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  • Pakistan: The Nation.. The Politics... and The Religion
     Reply #300 - October 03, 2013, 05:43 PM

    I am not a terrorist   writes Salman Nouman and there are 1000s of  Noumans if not in millions around the globe..

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    My story revolves around love. A love that is forbidden and discouraged in a part of the world that is now India and Pakistan. India and Pakistan have a tension-filled history, complete with wars and mutual distrust.  While so-called ‘nationalists’ boast about the emotional and physical carnage, people like me – who dare to love the ‘enemy’ across the border and who want each country to admit its mistakes, – are termed as traitors.

    After migrating to the US from Pakistan, I was awestruck by the equality and justice offered by this great land. I wasn’t known by my religion, cast or origin, but by my name, and my citizenship – American. On a fall day in 2009, I received the letter I had been waiting for, from Whistling Woods, a film school near Mumbai. They had accepted me as a student for their Film Directing course. I was overjoyed. Filmmaking had always been my passion and after getting financially settled, I wanted to learn filmmaking at a place that had bred legends of cinema – Mumbai.

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    Off I headed to Travisa, the visa processing company, with my visa application and US passport. There were other Americans there as well, who were told to come pick their visas the same day or the next. But when it came to me, the clerk looked at my passport and told me to step aside. Strange, I thought. After a short wait, I was told that I could not apply for an India visa on my US passport. “Sorry? I am a US citizen and that’s my country’s passport,” I said. “You are accepting the same passports of others”.

    “No sir,” he replied. “You were born in Pakistan and in the eyes of the Indian government you are a Pakistani national, not a US citizen.” “How can you have different processes for nationals of the same country with the same passports?” I asked, shocked.

    His reply shattered me further. “Sir, India does not allow us to accept US passports from US citizens born in Pakistan, unless they first renounce their Pakistan citizenship”.

    “But I am a US national, and it is my right to be recognised and travel as one!”

    “Sorry, you cannot apply for an India visa with this passport”.  


    .......................................................

    India, the world’s largest democracy, must realise that this policy effectively halts the revolution of a changed mindset between India and Pakistan. It only helps terror mongers. Mahatma Gandhi, who ignited the freedom movement by refusing to let the British discriminate against him in a train in South Africa, would not approve of this policy. In the end, a plea to the Indian government: please welcome visa applicants of Pakistan origin. Realise that our mere will to visit your country is a defeat of hate mongers and terrorists. Read my name as a well-wisher of India who wants to visit you bearing nothing but prayers of love, peace and prosperity and is ready to provide you all the details needed to prove his legitimacy of travel.


    well what else is there to say? read the rest at link and My only  wish is if some Indians are reading hope they will think a bit on that issue..  Every guy who is trying to visit India from other countries is not that David Headley of US of A....

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Pakistan: The Nation.. The Politics... and The Religion
     Reply #301 - October 03, 2013, 06:37 PM

    It sounds like it's going both ways honestly. Muslims in Pakistan can be very fascist in their religion, but at the same time so can hindus in India.
    Pakistani muslims: This is a muslim country, fuck off to India.
    Indian hindus: Pakistan was created for you, fuck off out of India.

    To compare India with Pakistan is utterly absurd. In the Indian constitution, everyone is equal. Inspite of discrimination, Muslims in India are thriving. There are many Muslims working in the film industry and they are very popular. Azam Premji runs a multi-billion dollar high tech company. The population of Indian Muslims has increased from 35 to 170 million. In Pakistan, the population of Hindus and Sikhs has decreased from 8 million to 1 million. If Hindus were allowed to remain, there would be about 50 million Hindus and Sikhs in Pakistan.

    वासुदैव कुटुम्बकम्
    Entire World is One Family
    سارا سنسار ايک پريوار ہے
  • Pakistan: The Nation.. The Politics... and The Religion
     Reply #302 - October 03, 2013, 06:43 PM

    Jinnah was secular is a myth. He was a rabid communalist, extremely intolerant. He invokes Allah in every speech. Is that sign of secularism? Even Gandhi was not secular. Yes, Nehru was secular. Nehru never went to a temple in his life. He never talked about God.

    वासुदैव कुटुम्बकम्
    Entire World is One Family
    سارا سنسار ايک پريوار ہے
  • Pakistan: The Nation.. The Politics... and The Religion
     Reply #303 - October 03, 2013, 06:48 PM

    Jinnah was secular is a myth. He was a rabid communalist, extremely intolerant. He invokes Allah in every speech. Is that sign of secularism? Even Gandhi was not secular................


    So Mr. Ram.,     Jinnah was NOT secular  and Gandhi was not secular   or Jinnah  was as secular as Gandhi.. Does that make any sense??  

     Was Gandhi Hindu rabid Communalist who enraged hindus to  kill Muslims?  and was Jinnah Muslim Rabid Communalist  who enraged Muslims to Kill Hindus??

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Pakistan: The Nation.. The Politics... and The Religion
     Reply #304 - October 04, 2013, 12:12 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3Q5h4SL4h0

    then why did you go  in to Atomic politics man?   Why did't you work for some centrifuge companies or as  faculty in an University??

