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Reply #540 - January 26, 2010, 05:18 AM

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Ok, you're right. The West views a married man with many mistresses exactly the same way it views a married woman with multiple lovers.

A man with many sexual partners and no emotional attachment to any of them is different from one who has sex with many women at once and has a wife as well. Yeah, your guy friends would call you stud if you`re the former. Youre a casanova. Go tell a guy you re cheating on your wife with a bunch of mistresses, do you think youd be called a stud? Why do you think men with mistresses keep them a secret from everyone? A woman whos married with a bunch of lovers would be called an unfaithful whore- a man who did it would be an unfaithful jackass or something. You have a situation where faithfulness is expected then betraying that results in negative conseqq for men and women. If you`re single then, yeah, that double standard exists- men=studs- from his friends of course, women wouldnt see you as relationship material. a woman in the same situation would be a slut. Although I think the word man-whore is becoming a bit more popular. Some people dont see a difference btwn men and women who have sex with many people at the same time, although obviously not the majority.

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Reply #541 - January 26, 2010, 05:23 AM

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Yeah it's allowed here but it's unfair that a man can divorce without having to go through court but a woman can't do the same.

What do you mean the man is allowed to divorce without court? He needs witnesses and he's obliged to pay expenses.

Anyway, it's quite shocking to learn that Pakistan allows a woman to throw the Mahr in her husband's face, in order to divorce him without giving reasons!!! I thought Pakistanis were too macho to allow this in their courts.

Come to think of it, my understanding is that in Pakistan, women are the ones who actually pay dowries for their husbands to marry them! I know it's a cultural thing, but if the woman is the one who pays in the first place, why is she supposed to throw the Mahr in her husband's face when he paid nothing in the first place?

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Reply #542 - January 26, 2010, 05:23 AM

Quote from: debunker on January 26, 2010, 05:04 AM
You're amazing tara... you keep attacking things I never said. So how about I ask you a straight question to which I hope you give a straight answer:

Does an average Westerner view a married man with many mistresses exactly the same way they view a married woman with multiple lovers? yes/no?

Most likely, yes, they will be viewed the same according to most people.
Lets suppose many people have double standards and think it's much worse if a woman has multiple partners but not so bad for a man, that still doesn't justify Islam allowing such a horrible sexist practice . Even if western culture is sexist, that doesn't mean Islam also has to promote such sexist behaviour especially being the "divine" and "true" religion, it should have been above all the sexism.

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Reply #543 - January 26, 2010, 05:26 AM

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@ Tara

What do you mean the man is allowed to divorce without court? He needs witnesses and he's obliged to pay expenses.

Anyway, it's quite shocking to learn that Pakistan allows a woman to throw the Mahr in her husband's face, in order to divorce him without giving reasons!!! I thought Pakistanis were too macho to allow this in their courts. <

Come to think of it, my understanding is that in Pakistan, women are the ones who actually pay dowries for their husbands to marry them! I know it's a cultural thing, but if the woman is the one who pays in the first place, why is she supposed to throw the Mahr in her husband's face when he paid nothing in the first place?

According to the quran, where does it say that a man must go to court?

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Reply #544 - January 26, 2010, 05:33 AM

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Most likely, yes, they will be viewed the same according to most people.

You live in a dreamland.

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Lets suppose many people have double standards and think it's much worse if a woman has multiple partners but not so bad for a man, that still doesn't justify Islam allowing such a horrible sexist practice . Even if western culture is sexist, that doesn't mean Islam also has to promote such sexist behaviour especially being the "divine" and "true" religion, it should have been above all the sexism.

Judging by the fact you rarely ever seem to get the point of what I'm saying (the same goes for the other thread too), I think it's fair to expect it's a futile exercise to try to remind you of our first conversation regarding this. But to summarize, for a women who is willing to debase herself as to become someone's mistress, it's better for her if she were given the option of being a second wife, instead. And to say that humans are equally capable of accepting polygamy and polyandry is a falsehood and to say that women tend to seek multiple partners as men do is another falsehood.

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Reply #545 - January 26, 2010, 05:35 AM

Quote from: Angel54 on January 26, 2010, 05:26 AM
According to the quran, where does it say that a man must go to court?

like marriage, a divorce is a contract.. it needs witnesses.

