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Reply #60 - July 08, 2009, 11:34 PM

I dunno. Who cares? What practical difference does it make?

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Reply #61 - July 08, 2009, 11:37 PM

I think the answer to the question is that Galloway is not a Muslim but due to political considerations he does not want to say so publicly.

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Reply #62 - July 08, 2009, 11:39 PM

Quote from: Q-Man on July 08, 2009, 11:34 PM
I dunno. Who cares? What practical difference does it make?

If you enter public life you should be prepared to answer all sorts of questions which have no practical relevance, that's the nature of politics in any society which has freedom of speech and freedom of the press.

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Reply #63 - July 08, 2009, 11:42 PM

True, but that doesn't make the irrelevant questions any more relevant. I'm not questioning the right of the people to ask such questions, just the wisdom of, and/or motivations behind, asking if Galloway is Muslim.

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Reply #64 - July 08, 2009, 11:45 PM

Quote from: osmanthus on July 08, 2009, 11:37 PM
I think the answer to the question is that Galloway is not a Muslim but due to political considerations he does not want to say so publicly.

That's probably true

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Reply #65 - July 08, 2009, 11:48 PM

Quote from: aliadiere on July 08, 2009, 10:41 PM
I have some information on George Galloway, on quite high authority.

Oh yeah? How come?

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Reply #66 - July 08, 2009, 11:53 PM

Quote from: Q-Man on July 08, 2009, 11:42 PM
True, but that doesn't make the irrelevant questions any more relevant. I'm not questioning the right of the people to ask such questions, just the wisdom of, and/or motivations behind, asking if Galloway is Muslim.

David Cameron was accosted in the street by a journalist asking if he believed in God. Cameron said mind your own business . Ann Widdecombe was asked about her conversion to Catholicism and said there were lots of reasons and they're private. Nick Clegg was asked about religion and he answered "I'm an atheist". Its not like its an unusual subject for a British politician to be asked about.

I don't see why Galloway should be wrapped in cotton wool. Ask him about his religion and if he wants to say mind your own business, that is certainly his prerogative.

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Reply #67 - July 09, 2009, 12:55 AM

re. Galloway - I'm pretty sure his last wife , who divorced him a year or two ago , was muslim . I couldn't find anything when I googled it , but I did hit on this book review which i think is spot on -

http://www.workersliberty.org/node/3546

Galloway's sexism is quite stunning from someone who claims to be a socialist , the thing that struck me the most about his appearance on CBB ( yes , even more than the cat and the leotard ) was what a deeply unpleasant misogynistic bully he is . On the question of his religion he's said several times that he's always felt more comfortable in the company of muslims , and I think a big part of this is that women tend to be excluded - I bet those segregated Respect Party meetings suited george perfectly.
This is not to downplay his calculated political cynicism - I seem to remember him playing up to the catholics in his younger days , and if his attempts to ride back into parliament on the back of muslim support don't pay off it wouldn't surprise me if he undergoes a conversion ...apparently we're expecting a rise in people coming here (UK) from Romania over the next couple of years so I look forward to GG revealing that he's really Georgiou Gallowescu and persuading the rump of the Workers Revolutionary Party to join him in his valiant campaign against vampirophobia...
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Reply #68 - July 09, 2009, 01:01 AM

just found this -

http://news.scotsman.com/georgegalloway/Blow-for-Galloway-as-wife.2622682.jp
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Reply #69 - July 09, 2009, 01:09 AM

Quote from: aife on July 09, 2009, 12:55 AM

http://www.workersliberty.org/node/3546

Not gonna say he's not a sexist or misogynist, but that certainly ain't gonna convince me. Trots try and convict rival leftists in their news organs as sexist, homophobic, capitalist, etc., etc. on a regular basis for the slightest of deviations.

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Galloway's sexism is quite stunning from someone who claims to be a socialist , the thing that struck me the most about his appearance on CBB ( yes , even more than the cat and the leotard ) was what a deeply unpleasant misogynistic bully he is .

CBB? Cat and leotard?

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On the question of his religion he's said several times that he's always felt more comfortable in the company of muslims , and I think a big part of this is that women tend to be excluded - I bet those segregated Respect Party meetings suited george perfectly.

Respect Party meetings are gender segregated? Source?

Quote from: aife on July 09, 2009, 01:01 AM
just found this -

http://news.scotsman.com/georgegalloway/Blow-for-Galloway-as-wife.2622682.jp

Getting upset over a politician's infidelity to his wife-- how American.

I think the French have a healthier outlook on this kind of stuff.

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Reply #70 - July 09, 2009, 01:14 AM

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the thing that struck me the most about his appearance on CBB ( yes , even more than the cat and the leotard ) was what a deeply unpleasant misogynistic bully he is

Me too. I couldn't believe the way he spoke to and about the women in the house, and I also noted his initial two facedness towards that gay guy why sang "You Spin Me Right Round" of whatever its called. He started off being polite to his face and nominating him and bitching about him in the diary room, and then recruited him as an ally after Mr. Gay Guy also turned out to be a misogynistic prick.

