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  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #120 - December 02, 2009, 05:30 PM

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    Omaar Khayaam, I see a lack of philosophy books in your list? Any reason for this? By the way I really enjoyed Ed Hussain's its intersting that his father opposed Islamic fundamentalism, and how he got into fundamentalism, anyway as seen as though you are reading it, I'll not spoil it for you

    You might enjoy Immanuel Kant's critique of pure reason 


    Philosophy has been a complete waste of time for humanity.

    2000 years of philosophical search for God yielded nothing.

    Did philosophy invent Penicilin?

    Did philosophy send us to the moon and back?


    No.

    So don't waste time on philosophy or Theology!

    Both try to find Universal Truths using Power of Thought Alone.

    Which is kind of a bonkers approach.
     












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  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #121 - December 02, 2009, 05:46 PM

    I agree partly.  But where in science does it teach you how to behave?

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  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #122 - December 02, 2009, 06:21 PM



    Stranger to History: A Sons Journey through Islamic Lands by Aatish Taseer

    Excellent, passionate memoir. Got trashed by many Muslims reviewers because he cut too close to the bone for their liking. Synopsis from Amazon:

    * When Aatish Taseer receives a challenging letter from his estranged father in Pakistan, he decides to set off on an expedition across the Islamic world in search of his own Islamic heritage, as well as to discover how other young people across the Middle East felt about theirs. In a post-9/11 world Aatish is forced to confront himself and his relationship with the religious and secular worlds he moves in, as one of many 'crisis children living on the faultline of Islam and modernity'. He explores issues of identity and religious self-discovery with a fascinating cross-section of people ranging from transvestites in full hijab in Istanbul, and Norwegians considering conversions in Damascus, to Hare Krishnas in Tehran. As he travels, Aatish tells the story of his own family over the past fifty years. It is an absorbing and thought-provoking journey which culminates in an emotional reunion between Aatish and his father in Lahore, on a day that brings home the stark reality of attempts to reconcile old belief systems and liberal reform in a divided region where East meets West.


    +++++++++


    An End to Suffering: The Buddha in the World by Pankaj Mishra

    One of the best books I have read about the life of Buddha - but its more than that. It is part memoir, part history, part commentary on our world today. The parallels drawn between the India of Buddha's day and our contemporary world full of war, intolerance and suffering are incredible. Very rewarding book. Again, the Amazon synopsis:

    * An accomplished history of the Buddha, An End to Suffering is also a deeply personal story -- the story of Pankaj Mishra's search for meaning, for truth and peace in the modern world and, specifically, in post-colonial, independent India. As he describes his travels to unearth the origins of the Buddha, Mishra offers glimpses into his own quest for enlightenment, from childhood to September 11, from family background to friends met and made, from lessons learned to achievements as a writer. Through this, Mishra reveals the parallels between his time and the Buddha's, between their respective journeys -- and that of their country -- in search of progress and reconciliation.



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  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #123 - December 03, 2009, 12:30 PM

    I agree partly.  But where in science does it teach you how to behave?


    Science says don't have sex without a condom - you will get STDs.

    There done ;-)

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  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #124 - December 03, 2009, 02:53 PM

    I meant ethical issues and on things like how to interact with individuals, family members right through to how to behave a responsible member of society in general?

    These are things that are contained in theology, and psychology, and if you want to do away with both then I am not sure if you can find a like-for-like replacement using science.

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  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #125 - December 03, 2009, 04:00 PM

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    I meant ethical issues and on things like how to interact with individuals


    There are thousands of scientific behavoural studies. Companies use these to effectively manage their work force.


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    , family members right through to how to behave a responsible member of society in general?



    Scientific studies says absent fathers have determental effect on a growing child.

    There done :-)




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  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #126 - December 03, 2009, 04:50 PM

    Science doesn't say what's moral, but without a scientific understanding of the world you cannot always act morally.