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    Khan was born in Bhopal, India (then British Indian Empire) into a Urdu-speaking Pathan family in 1936. His father Dr. Abdul Ghafoor Khan was an academic who served in the Education ministry of the British Indian Government and after retirement in 1935, settled permanently in Bhopal State.[9] After the partition in 1947, the family emigrated from India to Pakistan, and settled in West-Pakistan.  Khan studied in Saint Anthony's High School of Lahore, and then enrolled at the D.J. Science College of Karachi to study physics and mathematics.. ] After making a transfer in 1956, he attended Karachi University, obtaining BSc in Metallurgy in 1960; subsequently he got the internship at the Siemens Engineering.

    After the internship, he was employed by the Karachi Metropolitan Corporation and worked as an city inspector of weight and measures in Karachi.  In 1961, he went to West Berlin to study Metallurgical engineering at the Technical University Berlin. Qadeer Khan obtained an engineer's degree in technology from Delft University of Technology in the Netherlands, and a doctorate engineering in Metallurgical engineering under the supervision of Martin Brabers from the Catholic University of Leuven in Belgium, in 1972.


    what the hell?? how did you get a Ph. D. from that   Catholic University of Leuven in Belgium in 1972? Catholic University of Leuven (1834–1968)

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    Qadeer Khan's doctoral dissertations were written in German.  His doctoral thesis dealt and contained fundamental work on martensite, and its extended industrial applications to the field of morphology, a field that studies the shape, size, texture and phase distribution of physical objects  ..


    They gave Ph. D.,  in Nuclear/metallurgical Engineering/Material science ??  That is Fishy  ..  LUMS has done better research in Physics/Material Science than that Catholic_University of Leuven.. Any ways I don't care about your qualifications but you certainly need pension for the work you did
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    Abdul Qadeer Khan is the only Pakistani citizen who has been twice honored with the Nishan-e-Imtiaz, to date, first in 1996, and then again on 14, August, 1998. He was awarded Hilal-e-Imtiaz in 1989. Added to this list were the Gold Medal by the citizens of Kahuta (March 1984), Justice Hamood-Ur-Rehman Gold Medal (1984), Gold Medal (Man of the Nation Award 1990) by Pakistan Institute of National Affairs, Pakistan Silk & Rayon Mills Association Gold Medal (March 7, 1998).

    Numerous positions held by him include chairman of ‘Dr. A. Q. Khan Research Laboratories’, Kahuta (1976-2011), Project Director ‘GIK Institute of Engineering Sciences and Technology’, Topi, as well as being the founding member of ‘Foundation for the Advancement of Engineering Sciences and Advanced Technologies’, Islamabad. He served as lifetime president of “Society for the Promotion of Technical Education” and Board of Directors’ at Dr. A. Q. Khan Institute of Technology.

    and why don't you teach at that  Dr. A. Q. Khan Institute of Technology or run that institute for high school kids/college drop out some technical skills ? that is fun to do  ....

    or did you do that interview for the LAST ELECTIONS where you started  your A Q Khan  party ...Huh?   

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Pakistan: The Nation.. The Politics... and The Religion
     Reply #305 - October 04, 2013, 07:57 PM

    It appears plenty of people inside Pakistan and outside Pakistan have problem of understanding war on terror,  origin of Talibans, relationship between Afghan Taliban with new Taliban "Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan"., who is fighting whose war and what not. Even a smart guy like Imran Khan, the leader of  PTI appears to be in confusion..   So for that my good friend sent me a link .. let me put here to clear those questions..

    Taliban: FAQs


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    Q. Who are Taliban?
     
    The story started with the Russian invasion of Afghanistan. Fearing Russian expansionism, CIA married ISIand gave birth to the Jihadis euphemistically called Taliban. Zia-ul-Haq midwifed the birth whileSaudis and ISI provided the initial schooling. Taliban grew up munching on a diet of Wahibism.  Armed with dollars, American weapons and of course the jihadi fervor, Russians were given a serious beating and forced to withdraw from Afghanistan.During the Russian episode, Taliban were given sanctuaries in our tribal belt to plan and train. A countrywide network of madrassas was also set up to ensure a never ending supply of ideologically driven Jihadis to the Afghan war.
     
    Q. What is strategic depth doctrine?
     
    Emboldened by the defeat delivered to the mighty Russians, Pak Army forged the strategic depth doctrine which envisaged a Taliban regime in Kabul. Having a friendly government in Kabul would secure Pakistan’s western border and we could then focus all our might on the eastern border with India.
     
    Q. What about good and bad Taliban?
     
    No, there is only one kind, bad. But as part of the efforts to confuse public, a deliberate distinction was created by the powers that be. Afghan Talibanare deemed good Taliban being the guardians of our beloved strategic depth doctrine. TTP, our own home grown militants are deemed bad Taliban. Bothfeed off each other and claim to be fighting a war in the larger interest of Islam.  Imagine a scenario in which our strategic assets, the good Afghan Taliban take over Kabul post US withdrawal in 2014. Having fought off Russians and Americans, would these good Taliban leash their ambition to stay within the frontiers of Afghanistan? No.  They would look towards Pakistan for expansion of the Islamic emirate and will count on their natural allies, TTP. Not to forget how a Taliban regime in Kabul will excite and inspire TTP to have their own emirate.That would be a nightmare for Pakistan.
     
