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 Topic: Does a muslim husband need to tell his 1st wife that he's getting a 2nd wife?

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  • Re: Does a muslim husband need to tell his 1st wife that he's getting a 2nd wife?
     Reply #30 - December 23, 2009, 11:26 PM

    Allah / Mohammad (lets face it, in Islam, despite what they say, they are fucking well interchangeable, I'm going to refer to them as one fused being with a pretence of humility in Mr Mojo claiming messengership for Alan)

    Allah / Mo is the biggest narcissist, attention seeking insecurity complex, needy pathetic being ever conceived or that has ever existed.

    Allah Mo is the freakin' wizard of Oz standing behind that curtain except he's not a sweet misunderstood old man, he's a fucking violent murderous psychopathic sex offender and a narcissist who tortures women and children if they don't suck up to him enough.

    Why the hell does the omnipotent creator need to have everyone begging, beseeching, slurp-slurp-slurp praising him all the time in prayer? What a creep.


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  • Re: Does a muslim husband need to tell his 1st wife that he's getting a 2nd wife?
     Reply #31 - December 23, 2009, 11:39 PM


    Allah Mo is the freakin' wizard of Oz standing behind that curtain except he's not a sweet misunderstood old man, he's a fucking violent murderous psychopathic sex offender and a narcissist who tortures women and children if they don't suck up to him enough.

    Why the hell does the omnipotent creator need to have everyone begging, beseeching, slurp-slurp-slurp praising him all the time in prayer? What a creep.



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  • Re: Does a muslim husband need to tell his 1st wife that he's getting a 2nd wife?
     Reply #32 - December 23, 2009, 11:48 PM

    Can I see sources for that missed prayer and praying during labour stuff? That would go great in my hadith collection.
  • Re: Does a muslim husband need to tell his 1st wife that he's getting a 2nd wife?
     Reply #33 - December 23, 2009, 11:52 PM

    http://www.al-islam.org/laws/musafir.html#1399

    The thing is these are Shia edicts, but as far as I know they have to be rooted in the Sunnah of the Prophet. Otherwise, it is clear innovation. And the Imams are making they're own rules. Might very well be the case, but I have no proof for that. In fact, if you read some of the hadiths of the Imams they are either verbatim hadiths of the Prophet found in the Sunni Hadiths collections or paraphrased and found in similar form in the Sahih collections.

    By the logic that the Prophet spoke not of his own accord, but it was dictated by Allah then that rule (should) apply for the Imams.

    Also, these rulings are from Sistani, but the Ayatollahs also have to have their rulings rooted in the Hadiths of the Imams, the Prophet and the Quran. lol what a mess. So there are no clear references to the hadiths either, at least not in the link I posted.
  • Re: Does a muslim husband need to tell his 1st wife that he's getting a 2nd wife?
     Reply #34 - December 24, 2009, 12:02 AM

    I love you billy


    Kafirist mate, doesn't the fused persona of Allah / Mo remind you of a jealous, needy, insecure violent stalker who is not just creepy, but turns out to be as creepy as a sexual abuser and wife / son / daughter batterer?


    Worship me!

    No!

    Then I shall torture you!

    OK, OK I'll worship you.

    Tell me you love me and need me and desire me and are scared of me!

    Why?

    Blasphemer! Don't you know that the worst sin a man can do, worse than raping a child or murdering an innocent, is to pay obeisance to any deity other than me! I torture you!

    OK sorry.

    I torture you!

    But my wife is in labour......

    Tell her to pray to me as well or I'll torture her too!

    I'm sorry.

    Don't stop praising me! I am the almighty creator, but I'm watching you! You're not praising me enough! I am the lord of the Universe, but you're hurting my feelings by not praying on time and with enough devotion. boo hoo hoo.

    etc etc etc

    ad nauseum

    Since 632 AD




    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Does a muslim husband need to tell his 1st wife that he's getting a 2nd wife?
     Reply #35 - December 24, 2009, 06:32 AM

    Sorry Manat can you provide with some sources regarding labour? Seems crazy :S


    Sorry I'm a tosser! I didn't see this until today! I apologize.  But think about what you're saying.  It seems crazy... why? Because it's unbelievably hard on women, that's why.  I was urged by several shaykhs and ustazas to keep on the salat during the times when I was having children, and only one of them - out of so many - bothered to give me a rukhsa. 