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  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #127 - December 03, 2009, 04:52 PM

    Frankly I'm a bit of a moral relativist. I really think it is a matter of time, place and experience. Then there is also the issue of necessity. Morality is really an imaginary and subjective concept.

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #128 - December 03, 2009, 05:02 PM

    There are thousands of scientific behavoural studies. Companies use these to effectively manage their work force.

    Scientific studies says absent fathers have determental effect on a growing child.

    There done :-)

    Science is a study of a sequence and its outcome. 

    It provides little undersranding of ethical dilemmas or other intangibles.  Say for example, is it right to steal from the rich and give to the poor?  I think you may be confusing behavioural sciences which come under the psychology umbrella, in the same way economic science comes under economics.  I wonder if you mean you prefer logical, objective & rational disciplines over and above the others - me too.

    But as you are aware there are branches of philosophy that come this umbrella too.

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  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #129 - December 03, 2009, 05:39 PM

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    Say for example, is it right to steal from the rich and give to the poor?


    It's already done.

    It's called taxes ;-)

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  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #130 - December 05, 2009, 03:35 PM

    Frankly I'm a bit of a moral relativist. I really think it is a matter of time, place and experience. Then there is also the issue of necessity. Morality is really an imaginary and subjective concept.



    Objective Morality is an illusion, it is a cultural archetype, a dualistic mindset, set of behaviours that constitute morality evolved largely because they provided possible survival and/or reproductive benefits (i.e. increased evolutionary success). Humans consequently evolved "pro-social" emotions, such as feelings of empathy or guilt, in response to these moral behaviours.

    In this respect, morality is not absolute, but relative and constitutes any set of behaviours that encourage human cooperation based on their ideology. all social animals, from ants to elephants, have modified their behaviours, by restraining selfishness in order to make group living worthwhile. Human morality, though sophisticated and complex relative to other animals, is essentially a natural phenomenon that evolved to restrict excessive individualism and foster human cooperation.

    moral codes are ultimately founded on emotional instincts and intuitions that were selected for in the past because they aided survival and reproduction (inclusive fitness). Examples: the maternal bond is selected for because it improves the survival of offspring; the Westermarck effect, where close proximity during early years reduces mutual sexual attraction, underpins taboos against incest because it decreases the likelihood of genetically risky behaviour such as inbreeding.

    The God Delusion suggested that our morality is a result of our biological evolutionary history and that the Moral Zeitgeist helps describe how morality evolves from biological and cultural origins and evolves with time within a culture.

    Group morality develops from shared concepts and beliefs and is often codified to regulate behaviour within a culture or community. Various defined actions come to be called moral or immoral. Individuals who choose moral action are popularly held to possess "moral fibre", whereas those who indulge in immoral behaviour may be labelled as socially degenerate.


  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #131 - December 24, 2009, 08:52 AM

    Has anybody read this book?

    The Hidden Origins of Islam: New Research into Its Early History (Hardcover)
    ~ Karl-Heinz Ohlig (Editor), Gerd-R Puin (Editor)

    http://www.amazon.com/Hidden-Origins-Islam-Research-History/dp/1591026342

    Some time soon I hope to read everything I can on the origins of the Quran. Gerd-R Puin a scholar within that field.
  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #132 - January 22, 2010, 08:30 PM

    Updated 28/02/10

    Current changes in italic.

    I'm continuously adding and removing books from the list. I've just removed the Ayn Rand books.

    Enjoy!

    Currently reading

    The Stuff Of Thought - Stephen Pinker

    Skeptic/Science/Atheistic

    The Greatest Show on Earth - Richard Dawkins(9/10 - Very thorough and detailed. Dawkins does it again by presenting the evidence for evolution in an easy format for the mass audience.

    Why Darwin Matters? - Michael Shermer (9/10 - Brilliant, short and thorough. Well reasoned, not in the same style as the four horsemen. Leaves the choice up to the reader. Rather than arguing that theology or religion is false. He argues for the coherence of science and evolution.