    Q. Why is Pakistan so divided on Taliban?
     
    Because our gullible people see them fighting in the name of Islam against the infidel America. Because Taliban speak of supremacy of theirShariah in Pakistan.Because our own miserable governance record has given people a genuine reason to look for alternatives. Because parties like PTI and JI have done their bit by disowning the war against TTPand by defending their heinous acts as retaliation against drones. This has not only confused the common man but also created enormous social space for TTP. Ordinary folk terrorized by the unrelenting blasts want respite and are willing to give anything a try no matter how irrational.
     
    Q. Is the war against TTP our war?
     
    Our war for sure. To set the record straight, we should not have joined the US war against Russia. However, we did out of greed and fear. Now our own spawn has turned against us. The state has no choice but to fight against those who occupy its territory illegally, challenge the state writ and do not subscribeto the constitution of Pakistan. These terrorists are no different from common criminals. If indeed anything is different it is the fact that they kill in the name of God.
     
    Q. Is talking with TTP a good idea?
     
    No. Despite the APC and clear government intentions of taking peace to the terrorists, the acts of barbaric violence continue. This is understandable. Do you expect TTP to opt out of the highly profitable jihad, forfeit their little dominions and become truck drivers, barbers? Engaging TTP is also well-nigh impossible as it is not a single entity. It is an umbrella group sheltering dozens of smaller groups with their own agendas and interests. Not to forget the slew of brigands who have happily joined TTP to furthertheir business of ransom, murder in the name of God. Talk,if we must, should be from a position of strength. The state should make it clear that only the state monopolizes violence and should accept no pre-conditions to talks.
     
    Q. We have fought TTP for nine years. Should we not give peace a chance?
     
    We have had at least 4 peace accords namelyShakai, Sargodha peace accord, Miranshah peace deal and one other. All fell flat yielding nothing. Swat is also a case in point where the peace deal was abused by the militants to subjugate the local population to their version of Islam. Luckily Pakistan woke up to it and liberated Swat after a highly successful military operation.
     
    Q. Why do religious parties and Imran Khan support talks with TTP?
     
    Imran does it out of misplaced conviction, self-righteousness. He believes nine years of war against TTP has not yielded any dividend. The situation has in fact gotten worse. True. But the peace deals struck also yielded nothing. The truthis the army obsessed with its strategic depth doctrine never put its heart in exterminating militants. It was also apprehensive of a divided polity and sought consensus for a full blown operation.     JI and other religious parties have been repeatedly rejected by the electorate. They have no other option but to clutch onto TTP mantra of Jihad to stay socially and politically relevant. In essence these religious parties have become Taliban proxies.
     
    Q. What is the solution?
     
     We need to first abandon this illusion of political consensus on the best way to deal with Taliban. Nawaz has the mandate to bulldoze disagreement and go ahead with his strategy to tackle terrorists. Declare an all-out war followed by on ground action. This will secure a position of strength for the state to productively negotiate and identify those groups who want to lay down arms and embrace the constitution. The rest can then be sorted out with brute force. While we fight this war, madrassa network brain washing our youth should be tamed and brought under state control. In time other actions like economic empowerment of the remote tribal areas will help ease the pressures that nudge the youth towards the deadly embrace of extremism.


    well Mr. Imran Khan  let us not have any  illusions with these guys.. and Let us not play Neville Chamberlain appeasement Games with these guys...

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Pakistan: The Nation.. The Politics... and The Religion
     Reply #306 - October 04, 2013, 08:49 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I39KH_XfPao

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Pakistan: The Nation.. The Politics... and The Religion
     Reply #307 - October 07, 2013, 01:37 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdA_0qxkwrU


    With such people at helms., there is no chance for Pakistan...

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Pakistan: The Nation.. The Politics... and The Religion
     Reply #308 - October 10, 2013, 01:03 PM

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    well that is Imran said 3 years back... hope he will succeed

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Pakistan: The Nation.. The Politics... and The Religion
     Reply #309 - October 15, 2013, 12:44 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vP5xq3psoc

    that is from  (14th October 2013) Hum Hain Pakistani....?

    That confusion is there all over so-called Islamic nations.   These fools neither they understand history of Islam, nor they understand quran.   And they don't really know the difference between who   Muhammad  of Quran was and  who Muhammad of hadith was ..

    This confusion in Islam will never end..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Pakistan: The Nation.. The Politics... and The Religion
     Reply #310 - October 16, 2013, 11:21 AM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fi0-kM7EvuU

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IsuIeuqBNo

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Pakistan: The Nation.. The Politics... and The Religion
     Reply #311 - October 20, 2013, 06:16 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7t-LH51Vc0


    CRAZY??

    kiddooo.. get over that naree takbeer.. go drink beer..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Pakistan: The Nation.. The Politics... and The Religion
     Reply #312 - October 21, 2013, 09:29 AM



    That picture from here  says it all the Importance of Sharif's visit to US of A.


    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Pakistan: The Nation.. The Politics... and The Religion
     Reply #313 - October 22, 2013, 01:32 PM

    Nadeem Malik Live , 21st October 2013 ,  Imran Khan Chairman PTI ,

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-YrCbC1zl8

    Taliban .what is done and what can be done with them...  