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Reply #71 - July 09, 2009, 01:23 AM

Shit, it just hit me what "CBB" stands for-- you guys are judging him on the basis of a reality show? Bwahahahahaha!

The only things worth judging here are the fact that (1) he agreed to be on it in the first place and that (2) you actually watched it!

You guys do realize those shows are carefully edited and choreographed to display the kinds of conflicts and create the "good guys" and "bad guys" the producers/writers want, right?

At least I know Galloway's a jerkoff now, because only jerkoffs appear on those shows.

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Reply #72 - July 09, 2009, 01:24 AM

  Firstly ,I'm not American so save your cultural guilt / self-hate for someone that gives a fuck ( and forget the french , they hate you more than you hate yourself..)- I posted the stuff about his wife because a previous poster asked if any of his ex-wives were muslim , it's relevant to the previous discussion , I wasn't actually looking to bring up his infidelity , but it does point up the man's hypocrisy .
  As stated I came across the review by accident but thought it was a good succint , summation of much of what I hate about Galloway . I'm not posting a source , my opinions are based on years of observing the man , across a variety of media , in real life , and from conversations with actual people . If you can't process anything outside of wikipedia go and look it up yourself......

   as for the cat and the leotard , count yourself lucky if you really don't know what I'm talking about , still gives me nightmares ....
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Reply #73 - July 09, 2009, 01:30 AM

Quote from: aife on July 09, 2009, 01:24 AM
Firstly ,I'm not American so save your cultural guilt / self-hate for someone that gives a fuck ( and forget the french , they hate you more than you hate yourself..)- I posted the stuff about his wife because a previous poster asked if any of his ex-wives were muslim , it's relevant to the previous discussion , I wasn't actually looking to bring up his infidelity , but it does point up the man's hypocrisy .

I know you're not American-- hence the ironic, self-deprecating basis of my statement.

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I'm not posting a source , my opinions are based on years of observing the man , across a variety of media , in real life , and from conversations with actual people . If you can't process anything outside of wikipedia go and look it up yourself......

Aife is a child molester. I have it on good authority from real life and conversations with actual people, I won't post a source-- anyone who wants proof can look it up him or herself.

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Reply #74 - July 09, 2009, 01:31 AM

Uh, why was my previous post edited?

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Reply #75 - July 09, 2009, 01:32 AM

Quote from: Q-Man on July 09, 2009, 01:23 AM

Shit, it just hit me what "CBB" stands for-- you guys are judging him on the basis of a reality show? Bwahahahahaha!

The only things worth judging here are the fact that (1) he agreed to be on it in the first place and that (2) you actually watched it!

You guys do realize those shows are carefully edited and choreographed to display the kinds of conflicts and create the "good guys" and "bad guys" the producers/writers want, right?

Big Brother is broadcast live and unedited on one of C4's cable channels apart from the edited hour every evening broadcast on their terrestrial channel. We watched him live and unedited being a misogynistic bully. You didn't. So judge us how you will, its not going to change what we saw.

(And btw, I tried to quote your post and accidentally hit the edit button. That's why your post has edited by Cheetah written at the bottom of it, I didn't change any of your post. Sorry for the error.)

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Reply #76 - July 09, 2009, 01:33 AM

CBB was very revealing . Apart from the fact that GG is actually MY elected representative , but chose to seal himself off from the world , missing votes on issues he'd made campaign promises about , for a politician who is so fond of moralising , he revealed some unpleasant truths about himself i've already said why i think his sexism is an issue , the bullying was just as bad . Galloway likes to present himself as a plucky champion of the underdog , yet he teamed up with a bunch of egotistical , overbearing middle aged men to pick on a vulnerable young woman half his age whose only crime was to be a bit annoying . He also showed himself to have a truly shocking lack of perspective , demanding to be treated like a hero for participating in idiotic tasks and most disturbingly threatening to get revenge outside the house against a contestant who'd failed to defer to him
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Reply #77 - July 09, 2009, 01:34 AM

Actually, it did change my post, as I had edited it just before. That's okay, I'll just put it back.

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Reply #78 - July 09, 2009, 01:37 AM

Quote from: aife on July 09, 2009, 01:33 AM
CBB was very revealing . Apart from the fact that GG is actually MY elected representative , but chose to seal himself off from the world , missing votes on issues he'd made campaign promises about , for a politician who is so fond of moralising , he revealed some unpleasant truths about himself i've already said why i think his sexism is an issue , the bullying was just as bad . Galloway likes to present himself as a plucky champion of the underdog , yet he teamed up with a bunch of egotistical , overbearing middle aged men to pick on a vulnerable young woman half his age whose only crime was to be a bit annoying . He also showed himself to have a truly shocking lack of perspective , demanding to be treated like a hero for participating in idiotic tasks and most disturbingly threatening to get revenge outside the house against a contestant who'd failed to defer to him

Yeah, Galloway was a jagoff for agreeing to appear on that dumbass show, but it doesn't change the fact that YOU watched it.

If my elected representative agreed to appear on a reality show, that's about all the information I'd need to know not to vote for him.

