Eugenics - What level of selective human breeding would you accept?

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Re: Eugenics - What level of selective human breeding would you accept?
Reply #30 - February 16, 2010, 01:43 AM

Sickle cell anaemia is a common disease in parts of Africa. The red blood cells of people with the disease are misshapen, like sickles, rigid, and have trouble passing through the body’s systems. This causes a variety of health problems and lowers age expectancy to mid fourties.

There is a mutant version of the haemoglobin (the red stuff that carries oxygen in your red blood cells) gene that causes it.

If you have two versions of the mutant gene (one from each parent) then you will have the disease.

If you have only one mutant gene and a normal version you will very likely never experience any trouble from it.

Why does the mutant version of the gene remain in the population?

It turns out that presence of the mutant version correlates with the presence of malaria in regions of Africa.

Having a single mutant gene actually protects you from malaria.

So nature "selects" for having a single version of the gene and against having two mutants.

So there is a risk when reproducing that both parents may be a carrier of the gene and pass on two mutant versions of the gene to their child which will make them sick for their entire lives.

So, should prospective parents check to see if they are carriers? If they are both carriers should artificial fertilisation be used so that the baby doesn't get two mutant genes?

What about if both parents have sickle cell anaemia? Should they have sick children who could have been healthy if genetic engineering were available?

1/3 of sub Saharan Africans carry the mutant gene.

People often seem to hear genetic engineering and automatically think "bad" "evil" "unnatural" "unhealthy" and all sorts of junk.

This is how absolutely stupid it gets:

In NZ GM food has to be ladled, and hardly any GM crops are grown.

Yet, in order to produce mutations companies do things like planting crops around a radioactive source and radiating them (or spray them with radioactive material). This produces mutations in the genomes of the plants. They can then go have a look if there were any beneficial mutations.

You don't need a label for that!

Even when breeding plants, you have no idea of what genes are going to be produced in offspring. Say you breed corn with something else to try and make something like corn but taller. You might get some tall corn looking plants, but what else happened? Nobody knows! It's all left up to chance. Sometimes things go wrong and food that reaches the stores has to be recalled as unsafe.

With GM food on the other hand scientists know exactly what genes they are putting where and have the rigor of scientific research methods to make sure nothing goes wrong!!

When I hear all this "Green" nonsense, I think of people who are putting our species future in danger. We need to produce more food unless you want to see millions of people starve to death, and we have to find more productive ways of doing it.
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Re: Eugenics - What level of selective human breeding would you accept?
Reply #31 - February 16, 2010, 01:46 AM

(In response to Tut)

.....by your behaivour, it shows that coming from an upper-status family doesn't mean shit. So your class prejudice against others also doesn't reflect behaivour and ethics, I live right now in a very white working class area, I feel safe going out at night and never hear a peep from the streets, I haven't been robbed or even worried once. Last year I rented a house in an uptown area, upper-middle class, I was beaten up 3 times, I witnessed about 7 drug deals in a period of 3 weeks (happening right outside my house) and joy riders would blare music (rich guys) at all hours of the night, I also had a brick thrown through the window for arguing with my neighbour about garbage

Again, it doesn't reflect on shit, sure, crime can be caused by socio-economic reasons, but also, people are often either good or rotten-regardless of race, ethnicity, gender, religion, culture or wealth.

I hear what you're saying. You're spinning my head around.
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Re: Eugenics - What level of selective human breeding would you accept?
Reply #32 - February 16, 2010, 02:19 AM

JohnMuslim antidotel evidence is not really evidence. I can cite 100s of cases from visiting/going to working calls area (just for the girls) and experiencing things.

I am not saying all working class folk are like this, that would be stupid, but the majority are. When I speak to a working class person he/she thinks, "fucking rich cunt innit" but the fact of the matter is, no I have an education and I refuse to be bullied because I speak English in the correct way.

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Re: Eugenics - What level of selective human breeding would you accept?
Reply #33 - February 16, 2010, 02:24 AM

Speak English in the correct way?

Anyone who heard that video of you talking about wanking can tell you otherwise, you don't speak properly, you constantly use verbal fillers (like, um, innit) and your accent is that of someone who drives around in a canonball blaring dizzee rascal.

You sound like the ones you condemn, but ultimately, I think you are an elitist tool who is hateful, the classist equivalent of a NationalFront member.

I hear what you're saying. You're spinning my head around.
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Re: Eugenics - What level of selective human breeding would you accept?
Reply #34 - February 16, 2010, 02:27 AM

Yes, fine whatever you think. I don't believe I used "innit" once despite being intoxicated.

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Re: Eugenics - What level of selective human breeding would you accept?
Reply #35 - February 16, 2010, 10:01 AM

Quote from: Johnmuslim on February 16, 2010, 02:24 AM
Anyone who heard that video of you talking about wanking can tell you otherwise, you don't speak properly, you constantly use verbal fillers (like, um, innit) and your accent is that of someone who drives around in a canonball blaring dizzee rascal.

I beg you, provide us with a link!

Also get panoptic into this thread pronto!
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Re: Eugenics - What level of selective human breeding would you accept?
Reply #36 - February 16, 2010, 10:19 AM

Can't remember where I saw it, I think I got sent a link or something (message deleted) or just found it on youtube coincidentally, someone else might have the link, sorry.

I hear what you're saying. You're spinning my head around.
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Re: Eugenics - What level of selective human breeding would you accept?
Reply #37 - February 16, 2010, 12:55 PM

Quote from: Johnmuslim on February 16, 2010, 02:24 AM
Speak English in the correct way?

Anyone who heard that video of you talking about wanking can tell you otherwise, you don't speak properly, you constantly use verbal fillers (like, um, innit) and your accent is that of someone who drives around in a canonball blaring dizzee rascal.

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Re: Eugenics - What level of selective human breeding would you accept?
Reply #38 - February 16, 2010, 01:11 PM

Quote from: Kenan on February 16, 2010, 10:01 AM
I beg you, provide us with a link!

Also get panoptic into this thread pronto!

I am sure if you ask tut nicely/ pm him, then he will oblige..

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