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Reply #546 - January 26, 2010, 05:46 AM

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You live in a dreamland.

Judging by the fact you rarely ever seem to get the point of what I'm saying (the same goes for the other thread too), I think it's fair to expect it's a futile exercise to try to remind you of our first conversation regarding this. But to summarize, for a women who is willing to debase herself as to become someone's mistress, it's better for her if she were given the option of being a second wife, instead.

So instead of condeming a man having for having so many sexual partners, Islam just made it legal for him! How convinient for muslim men. But again, what about those men who have affairs with married women. Wouldn't it be fair for them to become her second, third husband?
Polyandry is ridiculous but polygamy isn't?

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And to say that humans are equally capable of accepting polygamy and polyandry is a falsehood and to say that women tend to seek multiple partners as men do is another falsehood.

Wow more sexist bullshit.
I already went over the practice of polyandry in some parts of the world where its practical and useful. So why are you saying that accepting polyandry is a falsehood? Just like most women don't like polygamy, most men don't like polyandry.
And you seriously think that men desire multiple women but women only desire one man?

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Reply #547 - January 26, 2010, 05:49 AM

One would think god would mention this little tidbit of info in the divorce verses. Much of baqara is dedicated to the subject in detail. At what point in time during the talaqing process do the witnesses come in? How is it he can talaq her three times, unilaterally and still need the intervention of the court. There is no mention of such a thing.

Where does it say divorce is a contract. Could you provide the verses that clarify this?

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Reply #548 - January 26, 2010, 05:53 AM

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@ tara

You live in a dreamland.

Judging by the fact you rarely ever seem to get the point of what I'm saying (the same goes for the other thread too), I think it's fair to expect it's a futile exercise to try to remind you of our first conversation regarding this. But to summarize, for a women who is willing to debase herself as to become someone's mistress, it's better for her if she were given the option of being a second wife, instead. And to say that humans are equally capable of accepting polygamy and polyandry is a falsehood and to say that women tend to seek multiple partners as men do is another falsehood.

You really think women dont cheat much dont you? Lotta faith there. Polygamy is more common, whether it is accepted or not. Its prevalence has nothing to do with whether not people accept it or not. Its equated with bigotry.

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"Most experts do consider the 'educated guess' that at the present time some 50 to 65 percent of husbands and 45 to 55 percent of wives become extramaritally involved by the age of 40 to be a relatively sound and reasonable one." According to Peggy Vaughan, author of The Monogamy Myth, first published in 1989 by Newmarket Press (third edition published 2003).

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22 percent of married men have strayed at least once during their married lives.
14 percent of married women have had affairs at least once during their married lives.
Younger people are more likely candidates; in fact, younger women are as likely as younger men to be unfaithful.

http://www.menstuff.org/issues/byissue/infidelitystats.html

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Reply #549 - January 26, 2010, 06:07 AM

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So instead of condeming a man having for having so many sexual partners, Islam just made it legal for him! How convinient for muslim men. But again, what about those men who have affairs with married women. Wouldn't it be fair for them to become her second, third husband?
Polyandry is ridiculous but polygamy isn't?

I cited the issue of children, but you imply that since some freakish communities accept polyandry, the husbands treat all the children as their own (contrast this to polygamy where each mother knows her children), and you also imply that this is as common and acceptable as polygamy.

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Wow more sexist bullshit.
I already went over the practice of polyandry in some parts of the world where its practical and useful. So why are you saying that accepting polyandry is a falsehood? Just like most women don't like polygamy, most men don't like polyandry.
And you seriously think that men desire multiple women but women only desire one man?

The bullshit is to take isolated rare situations and make it the human norm. Humanity, by and large, rejected polyandry while accepted polygamy.. get over it already.

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Reply #550 - January 26, 2010, 06:08 AM

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One would think god would mention this little tidbit of info in the divorce verses. Much of baqara is dedicated to the subject in detail. At what point in time during the talaqing process do the witnesses come in? How is it he can talaq her three times, unilaterally and still need the intervention of the court. There is no mention of such a thing.