    Sense and goodness without God - Richard Carrier (9.5/10 - A superb read, thoroughly reasoned and argued. Richard Carrier is probably my favourite modern philosopher. Extremely underrated. It would have got a 10 but was slightly put off by the multiverse argument as a replacement for a first cause. Otherwise it was excellent.

    The new atheism - Victor Stenger (7/10 - I'm familiar with most of the arguments in the book so it wasn't a new revelation for me. It was more a rebuttal to people like Dinesh D'Souza and Alliastair McGrath)

    50 voices of disbelief - Various (7.5/10 - A good read. Thought it was much better than "Leaving Islam".

    How are we to live - Peter Singer (7/10 - Overall good, but rambles too much about animal rights in every chapter)

    The Clash of Fundamentalisms Crusades, Jihads and Modernity - Tariq Ali (8.5/10 - Mainly about American foreign policy and imperialism. I like Tariq Ali and with him being a Pakistani atheist it's easier to get a feel of his thought)

    In Defence of Atheism: The Case Against Christianity, Judaism and Islam - Michel Onfray (7/10 - Not bad if you are already an atheist. Some ranting and anger. The muslim would probably dismiss it as out of context)

    The Demon Haunted World  - Carl Sagan (10/10 - It's the demi-god Sagan. What more can I say?)

    What the Koran Really Says: Language, Text and Commentary - Ibn Warraq (7/10 - A collection of essays by Islamic scholars such as John Wansborough and others. I would only read it if you want a flavour for what western academics have looked into in terms of studying the Islamic sources. The author leans far too much on others and I would like to see some original thought from him)

    Infidel - Ayaan Hirsi Ali (5/10 - The book is so so. I really don't like this woman being one of the people representing frontline muslim apostates. Her knowledge of Islam is poor and very one-sided. Besides Tariq Ramadhan I don't think anyone else would bother debating her. And I wish Sam Harris etc would stop referring to her as a scholar)

    Pale Blue Dot: A Vision of the Human Future in Space - Carl Sagan (9/10 - Do I need to add anything here?)

    Varieties Of Scientific Experience - Carl Sagan (9/10 - Put together by Carl Sagans wife. A collection of lectures that he gave in Scotland somewhere)

    Atheism as a Positive Social Force - Raymond W. Converse (8/10 - Fairly rare and unknown work. Looks at sociological aspects of religion from the dawn of humanity and the impact it has had)

    Portable Atheist: Essential Readings for the Non-Believer - Christopher Hitchens (8/10 - Contains words and things written by atheists throughout the centuries. Really for someone already an atheist)

    The God Delusion - Richard Dawkins (10/10 - This was the second book I read and the one that made me an apostate. I used to squint at this in the bookstore during my doubts. For the layman really and not something I would give to a theologian to read!)

    Letter to a Christian Nation - Sam Harris (9/10 - I like Sam Harris for his blunt attitude and clear response. This is one of them)

    Atheism: The Case Against God - George H. Smith (9/10 - A bit old but still hits the mark. Examines the classic arguments and theodicies put forward by the theologians in detail, slightly technical)

    God the Failed Hypothesis: How Science Shows That God Does Not Exist - Victor J. Stenger (8/10 - This is one of those books that sets out to try to prove a negative, fairs well. I would recommend it to someone with a science and particularly a physics background)

    The Truth About Muhammad: Founder of the World's Most Intolerant Religion - Robert Spencer (6/10 - I really don't like people who simply have some sort of agenda that claims one religions superiority over another. Although this guy is using purely Islamic sources and quotes extensively, it's the tone in his argument that lets it down)

    The Quest for the Historical Muhammad - Ibn Warraq (9/10 - Again not his own work but good in it's own right. I really want to see some original thought from this guy though)

    Why I Am Not a Muslim - Ibn Warraq (9/10 - The works within the book are fine but again no original thought)