     I think fellow doesn't understand anything on international politics.. He changes his stance .. He indeed supported Musharraf after that 9/11 tragedy  ..  On the issue of Taliban He is simply foolish and evades tough questions..  

    But this id fun to watch

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srjNgBeTeH0

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Pakistan: The Nation.. The Politics... and The Religion
     Reply #314 - October 24, 2013, 04:30 PM

    Special Transmission Nawaz Shareef meeting Obama in White House) 23rd October 2013  debate/discussion .

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLtbHhD09Yg

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncpXEgo809w

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-03kxvxEI1o


    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Pakistan: The Nation.. The Politics... and The Religion
     Reply #315 - October 28, 2013, 05:20 PM

    The doom...Random thoughts



    writes that man.. well let me put some nuggets from him here..

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    Pakistan has existed for about 66 years and much has been written about the purpose behind its creation and the sacrifices the Muslims of the Subcontinent made for it. Pondering over the reasons for Pakistan’s creation and the goals that the Quaid-e-Azam had in mind, I could not help turning to the result of that effort and the Pakistan of today.
    .........
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    Let me start off by quoting how Lord Macaulay saw the Subcontinent and described it in the British parliament on February 2, 1835: “I have travelled across the length and breadth of India and I have not seen one person who is a beggar, who is a thief; such wealth I have seen in this country, such high moral values, people of such calibre, that I do not think we would ever conquer this country unless we break the very backbone of this nation, which is her spiritual and cultural heritage and, therefore, I propose that we replace her old and ancient education system, her culture; for if the Indians think that all that is foreign and English is good and greater than their own, they will lose their self-esteem, the native culture, and they will become what we want them, a truly dominated nation”.

    This was the situation in the Subcontinent at that time. After 1857, things drastically changed; Muslims became the oppressed community and the Hindus became the darlings of the British. The British followed the advice of Lord Macaulay in letter and in spirit. With Sir Syed’s efforts and hard work, and under the guidance of Allama Iqbal and Quaid-e-Azam, we did manage to get a homeland of our own. Hopes for its future were very high at the time and our forefathers often mentioned the golden principles that lay at its foundation. Unfortunately now, after 66 years, we are forced to come to the conclusion that it is a dream gone sour.
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    I would like to quote Sir Winston Churchill, who was against granting independence to the Subcontinent so soon. He said: “Power will go to the hands of the rascals, rogues, freebooters; all Indian leaders will be of low calibre and men of straw. They will have sweet tongues and silly hearts. They will fight amongst themselves for power and India will be lost in political squabbles. A day would come when even air and water would be taxed in India”.

    ....................

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    The following is a quote from Maulana Abul Kalam Azad, a genius, a great religious scholar and later India’s education minister. The interview was given to Shorish Kashmiri in April 1946. It was spread over a period of two weeks and is so pertinent that I would like to share it in total at some later date. Azad said: “We must remember that an entity conceived in hatred will last only as long as that hatred lasts. This hatred will overwhelm the relation between India and Pakistan. In this situation, it will not be possible for India and Pakistan to become friends and live amicably.


    “Indian Muslims will have three options: 1) they become victims of loot and brutalities and migrate to Pakistan; 2) they become subject to murder and excesses and a substantial number of Muslims will pass through this ordeal; and 3) a good number of Muslims, haunted by poverty, political wilderness and regional degradation decide to renounce Islam.

    “Pakistan will be afflicted by many serious problems. The greatest danger will come from international powers who will seek to control the new country and, with the passage of time, this control will become tight. I believe that it will not be possible for East Pakistan to stay with West Pakistan for any considerable period of time. There is nothing common between the two regions except that they call themselves Muslims. The environment of Bengal is such that it disfavours leadership from outside and rises in revolt when it senses danger to its rights and interests. After the separation of East Pakistan, whenever that happens, West Pakistan will become the battleground of regional contradictions and disputes.

    ..........................
    This interview was conducted in Urdu, translated into English by former Indian Cabinet Minister Arif Mohammad Khan and published in the magazine ‘Covert’. In another interview he warned migrating Muslims that in Pakistan it would be their heads and only the shoes would change.

    Briefly, these were the apprehensions (and forecasts) that Maulana Azad had about the future of Pakistan. Look around and see if he was wrong! He had the interests of the Muslims of India at heart. He knew that India would be divided and that the Muslims would suffer heavily. And without any fear or ambiguity, he put the blame of Partition on the Congress.
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    Prof Dr Schuemann in a lecture on Asian Politics delivered at Brooklyn, New York on June 3, 1949. He said: “The state of Pakistan, which recently came into being in South East Asia, is a state manifest with enormous pitfalls unique to itself. Its existence is vulnerable, as time will show…in less than half a century the state will collapse because of its people who are born with the chains of slavery, whose thoughts cannot see love of a free country and whose minds cannot function beyond the scope of personal selfish ends, mark my words. I know their insides”.


    If we don’t learn from these forecasts and put our house in order, we are doomed. As a matter of fact, unfortunately the future of Pakistan looks very bleak.

    well that is what that Good dr. writes .. It is all past .. lots of water went down the river Sindh...