Where does it say divorce is a contract. Could you provide the verses that clarify this?

Baqarah?

anyway, check out verse 2 (witnesses are needed).
http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/065.qmt.html

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Reply #551 - January 26, 2010, 06:13 AM

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Here's another website for you:

http://www.infidelityfacts.com/why-women-cheat.html

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Why Women Cheat

Statistically, women don't cheat for the sake of sex. It's of secondary concern for them. The #1 reason why they cheat is for an emotional connection. And this is particularly true of women over the age of 30.

In more than a few instances, women won't even cheat physically. They will carry on emotional affairs...where they'll fall in love and experience emotional intimacy with a men, while never taking it to the physical level. It's these type of affairs that can continue on for years, without ever being detected, and often leaving a wake of destruction in their path.

Studies have found that in long-term relationships, women, whether they work outside of the house or not, often find themselves "shut out" emotionally. Over 70% of women are still the primary caregivers for their children while also being the cook and the maid...whether or not they have a full or part-time job. This leaves them precious little time for themselves to foster a woman's natural urge to grow emotionally. An urge typical ignored by men whose primary interest is physical contact.

Thus the longing for a man who can "see who they really are" begins. And in the weeks, months or even years that follow, they will usually find such a man - or think they've found one. An interesting point to takeaway of this female need for an "emotional bond" : affairs initiated by women generally last 3 times long than those initiated by men.

contrast this to:

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Why Men Cheat

Statistically speaking, men cheat for a single primary reason: sex.

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http://www.infidelityfacts.com/why-men-cheat.html

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Reply #552 - January 26, 2010, 06:36 AM

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"After researching women's sexuality for more than ten years, I can honestly say that most of our societal beliefs about females are grossly distorted and many are completely erroneous."

-Michelle Langley, author of Women's Infidelity

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Women's Infidelity: Living In Limbo Explains:

Why females push males for commitment

Why females "think" they're naturally monogamous and why males think so too

Why women can't tell men what they really want

Why women like getting married but not being married

Why women lose sexual desire for their husbands and what women really do want sexually

Why women are more likely than men to become addicted to affair sex

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Why women cheat differs from woman to woman. Some do it for love, some for sex, some need a boost in their self-esteem and some are just wired to be unfaithful

The Low Self-Esteem Wife:
The Emotionally Starved Wife:
The Angry Wife:
The Sexually Deprived Wife:

Not gonna post ev thing under these subheadings--- too much info.

There are different reasons for why women cheat to generlize them and say its for an emotional connection is wrong.

I think people really conflate biology and social contructionism.

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The latest figures are out from a survey of American behaviour: 15 percent of women under 35 say they?ve cheated on their spouse ? and that?s just the tip of the infertility iceberg. ?Women underreport affairs in face-to-face studies, so real numbers are likely to be three times higher,? says David C. Atkins, a University of Washington research associate professor who evaluated the stats.
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[It isn?t just opportunity that lures women to wander. Current culture also fuels the cheating mindset. Just as we lust after the latest and greatest It handbag, women want to upgrade their relationships. Fewer guys than ever graduate to college in proportion to girls, so suddenly, we?re settling for men with less education. ? Studies show that if you feel you can do better, you feel more entitled to stray,? says Gary Lewandowski, associate professor of psychology at Monmouth University. Plus, coming of age in the hookup culture only adds to that craving for newness. ?You may have a wild single life and think finding The One will make you not want to fool around,? says Atkins. ?But even a great guy is a lot harder to stay loyal to when you?re so used to variety and freedom,? she adds.

http://www.cosmopolitan.com.au/why_women_cheat.htm

My point, since you missed it before-- women and men cheat for a variety of reasons. Things are changing so its not simply sex and emotion anymore. Its more complex for both. Whether or not you think sth is rare- doesnt matter.

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Reply #553 - January 26, 2010, 06:54 AM

even if women only cheated for an emotional connection, it kind says somehting that they solve lack of emotion in their marriages by seeking other sexual partners.

