOP HEADS OFF AND AMBUSH WITH MACHINE GUNS AND ATTACK JEWS FOR BEING JEWS! YOU RAPE AND STEAL AND UR ALL EVIL! YOU'RE ALL CATHOLICS!"

    MEGA FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIL. YA FAIL YA TROLL. ATHEISTS ARE THE ULTIMATE MORONS AND MOST MURDEROUS GROUP ON EARTH. LIKE YOU OVERSIMPLY IDIOT: WORSHIP MY GOD, OR DIE LIKE YOU HATE MONGER HATE PROVOKING IMMORAL PARASITE CREDIT-THIEVING VIOLENT HYPOCRITES DESERVE.


    lol. maybe when i finish off this vector work i'll look at the rest of the post.
  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an Debunked.
     Reply #125 - May 21, 2011, 07:02 PM

    Snowflakes Proof of Allah?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbZR8dJ6Vqk

  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an Debunked.
     Reply #126 - May 21, 2011, 07:06 PM

    boy dreamy eyes....

    Sure .. Allah created PERFECT STUPID in that dumb lady.. sure you are a high school drop out., That is the level of science we have in Islam filled brains..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an Debunked.
     Reply #127 - May 21, 2011, 07:09 PM

    I believe the existence of yeezevee is a scientific miracle.
  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an Debunked.
     Reply #128 - May 21, 2011, 07:33 PM

    I believe the existence of yeezevee is a scientific miracle.

    I can not believe "YOU SAID THAT TOOR"  but you are actually right.,

     if not miracle(which i don't believe) but  the probability a person like me alive was(NOT IS) indeed very low.. lol..    

    Damn.. in a way   that is funny  to read your words and think backwards..  I am ..I am grateful to many including a Muslim priest/ village doctor., (Like him  100s of millions that Muslim priest/ village doctor never read Quran/hadith/sunnah  scriptures/sayings of Islam in its totality or if he read few verses he never thoyght about what they are saying)

    Now miracle/scientific miracle. nothing a but a process that we don't understand and there are zillion to the power of zillion things that we don't understand.  So yes existence of "yeezevee"  is a scientific miracle. in fact the birth of the first biological bacterial species on the the earth 5 ro billion years back is indeed miracle. Hence you, me and everything in biology on this earth is a miracle dear toor..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an Debunked.
     Reply #129 - May 21, 2011, 09:07 PM

    MashaAllah!  Cheesy

    "Beauty is truth, truth beauty," - that is all
            Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know.

    - John Keats
  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an Debunked.
     Reply #130 - May 21, 2011, 11:34 PM



    Is this for real? Cheesy Cheesy. Slaves of Harun Yaha! Lmao
    I suspect a vast majority of people making the most noise about science in Islam are people who have never studied science in their life!



    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an Debunked.
     Reply #131 - May 22, 2011, 01:59 AM

    -Edited-
  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an Debunked.
     Reply #132 - May 22, 2011, 02:20 AM

    Just look at all the misery, diseases and natural disasters affecting humans and all other living things all around the world.

    Everything happens for a reason. Allah knows best.

    "Life is not a matter of holding good cards, but of playing a poor hand well."
    - Robert Louis Stevenson
  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an Debunked.
     Reply #133 - June 04, 2011, 07:54 AM

    I read in an scientific essay that it took 100 million years for the alpes to develop.
    In the quran I found that god has put the mountains into the earth in 4 days???

    Can anybody explain the contradiction?Huh???
  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an Debunked.
     Reply #134 - June 04, 2011, 08:04 AM

    Everything happens for a reason. Allah knows best.


    This ensures that a Muslim never loses a 'debate'!



    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an Debunked.
     Reply #135 - June 04, 2011, 11:48 AM

    Is this for real? Cheesy Cheesy. Slaves of Harun Yaha! Lmao
    I suspect a vast majority of people making the most noise about science in Islam are people who have never studied science in their life!


    I agree with you, and what is sad is how they depend on the scholars who have never studied science as well rather than read an ordinary secondary school textbooks which has the basic explanation of all that.

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an Debunked.
     Reply #136 - August 02, 2011, 04:55 PM

    there are many other miracles in the quran that have not been mentioned and have more specific detail. You have clearly picked weak sources, i challenge you to find other miracles and "dubunk" them.
  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an Debunked.
     Reply #137 - August 02, 2011, 04:58 PM

    LOL. How about you show us these 'miracles'?
  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an Debunked.
     Reply #138 - August 02, 2011, 04:59 PM

    there are many other miracles in the quran that have not been mentioned and have more specific detail. You have clearly picked weak sources, i challenge you to find other miracles and "dubunk" them.


    One of which is?

    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an Debunked.
     Reply #139 - August 02, 2011, 05:07 PM

    there are many other miracles in the quran that have not been mentioned and have more specific detail. You have clearly picked weak sources, i challenge you to find other miracles and "dubunk" them.


    Please address which ones you're talking about specifically. Create a thread if you have to, or post it here.

  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an Debunked.
     Reply #140 - August 02, 2011, 08:14 PM

    Post it here ...

    Best keep it all in one place .

    "Tomorrow is the today you were worried about yesterday" Unknown
  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an Debunked.
     Reply #141 - August 02, 2011, 08:58 PM

    My friend shoved the Bucaille book under my nose the other week. So I took it home and read a a couple of chapters, this Speed of Light 'miracle' was one of them.