    Why Evolution is True - Jerry A. Coyne (10/10 - This is the best book I've read on this subject. There is no
    bashing the opponent, just a simple analysis and laying down of the facts)


    Your Inner Fish: The Amazing Discovery of Our 375-Million-Year-Old Ancestor - Neil Shubin (10/10 - Lighthearted reading showing the similarities we have with our aquatic cousins, inspires awe)

    Blind Watchmaker - Richard Dawkins (9/10 - A classic, I'm sure a review is not needed here)

    The Origin of Species - Charles Darwin (9/10 - The book I would give as a present to friends)

    Atheist Universe: The Thinking Person's Answer to Christian Fundamentalism - David Mills (9/10 - This is the first book I read on the subject of atheism and was the best seller before TGD. Was the first domino and tipped me over the edge)

    God is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything - Christopher Hitchens (10/10 - I have this in paperback and as an audiobook. I think I must have listened to the audiobook in my car about twenty times. I made my missus listen to it as well. I feel that he could have gone on longer with his chapter on Islam. He made a crucial point in the book and one which I didn't think of initially. He said that a rebuttal to one in in effect a rebuttal to all. If the foundation stories of the OT are flawed, then why would the Quranic narratives have any validity? This is my personal favourite)

    Language, Truth and Logic - AJ Ayer (7/10 - Discusses a philosophical position known as "Logical Positivism" see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_positivism. Something that has fallen out of favour. One of the key thoughts is that discussing metaphysics isn't wrong, but that it doesn't mean anything)

    50 Reasons People Give for Believing in a God - Guy P Harrison (7/10 - Not really a polemic but more discussions about why people believe in God. Was okay but riddled with strawmen)

    The Improbability of God - Michael Martin (8/10 - Very academic and technical. You would really need to be familiar with theology and theodicy big time! Various white papers and refutations to arguments put forward by theologians. Not light reading!)

    Atheism - A Very Short Introduction - Julian Baggini (9/10 - Brilliant! Very short, but very direct. Takes a more balanced view and shows why naturalism is an objective and default way of looking at the world)

    Beyond Good and Evil - R J Hollingdale,  Friedrich W Nietzsche (8/10 - When I first read this book, knowing next to nothing about Nietzsche, I gave it 6/10. After listening to a lecture about him and reading it again I have given it a better score. A complete anti-thesis to religious thought. The book discusses ethics and morals and says that the hand me down morals of christianity should be taken apart and a new set of morals and ethics be put in place)

    Leaving Islam - Ibn Warraq - (7/10 - You can read most of these accounts online. Again no original thought)

    The Little Book of Atheist Spirituality - Andre Comte-Sponville (7/10 - Overall good. Not wishy washy and shows that agnostics and atheists can be spiritual just by being in marvel and awe at the complexities of nature itself)

    Against All Gods - AC Grayling (8/10 - Very short. More like a lecture than a book. Takes about an hour to read)

    Dialogues Concerning Natural Religion - David Hume (9/10 - David Hume is one of my idols. His thought is clear and logical. He discusses two of the arguments put forward by theologians and destroys them. The book takes the format of a dialogue taking place between three friends)

    The End of Faith - Sam Harris (8/10 - Direct and well thought out. Muslims really don't like this guy because his primary target is Islam. He quotes from the Quran, but again muslims would dismiss it as out of context)