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i.BACTRIAN MARRIAGE CONTRACT
The Bactrian marriage agreement (Sims-Williams, document A) represents the earliest legal record in a large archive of Bactrian letters and documents. This archive comes from the town of Rob or its vicinity, in present-day northern Afghanistan, and reflects almost five centuries of uninterrupted administrative tradition. The marriage contract is dated by the year 110 of the Bactrian (= Kushano-Sasanian?) era, which probably corresponds to 343 CE. At that time Bactria was ruled by the dynasty of the Kushanshahs, vassals of the Sasanian kings.
In spite of this fact, several features of the Bactrian marriage contract are distinctly non-Sasanian. Its most striking peculiarity is, of course, the marriage of the two brothers Bab and Piduk with a woman Ralik. This confirms the data of Chinese historians who recorded the widespread custom of polyandry in Pre-Islamic Tokharestan. Polyandry was still frequent in the Panjsher valley at the time of Biruni (q.v., 973-1050), and remained common in Tibet up to very recent times.

http://www.iranica.com/newsite/index.isc?Article=http://www.iranica.com/newsite/articles/ot_grp7/ot_marriage_bact_20050113.html

Some Researchers are purporting the view that men and women arent naturally monogamous. Not that men cheat bcuz of biology and women who do it are abnormal or lacking emotion. How do you explain women in happy marriages who cheat. Do you think its a small minority?

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Reply #554 - January 26, 2010, 07:13 AM

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Some Researchers are purporting the view that men and women arent naturally monogamous. Not that men cheat bcuz of biology and women who do it are abnormal or lacking emotion. How do you explain women in happy marriages who cheat. Do you think its a small minority?

Well, given the fact that I don't understand how men in happy marriage cheat, I wouldn't understand how women in happy marriages cheat... if such women exist, I would think they're extremely rare.

Anyway, you ignored to comment on the link I shown you where the reasons for men and women cheating are very different.. the fact that there are women who cheat for sex, doesn't make it the norm. As my link shows, women mostly cheat for emotional reasons and rarely take it to the physical level.

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Reply #555 - January 26, 2010, 07:27 AM

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Baqarah?

anyway, check out verse 2 (witnesses are needed).
http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/065.qmt.html

Yes, baqara- verses 226- 237. Alright you need two witnesses. Why this isnt mentioned in baqarah i dont know, but whatever. Two witnesses, however, do not mean you need the court. He doesnt to divorce her. theyre simply there to take note of what happened. They play no part in the decision making process. For any kind of court system to be employed here you have to show where the witnesses play any part in the mans decision. the decision is completely the mans, whereas, a woman has to go to court to prove cruelty or desertion i think. The quran does not provide a way for a woman to divorce.

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Reply #556 - January 26, 2010, 07:28 AM

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Well, given the fact that I don't understand how men in happy marriage cheat, I wouldn't understand how women in happy marriages cheat... if such women exist, I would think they're extremely rare.

Anyway, you ignored to comment on the link I shown you where the reasons for men and women cheating are very different.. the fact that there are women who cheat for sex, doesn't make it the norm. As my link shows, women mostly cheat for emotional reasons and rarely take it to the physical level.

what the hell are you talking about? Please go bakc and read my posts. I just spent a lot of time replying to the different reason. How did you miss that?? You picked one line of what i posted that wasnt even my most important point and said i ignored everything.

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Reply #557 - January 26, 2010, 08:02 AM

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Yes, baqara- verses 226- 237. Alright you need two witnesses. Why this isnt mentioned in baqarah i dont know, but whatever. Two witnesses, however, do not mean you need the court. He doesnt to divorce her. theyre simply there to take note of what happened. They play no part in the decision making process. For any kind of court system to be employed here you have to show where the witnesses play any part in the mans decision. the decision is completely the mans, whereas, a woman has to go to court to prove cruelty or desertion i think. The quran does not provide a way for a woman to divorce.

Of course, no one makes the decision for the man to divorce, but his decision must be documented (two witnesses).

And it appears you missed the conversation between me and Tara over Khul'. In the case of Khul', no one has to share the decision with the woman, she can get divorce without citing any reason AT ALL, as long as she gives the husband the Mahr back. (if she doesn't want to give the Mahr back, then she has to give good reasons AND the judge decides these reasons are good enough or not). Of course, these details are in Hadith.