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Pakistan: The Nation.. The Politics... and The Religion
     Reply #316 - October 29, 2013, 05:58 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K32VlVeVo9A


    THAT IS REALLY PATHETIC.. Forget priministring the country, GO BACK TO SCHOOL and learn to read few sentences without those little reading cards ..
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    ............So much has been written about the Sharif visit to Washington, and there’s little to add. But what exactly were we expecting? That our PM would arrive at the White House and floor Barack Obama with his eloquence? That his articulation of issues would be so profound and compelling that the American president would be reduced to admiring silence?

    A third-time prime minister looking so ill at ease…twice sipping from the glass of water by his side, shuffling and looking nervously at the speaking notes he was clutching in his hands, Obama looking like an advanced professor and our PM a very baffled student. To complete the picture of awkwardness, our PM read from his notes. He had to give no lecture on philosophy, only utter the usual platitudes which are the standard fare on such occasions, but even this was proving difficult. And in the end he called Michelle Obama Mr Obama before hastily correcting himself (the video of this is worth watching)............

    that is from  Ayaz Amir

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    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Pakistan: The Nation.. The Politics... and The Religion
     Reply #317 - October 29, 2013, 07:48 PM

    Imran Khan is Really upset..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zhNh3OgiRE

    really really upset...

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Pakistan: The Nation.. The Politics... and The Religion
     Reply #318 - November 03, 2013, 02:34 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ah4M5H2rB8U

    when well educated folks don't use brain and common sense, then there is no hope in land of pure.. 



    That is Sadia Khan from here

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    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
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  • Pakistan: The Nation.. The Politics... and The Religion
     Reply #319 - November 04, 2013, 05:23 PM

    Legendary folk singer Reshma  Passes aways says the news

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRAw4rPqSWU
    RESHMAN AND HER SON PERFORMING LIVE IN PTV'S

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    LAHORE: Legendary folk singer Reshma, passed away in Lahore on Sunday morning, DawnNews reported. According to the hospital sources, Reshma had been in coma for a month after being diagnosed with throat cancer years ago. Born in Bikaner, Rajasthan to Banjara family around 1947, Reshma's tribe migrated to Karachi shortly after partition.

    Having received no formal education, she was only 12 when she was was spotted singing at Shahbaz Qalander’s shrine by a television and radio producer, who arranged for her to record “Laal Meri” on Pakistan radio. The song was an instant hit, and Reshma went on to become one of the most popular folk singers of Pakistan, appearing on television in the 1960s, as well as recording songs for both the Pakistani and Indian film industry.

    Indian journalist Farzana Versey tweeted, "She broke the silence of the desert. #Reshma. A voice so wounded, pain became the song."

    Author and journalist Sadia Dehlvi tweeted, "Just heard of singer Reshma's death. Recall meeting and listening to her several times over decades. May her soul rest in peace."  She his survived by a son Umair and daughter Shazia.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKyT4hyY4VE
     Abida Parveen - Reshma - A collection of Sufi Songs..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZHiMzVhQTM
    LAMBI JUDAI - RESHMA

    Rest in Peace Ma'am  your voice will live forever ...

    fucking freaks of Islam say  singing is bad unless it is for silly doll allah doll and you can not use any instrument

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    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Pakistan: The Nation.. The Politics... and The Religion
     Reply #320 - November 05, 2013, 04:02 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfFhL2lfTOw

    That is indeed classic problem in Pakistan and  in so-called Islamic nations.. Fools and bearded weirdos  get too much respect and  importance.. from the educated folks and from the society.

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Pakistan: The Nation.. The Politics... and The Religion
     Reply #321 - November 05, 2013, 04:08 PM

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    British girl, 14, forced to marry at gunpoint in Pakistan

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/5244517/british-girl-14-forced-to-marry-man-in-pakistan-at-gunpoint.html

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Pakistan: The Nation.. The Politics... and The Religion
     Reply #322 - November 08, 2013, 02:06 AM

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    DERA ISMAIL KHAN, Pakistan (AP) - The ruthless commander behind the attack on teenage activist Malala Yousafzai as well as a series of bombings and beheadings was chosen Thursday as the leader of the Pakistani Taliban, nearly a week after a U.S. drone strike killed the previous chief.

    The militant group ruled out peace talks with the government, accusing Pakistan of working with the U.S. in the Nov. 1 drone strike. Islamabad denied the allegation and accused Washington of sabotaging its attempt to strike a deal with the Taliban to end years of violence.

    Mullah Fazlullah was unanimously appointed the new leader by the Taliban's leadership council, or shura, after several days of deliberation, said the council's head, Asmatullah Shaheen Bhitani. Militants fired AK-47 assault rifles and anti-aircraft guns into the air to celebrate.

    The previous chief, Hakimullah Mehsud, was killed by the drone in the North Waziristan tribal area near the Afghan border. He was known for a bloody campaign that killed thousands of Pakistani civilians and security personnel, a deadly attack on a CIA base in Afghanistan and was believed to be behind the failed bombing in New York's Times square in 2010. The U.S. had put a $5 million bounty on his head,

    Mehsud's killing had outraged Pakistani officials. The government said the drone strike came a day before it planned to send a delegation of clerics to invite the Pakistani Taliban to hold peace talks, although many analysts doubted a deal was likely.