    This is how crazy sunni Islam is - Big Al requires you to have a rukhsa to not pray to him... he demands unquestioning obedience even at this time unless you have official permission from a scholar for mercy.  The rule in sunni Islam is that the nifaas starts when half of the child or more has exited the birth canal.  Until you are in a state of nifaas, you are obliged to pray.  Since the ulamaa have been overwhelmingly penis-endowed, they see no need or reason to construct rules of ease and comfort for women. 

    http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=12&ID=3402&CATE=87

    http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=3&ID=3939&CATE=456

    http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=12&ID=255&CATE=87

    http://islamqa.com/en/ref/1151/childbirth%20prayer

    Read those and your head will spin.  I can't believe I used to think I was studying logical, important things that were necessary to understand.  Now, I look at it and see how anal retentive and ridiculous it is. 

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    A pregnant woman does not need to fast right?


    No a pregnant woman is excused from fasting if she has valid fear for the health of the child (most mazhabs) or herself (one mazhab).  She then must make up those days later and must also pay the fidyah.  Most of the women I was friends with struggled to fast in Ramadan during their pregnancies, and it was very hard to watch them get so run down and ill. 

    If you are super-religious and devout in scholar worship, you will not even leave it to your own good senses to decide if you and the child are at risk - you must have the okay of a religious Muslim doctor who is educated in the sciences of the deen.  However, you can go to a non-Muslim doctor and then you evaluate his or her opinion in light of your own Muslim opinion, since obviously your being Muslim supercedes their health knowledge.  wacko  Or you can follow "clear signs," like you pass out.  My good friends, decent believing sisters, pushed themselves to the edge, not wanting to disappoint or anger allah by not fasting, even when their skin turned grey, their eyes sank in, and their energy reached a nadir. 

    Personally? I did not fast in the Ramadans that I was pregnant.  I was sick enough as it was. I wasn't putting myself (why is it wrong for a Muslim woman to think of herself?) or my child at risk. 

    http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=1&ID=6687&CATE=1610

    http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=1&ID=322&CATE=6 -- This one might make you want to barf as though you yourself have morning sickness

    http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=1&ID=319

    http://islamqa.com/en/ref/66438/fasting%20pregnant

    Again, if the ulamaa were the ones who were pregnant, I am certain the "rules of allah" regarding the fast of thoes who are pregnant would be much, much more relaxed. 

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    Does it say if she can sit? Or does she have to pray standing :S Not sure if that would have been in the text itself, probably tied into if it's too difficult for you to pray standing then you may sit. But still there is 5 prayers, and a lot of standing up and then sitting down only for those prostration parts and the kneeling part of prayer.

    Actually I can?t even imagine what that is like. Do you know anybody that prayed while pregnant? 


    Yes you must pray when you are pregnant, even if you are bleeding in the pregnancy.  Of course you can sit down if the standing and bending is too much for you. I stayed sitting on the floor and prayed that way in one of my pregnancies because standing up for any length of time was too painful.  I did get yelled at by some of the ustazas in my masjid too who felt that I should stand up and pray until such time as I was about to fall over in pain and then I should sit down in the middle of the prayer and finish it sitting.   Roll Eyes

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  • Re: Does a muslim husband need to tell his 1st wife that he's getting a 2nd wife?
     Reply #36 - December 24, 2009, 06:40 AM

    Can I see sources for that missed prayer and praying during labour stuff? That would go great in my hadith collection.


    I don't know that they come from hadith.  This is hardcore scholar-god sunni Islam here.  They are basing it on the theory that the nifaas starts when the baby is halfway out of the birth canal. Why half way? Beats the hell out of me, I  never was given any hadith based reason for it just "this is what the ulamaa say and obey allah!"  It sounds like a rule that was based on qiyaas of the ulamaa rather than Mo saying 'Verily, the baby-bearing machines shall continue to bow to allah until the babe is more than halfway out of their lady parts.' 