That's why I was shocked they allow Khul' in Pakistan. (as far as I know, it's allowed only in Egypt and Saudi Arabia, but Tara says it's allowed inPakistan too).

As for your other posts, you cited many reasons for women cheating ignoring that statistically speaking, men cheat for sex whereas women cheat for emotional connection... no one denies that there are various reasons for women cheating, the point is what is the primary reason, statistically speaking.

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Reply #558 - January 26, 2010, 09:12 AM

Quote from: debunker on January 26, 2010, 01:51 AM
You keep missing the point.

Which is more disrespectful? A woman who is willing to become some married man's mistress or one who is willing to become one of his wives.. .both situations are disrespectful, but the latter is far less disrespectful and besides, no one is enforcing this on the woman.

Neither is disrespectful or immoral per se. As long as such arrangement is a clear free choice of the participants.

Besides "becoming a married man's mistress" in your worldview clearly implies a relation where a male somehow has more power then the female participant.
What if they are just fuck buddies and "the mistress" will dump the "married man" asap and find another fuck buddy if she so chooses.
In such a case surely the man would be the disrespected side.

Quote from: debunker on January 26, 2010, 03:49 AM
Come on, tara! Even in the West, a woman who has multiple partners is referred to as a whore and a man who has multiple partners is referred to as a stud!

You hang around hicks too much.
This may shock you but what you refer to as "The West" is not a homogenous entity. It is rather a culture where various ethical and moral positions are entertained but in general they are based on enlightenment values rather then on Bronze Age superstitions.

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But to summarize, for a women who is willing to debase herself as to become someone's mistress,...

Can you imagine that this "debasing" you refer to is only a product of a certain mindset of yours? Undoubtedly you share this mindset with many other people but this does not make it any less obnoxious. It is controlling and oppressive and it projects and forces its own absolute moral and ethical values onto others.
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Reply #559 - January 26, 2010, 09:48 AM

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Reply #560 - January 26, 2010, 01:25 PM

As I feared, this thread has gone way off topic into a discussion of polygamy and surrounding issues. Maybe a split will be the best thing to do, apologies in advance to the mods for the trouble.

Well I may as well just reiterate that polygamy is a morally repulsive, misogynistic, cruel, evil, loathsome and uncivilised social practise

And Angel54, Kenan and others all speak great truths here. Well done guys.

Now lets steer it back to Mo and his preference for pre-pubescent girls.

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Reply #561 - January 26, 2010, 01:26 PM

Has anybody read this book?

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Jones's controversial novel about A'isha bint Abi Bakr, the "child-bride" and one of the favored wives of Muhammad, comes to light amidst a swirl of debate about free speech. As for the book itself, it's not bad for a first novel. It opens with a 14-year-old A'isha returning to Muhammad in the company of her first love. Fearing she'd been unfaithful, Mohammad sends her back to her parents while he debates her innocence. The novel then backtracks to A'isha's youth, where her strength of character and sharp wit quickly become apparent. When she's betrothed to Muhammad at age six, she's ordered confined to her house (to preserve her virginity) until her marriage three years later. She is forced to leave her beloved Mecca for Medina when it becomes unsafe for Muhammad and his followers, and as Muhammad-here depicted as caring, progressive and politically savvy-marries more women and early followers of Islam face political challenges and devastating battles, A'isha grows from a self-centered child to a worldly woman whose advice and counsel are a source of comfort and strength to Muhammad. The subject matter here is more spectacular than the writing, which tends toward the maudlin and purple. It's a page turner, but not outstanding.

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Reply #562 - January 26, 2010, 01:38 PM

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@ tara

I cited the issue of children, but you imply that since some freakish communities accept polyandry, the husbands treat all the children as their own (contrast this to polygamy where each mother knows her children), and you also imply that this is as common and acceptable as polygamy.

Why are communities that follow polyandry "freakish" but the ones that follow polygamy which is equally messed up not freakish? I never said it's as common but it can be practcical at times and since Islam allows males to have multiple partners, it should have have allowed the same for women. Since it doesn't, it proves that Islam is a sexist religion made up by a horny man who liked to fuck 9 women. It's very obvious how mohammad treated women like sexual objects.