    Bhitani, the Taliban shura leader, said the group would not join peace talks with the government, accusing Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif of selling out the group when he met with President Barack Obama in Washington on Oct. 23.

    "We will take revenge on Pakistan for the martyrdom of Hakimullah," Bhitani told The Associated Press by telephone from an undisclosed location in North Waziristan, where the shura met.

    The Pakistani government did not immediately respond to request for comment on the Taliban comments or the appointment of Fazlullah.

    Pakistani Interior Minister Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan has said he asked the U.S. ambassador in Islamabad, Richard Olson, not to carry out any drone attacks while Islamabad was pursuing peace talks with domestic Taliban militants.

    The Pakistani Taliban withdrew an offer to hold talks in May after their deputy leader was killed in a U.S. drone strike but warmed to negotiations again after Sharif took office in June. It's unclear if the government will be able to coax the militants back to the table again, especially since Fazlullah is known to be such a hard-liner.

    Pakistani officials have criticized the drone strikes in public, saying they violate the country's sovereignty and kill too many civilians. But the government is known to have secretly supported at least some of the attacks, especially when they targeted enemies of the state.

    The Pakistani Taliban is an umbrella organization of militant groups formed in 2007 to overthrow the government and install a hard-line form of Islamic law. Based in the country's remote tribal region, the group also wants Pakistan to end its support for the U.S. fight in Afghanistan. The Afghan and Pakistani Taliban are allies but have generally directed their attacks on opposite sides of the border.

    Fazlullah, believed to be in his late 30s, served as the Pakistani Taliban's leader in the northwest Swat Valley but is now believed to be hiding in Afghanistan. He rose to prominence through radio broadcasts demanding the imposition of Islamic law, earning him the nickname "Mullah Radio."

    His group began infiltrating the valley in 2007 and spread fear among residents by beheading opponents, blowing up schools, holding public floggings, forcing men to grow beards and preventing women from going to markets.

    The military invaded Swat in 2009 after a peace deal with the militants fell apart. The offensive pushed most of the fighters out of the valley, and Fazlullah escaped to Afghanistan. But periodic attacks continue in Swat.

    Fazlullah and his group carried out the attack on Malala, who was shot in the head while on her way home from school in October 2012. She was targeted after speaking out against the Taliban over its interpretation of Islam, which limits girls' access to education.

    The shooting sparked international outrage, and Malala was flown to the United Kingdom, where she underwent surgery to repair the damage to her skull.

    She has since become an even more vocal critic of the Taliban and advocate for girls' education, earning her international acclaim, including the European Parliament's Sakharov Award, its top human rights prize. On her 16th birthday, she delivered a speech at the United Nations in New York. She was considered a front-runner for this year's Nobel Peace Prize and met with Obama at the White House.

    Malala's representatives said she declined to comment on Fazlullah's appointment. Attempts to reach her father also were unsuccessful.

    Fazlullah also claimed responsibility for the deaths of a Pakistani army general and two other soldiers in a roadside bombing near the Afghan border in September. The killings outraged the military and raised questions about whether the Taliban had any real interest in negotiating peace.

    Imtiaz Gul, head of the Islamabad-based Center for Research and Security Studies, said Fazlullah became the Pakistani army's "enemy No. 1" after the attack on the general.

    Fazlullah is the first leader of the Pakistani Taliban not to come from the Mehsud tribe based in South Waziristan. The group's first leader, Baitullah Mehsud, also was killed by a U.S. drone strike in 2009.

    Some Mehsud commanders were unhappy with the decision to appoint Fazlullah but eventually agreed under pressure from some of the group's senior members, said a Pakistani intelligence official, speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to talk to journalists.

    Khalid Haqqani was chosen as the new deputy leader of the Pakistani Taliban, said Bhitani, the head of the shura. The new deputy is from the northwest Pakistani district of Swabi and bears no apparent relation to the Afghan Haqqani network that is fighting U.S. troops in Afghanistan.



    http://apnews.myway.com/article/20131107/DA9TU54G2.html

    If I was a conspiracy theorist I'd think the US deliberately made him head of the Taliban to smear the resistance/religion.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Pakistan: The Nation.. The Politics... and The Religion
     Reply #323 - November 14, 2013, 09:05 PM

    Looking for a path to the future in Pakistan   that wonderful ever fighting Kamila Hyat hits hard at idiots squatting  as Islamic patriots of Pakistan..

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    Perhaps we can simply give up on the present. There is after all nothing very encouraging about it. Mullah Fazalullah of Swat has returned and will head the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan;
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    a small association of private schools has announced a ‘ban’ on the book written by Malala Yousafzai, under which it cannot be placed in libraries or used as a part of curriculums; this announcement has been given huge publicity, possibly as part of a plan to enforce a wider ban; the chief of the Jamaat-e-Islami says soldiers who die while fighting the Taliban are not martyrs; in Karachi the beginning of the month of Muharram has seen sectarian violence soar and the Balochistan government says it has not met with much success in resolving the issue of missing persons.