    Looking at the calculations, the margin of error was quite close (within 10% or so) but when you look more closely you can see that they are comparing apples with oranges.

    Firstly the scripture says Affairs (not light) but anyway here is the issue:

    1 day for god is supposed to equal 1000 years for humans (an arbitrary figure anyway)

    So why do they compare the rotation of the EARTH (1 day) with 1,000 orbits of THE MOON, surely they should be comparing 1,000 orbits of the EARTH no? An orbit of the moon does not equal a year. I suppose the counter-argument by apologists is that at the time the book was written, people used the moon to count the months. Sounds awfully like to me using the measurements that best fit the desired conclusion. If the moon orbit didnt work, they would have used Mercury or Venus, or perhaps Pluto or any celestial body that fit the figures?

    Maybe I have got this wrong but it seems awfully tenuous to me. Can anyone add any more to this?

    Reminds me of an argument that the Christian Creationist Crew used to 'prove' the earth HAD to be younf (ie not more than say...oooh... 6,000 years old)

    They 'calculated' that due to the doubling of human population growth over a set period, that from 8 peeps (Noah and family) to current population of 6billion people, worked out by a co-efficient of '150 years' to double the population, finally arriving at "from 8 to 6 billion people doubling every '150 years' .... tap tap tap.... over 4,500 years since the Flood.....tap tap tap ....equals 6 billion people. PROVEN that Jesus is Lord and Saviour... Taaa Daaa!!

    Of course they didn take into account wars, famine, drought, disease, and of course that human populations didnt really start to grow until the invention of agriculture about 10,000 years ago or so.

    ANYWAY............

    The final nail in the coffin for their 'theory' was this figure of 150 years for a doubling of populations. How did they get this figure? Answer....They worked backwards, looking for "What growth rate would be required to get the figure of 8 to 6bn in 4,500 years......tap tap tap.... 150 years!!! They then calculated forward again, using a doubling of population co-efficient of ...Oooh, let's say 150 years! and lo and behold, they got the answer they were looking for!! The Bible PROVEN!!!

    This 'biblical proof' also became an apologetics banner, and the vlogger who argued it said he got the figure "from a bloke at his local gym", until potholer54 traced the origin of this 150 year figure back to "answersingenesis", and debunked it THOROUGHLY (thanks potholer)

    These two 'proofs' are so deceptively similar in that they use made up stats or comparison of non-related quantities to arrive at their conclusion.

    Anyway I have rattled on long enough now, sorry to lead off topic a bit there :-)



    I am better than your god......and so are you.

    "Is the man who buys a magic rock, really more gullible than the man who buys an invisible magic rock?.......,...... At least the first guy has a rock!"
  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an Debunked.
     Reply #142 - August 02, 2011, 09:06 PM

    Oh my Gawwwwd! These are stupid women! And one blonde as well  grin12

    Religion is organized superstition
  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an Debunked.
     Reply #143 - August 02, 2011, 09:11 PM

    Er.... The lady said "crystal-like" structures. Excuse my ignorance, but aren't snowflakes ACTUAL crystaline structures, not just "like" crystals but ACTUAL crystals. Correct me if I am wrong but by using the word crystal doesnt she debunk the whole point of her argument by explaining away the 'miracle' explanation of snowflakes using known scientific and well-understood natural explanations, ie crystalisation.

    Anyway I must say, all those ladies are WELL FIT!!! Do you think a non-believing atheist heathen like me has a chance with any (all) of them?

    NO? Shame :-(

    I am better than your god......and so are you.

    "Is the man who buys a magic rock, really more gullible than the man who buys an invisible magic rock?.......,...... At least the first guy has a rock!"
  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an Debunked.
     Reply #144 - August 25, 2011, 11:27 AM

    http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/richard_carrier/islam.html

    this is a good peice on it
  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an Debunked.
     Reply #145 - October 02, 2011, 05:13 AM

    This Youtube channel is dedicated to debunking so called scientific  miracles in the Quran.
  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an Debunked.
     Reply #146 - February 29, 2012, 02:07 PM

    Can someone help me debunk Nadir Ahmed. One of his claims is that the Koran predicts the bubonic plague's cure!

    Volume 4, Book 54, Number 531:

    Narrated 'Aisha: The Prophet said, "Five kinds of animals are mischief-doers (fawasiq) and can be killed even in the Sanctuary: They are the rat the scorpion, the kite, the crow and the rabid dog."

    http://examinethetruth.com/evidence_for_islam.html#plague

    There is nothing I love more than truth and honesty.
  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an Debunked.
     Reply #147 - February 29, 2012, 02:39 PM

    he claims not to intepret the quran

    how do you get from 'mischief' to 'bubonic plague'? without interpreting the quran?

    he had a huge problem with the interpretation of the sea barrier as 'not mixing', because the word 'mix' is not used.
    so perhaps he should show us where the word 'plague' is used in this verse

    and since when has the scorpion been a carrier of bubonic plague?

  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an Debunked.
     Reply #148 - February 29, 2012, 02:41 PM

    Good link serpentofeden  Afro

  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an Debunked.
     Reply #149 - February 29, 2012, 02:52 PM

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