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The bullshit is to take isolated rare situations and make it the human norm. Humanity, by and large, rejected polyandry while accepted polygamy.. get over it already.

Humanity by large hasn't accepted polygamy. Ask any non-muslim woman and she will tell you polygamy is unfair to women and they think having more than 1 wife is outrageous. ONLY muslims find reasons to defend this sexist pratcice because their beloved prophet also had so many wives.

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Reply #563 - January 26, 2010, 01:53 PM

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Well, given the fact that I don't understand how men in happy marriage cheat, I wouldn't understand how women in happy marriages cheat... if such women exist, I would think they're extremely rare.

I have come across women who have cheated on their husbands even when they had a visibly happy marriage. In societies where women are considered equal, it's not rare for them to have affairs just like a man does.

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Anyway, you ignored to comment on the link I shown you where the reasons for men and women cheating are very different.. the fact that there are women who cheat for sex, doesn't make it the norm. As my link shows, women mostly cheat for emotional reasons and rarely take it to the physical level.

You're clearly delusional if you think it's rare for a woman to cheat on her husband physically with another man.
There are hundreds of link that show that men don't cheat just for sex either and most of the time it's for other reasons like low self esteem or unhappiness with their wives.
In fact, the majority?48 percent?said that the cheating was about an emotional disconnection
http://www.newsweek.com/id/160910
So you see, men also cheat due to emtional disturbance, not just for sex.

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Reply #564 - January 26, 2010, 01:58 PM

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Has anybody read this book?

It kicked up alot of fuss as I understand it, but by all accounts, its a whitewash of Mo, Muslims should have embraced it.

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Reply #565 - January 26, 2010, 02:01 PM

Random House backed down. And yeah it's a white wash and they were still NO THIS IS WRONG! Its like dude, they are in the hadits and in the sira, whats the problem? Its your history, she just made it look even more decent, which with Mo is a creative task on its own.

Just imagine if the CEMB ever thought of writing a novel with the material that's out there haha
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Reply #566 - January 26, 2010, 07:49 PM

I read 'The Jewel of Medina'. Yeah, there were some scenes in it which could be considered 'racy' but it was basically the story of early Islam and Muhammad told from Aisha's pov but written as soft-core romance.

Though not Pulitzer Prize wining literature it was definitely more exciting than any of the literature you would find in any Islamic bookshop on the life of the Prophet.

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Reply #567 - January 26, 2010, 08:23 PM

Quote from: IsLame on January 25, 2010, 10:41 PM
It beggars belief how a man obessesed with murder can be the 2nd most respected person to have ever lived.

Also before getting it so badly wrong and almost murdering an innocent man, why didnt the prophet ask for a revelation from God/ or god give him one

Or did these revelations only come for matters like marrying more than 4 wives, or allowing his to bone his son's wife?

I believe it was Mabur that made the revelation that day.

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Reply #568 - January 26, 2010, 08:31 PM

wtf is Mabur?

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Reply #569 - January 26, 2010, 08:34 PM

Quote from: debunker on January 26, 2010, 01:51 AM
You keep missing the point.

Which is more disrespectful? A woman who is willing to become some married man's mistress or one who is willing to become one of his wives.. .both situations are disrespectful, but the latter is far less disrespectful and besides, no one is enforcing this on the woman.

To answer the question: The most disrespectful, is when a man marries a Second woman on top on an existing woman. When the First woman does not agree or even know. Islamic polygamy permits such an act.

As for a woman having a low esteem, that is a bad issue in societies that treat women like an inferior, like they are the shit of the Earth. When the woman is educated and treated like an equal, then those extreme cases of low-esteem issues will go away.

As for polygamy as a solution to low self-esteem, polygamy is currently mostly used to destroy self-esteem. It us used as a sword on top of the neck of the wife: If you do not do this, I will remarry.

We have no proof for the statement about polygamy as a solution to low self-esteem. Just a wishful thinking that polygamy will take care of the low 'self-esteem' problem. What we do have however, is the demonstrable situation where women, getting older, and then having to contend with their husbands bringing home younger flesh. How is that for destroying self-esteem?

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