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    Indeed we seem to have a huge divide in our country; a chasm that is becoming wider and deeper by the day. The National Nutrition Survey speaks of rampant malnutrition, especially among children and women – most notably in Sindh. At the same time, in the homes of the wealthy in Lahore, Karachi and other cities birthday parties are held where the cake alone, beautifully sculptured and decorated to fit with the theme, has cost somewhere in the region of Rs100, 000 and the party favours given out have included some of the most expensive electronics or toys available in the market. ..............

    There is something very wrong with this. It shows a society split into many parts with little to hold it together. Of course, disparity in wealth exists in most places around the world. But our ostentatious and very deliberate display of money shows a particular kind of mindset – one that breeds insensitivity and produces young people with little awareness of the situation in which others across their country live.
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    At the same time, we continue to remove from these young people and children in schools the power to think. School curricula for the most part offer little opportunity for this. And when more thought-provoking topics like comparative religion are taught, the media and the government both crack down to stop even this. It is possibly a result of such tactics that Malala Yousafzai continues to be misrepresented in so many different ways, her book misquoted in an attempt to prove she is a US agent.


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    In identical fashion, another young woman from the tribal belt, Maria Toor Pakay, who fought against all kinds of odds – disguising herself as a boy for many years of her life – to reach her goal of making a name for herself on the squash court has been vilified as someone who has disgraced her nation by speaking out about the conditions of life within it. Her father too, who unusually supported his daughter breaking away from tribal norms, has been cast as an agent of the west.

    Maria today trains in Canada with former world champion Jonathon Power, who has chosen to mentor her. Like Malala, it is unlikely she will ever be able to return to her home country where both face a potential threat to life. If we are to save this county, the effort must begin in its schools and in their kindergartens. To do this, there must be a commitment to re-teach children and change mindsets to that they can lead the way into the future. The past will need to be abandoned; so too will the present where interior ministers speak of the Taliban as virtual heroes and media persons screech and scream their way into family living rooms, filling them with vitriol of various kinds, most of it pointing in a very specific direction.


    First of all, we need to tell the truth: to ask why, as Iqbal Day was marked on November 9, we have attempted to turn the poet – not by any account a traditionally religious man – into some kind of orthodox hero. ....................

    Our notions of patriotism have in fact turned into a growing pile of lies and myths we have come to believe. There seems to be less and less recognition that change can come only if we first learn to accept all that has gone wrong with us as a society, and that we have mutilated the truth so much it is hard to find any longer. Instead we seem to become more and more confused by the day.

    A massive process of re-wiring or reversing the brainwashing is required. It will have to be systematically organised and backed by political commitment. Such commitment is simply not visible anywhere. But the question of where it is to come from has to be answered. We simply have no other choice. The fact that we are in very deep trouble is something we need to accept.   Right now we are having trouble doing that, apparently fooling ourselves into believing that we are simply the target of an orchestrated, global hate campaign.

    .................
    Email: kamilahyat@hotmail.com

     that is what  kamila writes..

    Yap.. " A massive process of re-wiring or reversing the brainwashing is required."  and we can do it..  we have the tools..   Thank you kamilahyat for mentioning the name of  that girl  Maria....  and thank you Mr. Jonathon Power

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3bugWJQ5bE

    and that is Maria Toor Pakay from waziristhan.. Hmm she spoke in TED talk...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fe9DfC8mt14

    That is wonderful.. Girl you can change the town.. change the city and change the country..   watch it...

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Pakistan: The Nation.. The Politics... and The Religion
     Reply #324 - November 15, 2013, 03:47 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIo0EjhrhH8

    Classic clash with in-Islam.....  both sides use same  Quran and what alleged prophet of Islam said  and both says my way is better way..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Pakistan: The Nation.. The Politics... and The Religion
     Reply #325 - November 17, 2013, 01:43 PM

    Pakistan..Taliban.. Osama... Al qaeda  Other side of Islam and other side of Pakistan...
     
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    EXCLUSIVE  Tehreke Taliban Pakistan  Ehsanullah Ehsan interview by Hasan Abdullah  

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toJz5n0wOrw

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_klba7kZGI
     Eulogy for  Osama bin Laden by that guy.....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8dUgTlEXmk
    Hakimullah Mehsud Interview Tehreke Taliban Pakistan 14 October, 2013

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmKkvw2kLCU
    Hakimullah Mehsud  after Drone..


    And today's news says  Pakistani extortionists cash in by posing as Taliban
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    ISLAMABAD: It began innocuously enough, two men on a motorbike delivered a plain brown envelope to the home of Mohammed, an Islamabad businessman. But the contents plunged him into a terrifying three-month nightmare.

    The letter, headed with the banner of the Pakistani Taliban, informed Mohammed that a Taliban judge had found him guilty of not living by Islamic principles. It said Mohammed, not his real name, had been fined five million rupees ($50,000) and threatened dire consequences if he went to the police or failed to pay up.

    “Our squad of suicide bombers is always prepared to send non-believers to hell, God willing,” the letter seen by AFP read. At the bottom, the name of feared Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) chief Hakimullah Mehsud was written in bold followed by a signature that resembled his name.

    Mohammed had no way of knowing it, but the signature was fake. He had been snared by criminals exploiting the terrifying reputation of the Pakistani Taliban to extort money from rich businessmen in Islamabad and its twin city Rawalpindi.