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Reply #79 - July 09, 2009, 01:39 AM

Quote from: Q-Man on July 09, 2009, 01:34 AM
Actually, it did change my post, as I had edited it just before. That's okay, I'll just put it back.

Very sorry. I had no intention of interfering with your post, I just meant to quote you and hit the wrong button.

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Reply #80 - July 09, 2009, 01:40 AM

know you're not American-- hence the ironic, self-deprecating basis of my statement

a piece of meretricious back pedalling sophistry worthy of the great man himself - noone had mentioned america untill then , so why did you ? Or are you really so egotistical that you just assume every comment relates to you personally ?
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Reply #81 - July 09, 2009, 01:43 AM

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If my elected representative agreed to appear on a reality show, that's about all the information I'd need to know not to vote for him.

She didn't vote for him, but that's no reason for her not to be disgusted by the display of misogynistic bullying displayed by her local MP on a live, unedited C4 feed.

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Reply #82 - July 09, 2009, 01:44 AM

Quote from: aife on July 09, 2009, 01:40 AM
know you're not American-- hence the ironic, self-deprecating basis of my statement

a piece of meretricious back pedalling sophistry worthy of the great man himself - noone had mentioned america untill then , so why did you ? Or are you really so egotistical that you just assume every comment relates to you personally ?

I know you're not American from the stuff you posted on the "stuff you miss" thread-- but if you want to insist I'm "backpedalling", go for it-- certainly doesn't harm my credibility, not that I give too much of a fuck about my credibility amongst people I don't know, but just sayin...

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Reply #83 - July 09, 2009, 01:47 AM

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She didn't vote for him, but that's no reason for her not to be disgusted by the display of misogynistic bullying displayed by her local MP on a live, unedited C4 feed.

Yes, but if anyone, online or off, admits to watching a reality show, I will bust their chops mercilessly. Out of all the garbage on television, reality shows are at the fetid bottom of the barrel. You might as well tell me your favorite musical act is the Backstreet Boys.

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Reply #84 - July 09, 2009, 01:50 AM

Quote from: Q-Man on July 09, 2009, 01:47 AM
Yes, but if anyone, online or off, admits to watching a reality show, I will bust their chops mercilessly. Out of all the garbage on television, reality shows are at the fetid bottom of the barrel. You might as well tell me your favorite musical act is the Backstreet Boys.

this might pass for a witty reply if you hadn't already said your favourite was those titans of musical inventiveness .........the UK Subs
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Reply #85 - July 09, 2009, 01:53 AM

Boooooo! The UK Subs kick ass. Besides, I don't think I said they were my favorite. They're not even my favorite punk band-- that honor would go to the Clash or Black Flag. They are my favorite UK '82 punk band, though.

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Reply #86 - July 09, 2009, 01:55 AM

Is it possible to kick ass from a mobility scooter ?
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Reply #87 - July 09, 2009, 01:55 AM

Quote from: Q-Man on July 09, 2009, 01:47 AM
Yes, but if anyone, online or off, admits to watching a reality show, I will bust their chops mercilessly. Out of all the garbage on television, reality shows are at the fetid bottom of the barrel. You might as well tell me your favorite musical act is the Backstreet Boys.

Q, I don't think you get the implications of this statement - C4 broadcasts it live, unedited on 24 hr feed. You don't have to actively "watch it", you just turn the telly on to something late on Saturday night after you come home drunk, and its there in your face - a British MP verbally abusing a young woman in collusion with a gay guy. Then, the girl dispatched, he wanders off to the diary room to verbally abuse the gay guy behind his back.

Then you realise you are watching crap and turn over/off.

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Reply #88 - July 09, 2009, 02:03 AM

Quote from: aife on July 09, 2009, 01:55 AM
Is it possible to kick ass from a mobility scooter ?

Not saying they still kick ass, but they definitely did back in the day.

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Q, I don't think you get the implications of this statement - C4 broadcasts it live, unedited on 24 hr feed. You don't have to actively "watch it", you just turn the telly on to something late on Saturday night after you come home drunk, and its there in your face - a British MP verbally abusing a young woman in collusion with a gay guy. Then, the girl dispatched, he wanders off to the diary room to verbally abuse the gay guy behind his back.

Then you realise you are watching crap and turn over/off.

I hate to break it to you, but that's still watching it.

It's like when I was riding in this truck with a girl and she was flipping around the radio dial and it landed on the Backstreet Boys. I said "Oh god, not the Backstreet Boys" and she said "Yeah, they suck". and I went to change the channel and she said "No, no. You don't have to change it." Eventually she was forced to admit she liked the Backstreet Boys, which led to years of Backstreet Boys-related jokes and pranks from me, but I really think she felt like a great weight had been lifted off her shoulders once she admitted to liking them.

So free yourself, Cheetah-- come out of the closet and stop living the lie-- you like reality TV.

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Reply #89 - July 09, 2009, 02:10 AM

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So free yourself, Cheetah-- come out of the closet and stop living the lie-- you like reality TV.

I don't like TV, full stop*. However, I do sometimes channel surf, and if its there, its there, it doesn't mean I'm "watching" it.

* Apart from cartoons.

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