    Anyone - or most anyone - who has had a baby can tell you that the crowning of the head and then the bearing of the shoulders is the absolute worst part of childbirth - the pain is said to be one of the most intense pain experiences a human can bear (on top of the sheer amount of adrenaline and energy that many women experience).  To think that Big Al's angel stalkers will actually mark you on your left tablet if you fail to pray in this time and the prayer "leaves" is sheer madness!

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  • Re: Does a muslim husband need to tell his 1st wife that he's getting a 2nd wife?
     Reply #37 - December 24, 2009, 07:47 AM


    Worship me!

    No!

    Then I shall torture you!

    OK, OK I'll worship you.

    Tell me you love me and need me and desire me and are scared of me!

    Why?

    Blasphemer! Don't you know that the worst sin a man can do, worse than raping a child or murdering an innocent, is to pay obeisance to any deity other than me! I torture you!

    OK sorry.

    I torture you!

    But my wife is in labour......

    Tell her to pray to me as well or I'll torture her too!

    I'm sorry.

    Don't stop praising me! I am the almighty creator, but I'm watching you! You're not praising me enough! I am the lord of the Universe, but you're hurting my feelings by not praying on time and with enough devotion. boo hoo hoo.

    etc etc etc

    ad nauseum

    Since 632 AD



    hahaha fantastic Cheesy
  • Re: Does a muslim husband need to tell his 1st wife that he's getting a 2nd wife
     Reply #38 - January 12, 2010, 06:30 AM

    *Le sigh* Why do Muslims think that putting restrictions on things makes something OK? The crap that people come up with to make something palatable just further points out how immoral the principle is. No no, he cant beat you whenever he wants to, only if he fears nushuz from you. and oh yeah, he's gotta talk to you and withhold sex (first). See, we appreciate women  grin12. Oh and he cant just kick you out of the house and stuff when he divorces you , he has to feed you, and clothe you. things you can already do yourself. Oh and you cant divorce him. Even if your hubby's an abusive basterd. well you can go to court but its much more difficult than talaqing his ass 3 times. So see, we really appreciate women  grin12. Oh and you have to cover up too, cuz men are weak sex hounds and you have to bear the brunt of that. You cant walk around like a little putain de pute in your jeans and tank top. You're much too pretty. Oh men didnt really notice you before? Well now that your a muslimah, men will think your smokin hot. No thats not a chip on my shoulder, thats just how things are for us beautiful Muslimahs. You know that Akon song- Sexy Chick- Its about us. After all he is married to 4 sexy Muslimah hunnies, isnt he? So yeah, wanna convert now? grin12 Why the fuck do people think they can fool anyone with this crap? Seriously. Just keep the shit to yourself or better yet, why not leave the religion Afro? Let your mind grow a little bit? The life of a kafir isn't so bad. Promise.

    *mini rant over*


    lol that made me laugh... putain de pute. merci for posting it Smiley



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  • Re: Does a muslim husband need to tell his 1st wife that he's getting a 2nd wife
     Reply #39 - January 12, 2010, 06:35 AM

    Why the hell does the omnipotent creator need to have everyone begging, beseeching, slurp-slurp-slurp praising him all the time in prayer? What a creep.


    oh my Cheesy



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    et quod est superius est sicut quod est inferius,
    ad perpetranda miracula rei unius.
  • Re: Does a muslim husband need to tell his 1st wife that he's getting a 2nd wife?
     Reply #40 - January 17, 2010, 12:27 AM

    Quick question on childbirth - I assume an epidural is okay for a vaginal delivery but what about some nice opiates?  Demerol and the like?  Is that a no-no?

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  • Re: Does a muslim husband need to tell his 1st wife that he's getting a 2nd wife?
     Reply #41 - January 17, 2010, 05:31 PM

    Quick question on childbirth - I assume an epidural is okay for a vaginal delivery but what about some nice opiates?  Demerol and the like?  Is that a no-no?


    There is not any objection from scholars that I've ever heard of against demerol and other opiates during childbirth.  I've heard some self-styled day'eeahs preach against it, but not any shaykhs.  I think that the general principle is that if there is an urgent medical reason why a particular drug would be needed, then using it is not a problem.  For example, I know two highly orthodox scholars who, when confronted with questions about the use of medical marijuana prescribed by a physician, said that it would be okay.

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