    Islamic books
    Ancient Beliefs and Modern Superstitions - Martin Lings
    The Vision of Islam - Sachiko Murata
    The Makkan Crucible - Zakaria Bashier
    Sunshine at Madinah - Zakaria Bashier
    Scattered Pictures: Reflections Of An American Muslim - Imam Zaid Shakir
    Way to the Quran - Khurram Murad; Rashid Rahman
    Milestones - Sayed Qutb
    Fiqh Al-imam: Key Proofs In Hanafi Fiqh - Abdur-Rahman Ibn Yusuf
    Hadith Literature: Its Origin, Development & Special Features - Muhammad Zubayr Siddiqi
    On Schacht's Origins of Muhammadan Jurisprudence - Muhammad M. al-Azami
    The History of The Qur'anic Text. - Muhammad Mustafa Al-Azami.
    Mecca: From Before Genesis Until Now - Martin Lings
    The Eleventh Hour: The Spiritual Crisis of the Modern World in the Light of Tradition and Prophecy - Martin Lings
    What is Sufism? - Martin Lings
    Muhammad: His Life Based on the Earliest Sources - Martin Lings
    Even Angels Ask: A Journey to Islam in America - Jeffrey Lang
    Losing My Religion: A Call For Help - Jeffrey Lang
    Struggling to Surrender: Some Impressions of an American Convert to Islam - Jeffrey Lang
    The Broken Chain - Aftab Ahmad Malik
    Let Us Be Muslims - Sayyid A. Mawdudi
    Al-Ghazali on the Remembrance of Death and the Afterlife - Abu Hamid Muhammad ibn Muhammad al- Ghazali
    Al-Ghazali's Path to Sufism: His Deliverance from Error - Abu Hamid Muhammad al-Ghazali
    Inner Dimensions of Islamic Worship - Abu Hamid Muhammad ibn Muhammad al- Ghazali
    Purification of the Heart: Signs, Symptoms and Cures of the Spiritual Diseases of the Heart - Hamza Yusuf
    Al-Nawawi's Forty Hadith - Yahya ibn Sharaf al-Nawawi
    The Meaning of the Holy Qur'an English/Arabic - Abdullah Yusuf Ali

    Wish List
    The Republic - Plato
    Parenting Beyond Belief: On Raising Ethical, Caring Kids Without Religion - Dale Mcgowan
    The Dragons of Eden Speculations on the Evolution of Human Intelligence - Carl Sagan
    Breaking The Spell - Daniel Dennett
    Darwin's Dangerous Idea: Evolution and the Meanings of Life - Daniel C. Dennett
    The Caged Virgin: A Muslim Woman's Cry for Reason - Ayaan Hirsi Ali
    A Brief History of Time - Stephen Hawking
    Einstein in His Own Words: Science, Religion, Politics, Philosophy - Anne Rooney
    The Satanic Verses - Salman Rushdie
    The Venture of Islam Vol 1,2,3 - Marshall Hodgson
    The Ancestor's Tale: A Pilgrimage to the Dawn of Evolution - Richard Dawkins
    The Selfish Gene - Richard Dawkins
    Being and Time - Martin Heidegger
    The Minds I - Douglas Hofstadter
    The Faith Healers - James Randi
    The Truth about Uri Geller - James Randi
    Flim Flam! - James Randi
    The Science of Good and Evil - Michael Shermer
    Why People Believe in Weird Things - Michael Shermer
    With God On Our Side - Aftab Malik
    Losing Faith In Faith - Dan Barker
    The Philosophy of Humanism - Corliss Lamont
    Practical Ethics - Peter Singer
    The Prince - George Anthony Bull, Niccolo Machiavelli
    The Art Of War - Sun Tsu
    Science and Nonbelief - Taner Edis
    An Illusion of Harmony: Science And Religion in Islam - Taner Edis
    Critique of Pure Reason - Immanuel Kant
  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #133 - January 22, 2010, 08:41 PM


    Wow Omar - my head is spinning just reading that list!


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #134 - January 22, 2010, 08:46 PM

    Just read that list and your reviews. You are very well read Omar! I gotta go through those. You have an amazing read list!