    The Rawalpindi chamber of commerce says its members regularly receive extortion demands of up to $100,000, and last month a property dealer in the city who refused to pay a demand found explosives hanging from the door of his office...


    other news says TTP planned kidnap of Shias, Ahmadis for ransom
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    FAISALABAD: The banned Pakistan Tehreek-i-Taliban’s local militants had allegedly been assigned the task of kidnapping members of Shia and Ahmadi communities for ransom for fundraising.

    The plan, according to sources, was revealed by five militants during their interrogation by intelligence agencies. The five alleged TTP terrorists -- Usman Ghani alias Talha of Jameel Town, Ghulam Mohammadabad, Ali Azam alias Farooq of Razabad, Mubashar Nadeem alias Bao of Chak Jhumra, Usman of Lahore and Shahzad Ali of Gurunanakpura – had been produced before the media by the police at a press conference on Nov 5.

    The sources said the plan to kidnap members of two communities was approved after an ‘edict’ in favour of such kidnappings for ransom issued by an unidentified cleric...................

    That is the news from Land of pure..   That is not  new to Islam.,   Yap.. Kidnapping people / ransom for the sake of Political Islam is NOT a new thing in Islam. It is called Ghazi (warrior) attacks .
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    Ghazi (غازي, ġāzī) is an Arabic term originally referring to an individual who participates in Ghazw عزو, ġazw), meaning military expeditions or raiding; after the emergence of Islam, it took on new connotations of religious warfare. The related word Ghazwa (غزوة ġazwah) is a singulative form meaning a battle or military expedition, often one led by the Islamic prophet Muhammad


    You can read all that in the old book written in 1881  Tabak-at-i-n-asir-i by  Abu 'Umar Minh-aj ul-D-in 'Usm-an ibn Sir-aj ul-D-in (J-uzjan-i.)  

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Pakistan: The Nation.. The Politics... and The Religion
     Reply #326 - November 21, 2013, 04:03 PM

    Pakistan and Ahmadiyya Isalm

    Nadeem Paracha pens a wonderful article in the above link with the heading  "The 1974 ouster of the ‘heretics’: What really happened?"  let us read a bit


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    The government convinced the opposition members of the committee that the spiritual leader of the Ahmadiyya community also be given the opportunity to present his thoughts and opinion on the issue.  After weeks of intense dialogues among the parliamentary committee, the ulema and the head of the Ahmadiyya community, the committee decided to finally introduce the bill in the assembly. Sections of the press reported that a majority of PPP legislators were unwilling to vote for the bill. But even though the report that was prepared by the committee was never made public, parts of it were leaked to the legislators and the report allegedly recorded the head of the Ahmadiyya community telling the committee that he only considered those who were Ahmadiyya as Muslims.

    On Sept 7, 1974, the bill was passed and the Ahmadiyya became a non-Muslim minority.

    In another series of ironies, in 1977, the parties that had rejoiced the excommunication of the Ahmadiyya in 1974 were out on the streets again — this time agitating against the very government and the man who had agreed to accept their most assertive demand.
    In the final act of this irony, in April 1979, the same man was sent to the gallows (through a sham trial) by the military dictatorship of Ziaul Haq, who decided to stay on to ‘turn Pakistan into a true Islamic republic’, and would go on to explain how Bhutto had become ‘a danger to both Islam and Pakistan’.

    In 1984, the Zia dictatorship further consolidated the state of Pakistan’s stand against the Ahmadiyya by issuing an ordinance (Ordinance XX) which prohibited the Ahmadiyya from preaching or professing their beliefs.

    The ordinance that was enacted to suppress ‘anti-Islamic activities’ forbids Ahmadiyya to call themselves Muslim or to pose as Muslims.

    Their places of worships cannot be called mosques and they are barred from performing the Muslim call to prayer, using the traditional Islamic greeting in public, publicly quoting from the Quran, preaching in public, seeking converts, or producing, publishing, and disseminating their religious materials.

    That is 5 page article., I only picked up a bit read  it all at the link . What attracted me is that heading "heretics-what-really-happened". And thinking about heretics., i think if there was Muhammad. he was nothing but heretic  And you know what happens to heretics in Islam..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Pakistan: The Nation.. The Politics... and The Religion
     Reply #327 - November 21, 2013, 06:21 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNvB0HodKw

    monkey's in power and monkeys in court... the pains of pakistan

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Pakistan: The Nation.. The Politics... and The Religion
     Reply #328 - November 22, 2013, 03:09 PM

    Mr. Sheikh Rasheed .. The cigar man talks to asma shirazi on that Shia-Sunni Rawalpindi fights/killings whatever

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkPO8hKv8y8

    My man Sheikh Rasheed,   This Shia-Sunni Rawalpindi fights/killings  is not new to Islam.  it is going on for centuries ... 1400 centuries. Shouting  in TV programs  will not help that.  Go dance.,  Dance with wolves

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    Oh well....

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Pakistan: The Nation.. The Politics... and The Religion
     Reply #329 - December 03, 2013, 04:23 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEiTqEbaw0A


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaocBUleAhk

    Well the first one of That India's Mr.  M. J. Akbar is about History (debated on July 12, 2012) and the second one is Pakistan Chowk and that is from Mr. Hassan Nisar from  1st December 2013..

    Interesting tubes..

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    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
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