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #135 - January 22, 2010, 09:09 PM

    Omar-- I can save you time. You only need to read one Ayn Rand book. Her objectivist philosophy and morals are about as simple as it gets-- objective knowledge is possible and selfishness is a virtue, the highest virtue there is. It's simple and rigid to the point of being dumb. If you want to read about egoist ethics from an author who takes a more thoughtful and interesting approach, read Nietzsche. And if you want to read about capitalist ideology from serious scholars, go for Smith, Ricardo, Von Mises, Friedman, Hayek and/or Rothbard (if just two, I'd go with Hayek and Rothbard).

    No reason to waste your time reading 5 different Ayn Rand books when there are thinkers out there who have written on the same topics with more scholarly rigor and complexity of thought. Ayn Rand is for pseudointellectuals who want an easy way to justify their selfishness and greed-- it's like reading an extended version of Gordon Gecko's monologue from Wall Street. Considering how long your reading list is, I'd just pick one of her books (find a short one) or a primer on her work/collected essays and be done with it. Much, much better writers on egoist ethics and capitalist theory/individualist ideology out there.

    fuck you
  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #136 - January 22, 2010, 09:11 PM

    Ayn Rand is for pseudointellectuals who want an easy way to justify their selfishness and greed-- it's like reading an extended version of Gordon Gecko's monologue from Wall Street.


    Sounds like my kinda gal!

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #137 - January 22, 2010, 09:14 PM

    Anybody here read The Life of Muhammed by A. Guillaume?
  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #138 - January 22, 2010, 09:19 PM

    Sounds like my kinda gal!


    Are you a macho yet insecure 16-year-old? If so, she definitely is your kinda gal. She was when I was that age. Definitely appeals to young male fantasy, especially if you've read her novels. Then after 3 years outta high school and in the working world, reality hit me like a ton of bricks.

    Seriously, man. I don't think I've run into an Ayn Rand fan who's past their early 20s who's not totally obnoxious or downright creepy, and all the ones I've met have been men-- they're the same kinda dudes who frequent "seduction community" internet forums.

    fuck you
  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #139 - January 22, 2010, 09:19 PM

    Omar-- I can save you time. You only need to read one Ayn Rand book. Her objectivist philosophy and morals are about as simple as it gets-- objective knowledge is possible and selfishness is a virtue, the highest virtue there is. It's simple and rigid to the point of being dumb. If you want to read about egoist ethics from an author who takes a more thoughtful and interesting approach, read Nietzsche. And if you want to read about capitalist ideology from serious scholars, go for Smith, Ricardo, Von Mises, Friedman, Hayek and/or Rothbard (if just two, I'd go with Hayek and Rothbard).

    No reason to waste your time reading 5 different Ayn Rand books when there are thinkers out there who have written on the same topics with more scholarly rigor and complexity of thought. Ayn Rand is for pseudointellectuals who want an easy way to justify their selfishness and greed-- it's like reading an extended version of Gordon Gecko's monologue from Wall Street. Considering how long your reading list is, I'd just pick one of her books (find a short one) or a primer on her work/collected essays and be done with it. Much, much better writers on egoist ethics and capitalist theory/individualist ideology out there.


    Totally agree... Ayn Rand is way overrated. Johann Hari wrote a great piece about her and the recent biographies on her life: http://www.slate.com/id/2233966

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #140 - January 22, 2010, 09:23 PM

    Are you a macho yet insecure 16-year-old? If so, she definitely is your kinda gal. She was when I was that age. Definitely appeals to young male fantasy, especially if you've read her novels. Then after 3 years outta high school and in the working world, reality hit me like a ton of bricks.

    Seriously, man. I don't think I've run into an Ayn Rand fan who's past their early 20s who's not totally obnoxious or downright creepy, and all the ones I've met have been men-- they're the same kinda dudes who frequent "seduction community" internet forums.


    lol Yeah I know. Don't young Republicans have a mad crush on her old booty?

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #141 - January 22, 2010, 09:26 PM

    Anybody here read The Life of Muhammed by A. Guillaume?


    Sorry, forgot to add that to the list. I read that as soon as I got it. Hassan recommended it to me. It's rather long. Remember it's fairly devotional because it's a straight translation of Ibn Ishaq. It's a bit more academic though, unlike Martin Lings.
  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #142 - January 22, 2010, 09:29 PM

    Sorry, forgot to add that to the list. I read that as soon as I got it. Hassan recommended it to me. It's rather long. Remember it's fairly devotional because it's a straight translation of Ibn Ishaq. It's a bit more academic though, unlike Martin Lings.


    Yeah but as far as I know it's the most accurate translation and sira in the english language?
  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #143 - January 22, 2010, 09:38 PM

    Totally agree... Ayn Rand is way overrated. Johann Hari wrote a great piece about her and the recent biographies on her life: http://www.slate.com/id/2233966


    Fascinating article. I never knew she wrote in her diaries praise for a serial child killer/rapist. Geez. She's even creepier and more abhorrent than I imagined.

    fuck you
  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #144 - January 22, 2010, 09:48 PM

    Fascinating article. I never knew she wrote in her diaries praise for a serial child killer/rapist. Geez. She's even creepier and more abhorrent than I imagined.


    Yup. I do think people should read her stuff, to know the extent of her insanity, but it's amazing how many young people, and you're right, it's especially young men, get entranced by her absolute narcissism.

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #145 - January 22, 2010, 09:49 PM

    Just read that articles. Wow, who knew she was that fucked up.

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #146 - January 22, 2010, 09:51 PM

    Post that article in a fan forum.
  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #147 - January 22, 2010, 10:03 PM

    Yup. I do think people should read her stuff, to know the extent of her insanity, but it's amazing how many young people, and you're right, it's especially young men, get entranced by her absolute narcissism.


    Well, when it comes to teenage males it's not all that amazing-- a majority of them are narcissistic total assholes. But yeah, anyone over the age of 22-23 or so, pretty fuckin amazing she still has legions of fans in older demographics.

    fuck you
  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #148 - January 23, 2010, 08:03 AM

    Omar Khayyam -- Good luck with Being and Time by Heidegger. I know philosophy professors who still cannot fathom that book

    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #149 - January 28, 2010, 06:11 PM

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    In Defence of Atheism: The Case Against Christianity, Judaism and Islam - Michel Onfray
    The Demon Haunted World  - Carl Sagan
    What the Koran Really Says: Language, Text and Commentary - Ibn Warraq
    Infidel - Ayaan Hirsi Ali
    Pale Blue Dot: A Vision of the Human Future in Space - Carl Sagan
    Varieties Of Scientific Experience - Carl Sagan
    Atheism as a Positive Social Force - Raymond W. Converse
    Portable Atheist: Essential Readings for the Non-Believer - Christopher Hitchens
    The God Delusion - Richard Dawkins
    Letter to a Christian Nation - Sam Harris
    Atheism: The Case Against God - George H. Smith
    God the Failed Hypothesis: How Science Shows That God Does Not Exist - Victor J. Stenger
    The Truth About Muhammad: Founder of the World's Most Intolerant Religion - Robert Spencer
    The Quest for the Historical Muhammad - Ibn Warraq
    Why I Am Not a Muslim - Ibn Warraq
    Why Evolution is True - Jerry A. Coyne
    Your Inner Fish: The Amazing Discovery of Our 375-Million-Year-Old Ancestor - Neil Shubin
    Blind Watchmaker - Richard Dawkins
    The Origin of Species - Charles Darwin
    Atheist Universe: The Thinking Person's Answer to Christian Fundamentalism - David Mills
    God is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything - Christopher Hitchens
    Language, Truth and Logic - AJ Ayer
    50 Reasons People Give for Believing in a God - Guy P Harrison
    The Improbability of God - Michael Martin
    Atheism - A Very Short Introduction - Julian Baggini


    That one book that seems to be the odd one out in this grand list is the book I've just started to read.

    The unlived life is not worth examining.
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