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  • Re: Your experiences of the niqab/burka?
     Reply #60 - May 11, 2010, 03:56 PM
     Huh?
  • Re: Your experiences of the niqab/burka?
     Reply #61 - May 11, 2010, 03:57 PM
    Quote from: Abood on May 11, 2010, 03:49 PM
    It's not completely wrong. People don't like icons of their culture and identity being appropriated, because then they lose meaning.


    The old saying = Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery should always be taking into consideration.   Tongue
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  • Re: Your experiences of the niqab/burka?
     Reply #62 - May 11, 2010, 04:03 PM
    Quote from: Abood on May 11, 2010, 03:56 PM
    Huh?

    Sorry, I thought you were joking. We're talking about a young girl being intimidated for wearing a piece of cloth over her head. Cultural appropriation doesn't make the aggressors' actions any less wrong, I'm afraid.

    In any case, that bollocks doesn't resonate with me. I couldn't care less whether asian people speak in a cockney accent, wear bowler hats or enjoy pork pies - and that is supposedly my "culture". Appropriate all you want.
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  • Re: Your experiences of the niqab/burka?
     Reply #63 - May 11, 2010, 04:09 PM
    I would disagree with it in terms of cultural appropriation. I hate it, for example, when someone wears a keffiyeh around their neck as a fashion statement. It's OK if they do it properly, but otherwise it just loses its meaning.

    A headscarf worn by a non-Muslim can be seen as losing its meaning.

    I'm not saying what they did is right, just that I understand where they come from. Personally, I would see it as a form of solidarity, like pro-Palestinian Westerners wearing the Palestinian black-and-white keffiyeh. No problem with that.
  • Re: Your experiences of the niqab/burka?
     Reply #64 - May 11, 2010, 04:11 PM
    Somethings should indeed lose their meanings, and if that's what simply testing out a hijab for a day to see what your friends feel like results in, then lets hope it happens more often.   dance
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Your experiences of the niqab/burka?
     Reply #65 - May 11, 2010, 04:12 PM
    Let's all wear a hijab!
  • Re: Your experiences of the niqab/burka?
     Reply #66 - May 11, 2010, 04:14 PM
    Yeah.....errr......see the thing is, I think I've suffered enough and already know what it feels like, I couldn't bear to ever wear it again.

     Tongue
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Your experiences of the niqab/burka?
     Reply #67 - May 11, 2010, 04:19 PM
    Quote from: Abood on May 11, 2010, 04:09 PM
    I would disagree with it in terms of cultural appropriation. I hate it, for example, when someone wears a keffiyeh around their neck as a fashion statement. It's OK if they do it properly, but otherwise it just loses its meaning.

    A piece of traditional clothing was appropriated for political means and was then re-appropriated by fashionista's for consumerist ends. Meh.

    Quote from: Abood on May 11, 2010, 04:09 PM
    A headscarf worn by a non-Muslim can be seen as losing its meaning.

    Why is that necessarily a bad thing?

    Quote from: Abood on May 11, 2010, 04:09 PM
    I'm not saying what they did is right, just that I understand where they come from. Personally, I would see it as a form of solidarity, like pro-Palestinian Westerners wearing the Palestinian black-and-white keffiyeh. No problem with that.

    I don't buy into this type of identity politics. It' s stupid enough when emo kids get beaten up by metal kids, but when adults pretend to care it's just pitiful.
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  • Re: Your experiences of the niqab/burka?
     Reply #68 - May 11, 2010, 04:22 PM
    Well, some people care about their cultures and don't want them to lose meaning.

    Quote from: BerberElla on May 11, 2010, 04:14 PM
    Yeah.....errr......see the thing is, I think I've suffered enough and already know what it feels like, I couldn't bear to ever wear it again.

     Tongue

    We should turn it into a sex symbol, kinda like this: http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=9409.msg240409#msg240409

    Can people like, I dunno, wear only a hijab while having sex?

  • Re: Your experiences of the niqab/burka?
     Reply #69 - May 11, 2010, 04:31 PM
    Quote from: Abood on May 11, 2010, 04:22 PM
    Well, some people care about their cultures and don't want them to lose meaning.

    I hear that a lot from white supremacists about brown people acting "white". Why they have any less reason to be butthurt given your reasoning isn't immediately obvious to me.

    Quote from: Abood on May 11, 2010, 04:22 PM
    We should turn it into a sex symbol, kinda like this: http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=9409.msg240409#msg240409

    Can people like, I dunno, wear only a hijab while having sex?

    Don't force me to invoke Rule 34. Tongue
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  • Re: Your experiences of the niqab/burka?
     Reply #70 - May 11, 2010, 04:33 PM
    Quote
    I hear that a lot from white supremacists about brown people acting "white". Why they have any less reason to be butthurt given your reasoning isn't immediately obvious to me.

    Well, maybe you should think about it. Smiley

    Quote
    Don't force me to invoke Rule 34. Tongue

    What's Rule 34? Sounds like a big deal.
  • Re: Your experiences of the niqab/burka?
     Reply #71 - May 11, 2010, 04:50 PM
    Quote from: Abood on May 11, 2010, 04:33 PM
    Well, maybe you should think about it. Smiley

    I'd prefer you explain it, to be honest.
    Quote from: Abood on May 11, 2010, 04:33 PM
    What's Rule 34? Sounds like a big deal.

    It's the most important rule on the internet.

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  • Re: Your experiences of the niqab/burka?
     Reply #72 - May 11, 2010, 08:14 PM
    Quote from: BerberElla on May 11, 2010, 04:11 PM
    Somethings should indeed lose their meanings, and if that's what simply testing out a hijab for a day to see what your friends feel like results in, then lets hope it happens more often.   dance


     Smiley thats what i thought. Shame others didn't.
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  • Re: Your experiences of the niqab/burka?
     Reply #73 - May 11, 2010, 08:16 PM
    Quote from: Abood on May 11, 2010, 03:49 PM
    It's not completely wrong. People don't like icons of their culture and identity being appropriated, because then they lose meaning.


    then they will grow better undestanding of it. What could be the harm in that?
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  • Re: Your experiences of the niqab/burka?
     Reply #74 - May 11, 2010, 08:17 PM
    Quote from: thinkfree on May 11, 2010, 04:03 PM
    Sorry, I thought you were joking. We're talking about a young girl being intimidated for wearing a piece of cloth over her head. Cultural appropriation doesn't make the aggressors' actions any less wrong, I'm afraid.

    In any case, that bollocks doesn't resonate with me. I couldn't care less whether asian people speak in a cockney accent, wear bowler hats or enjoy pork pies - and that is supposedly my "culture". Appropriate all you want.


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    I will find youuuuuuuu muahahahaha
  • Re: Your experiences of the niqab/burka?
     Reply #75 - July 07, 2010, 09:44 AM
    Having read through this thread, perhaps somebody should organise an "Everybody wear hijab day"?

    Predominately it could be sold as a day of solidarity, but the bonus would be that it would piss off the idiots that do indeed think it is a sign of cultural "specialness".

    Or am I just thinking like an idiot?

  • Re: Your experiences of the niqab/burka?
     Reply #76 - July 07, 2010, 11:30 AM
    Muslims would just use it as a sign that we like the idea of a hijab.
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  • Re: Your experiences of the niqab/burka?
     Reply #77 - July 07, 2010, 07:40 PM
    Quote from: Nour on March 30, 2010, 02:56 PM
    Because like most religions, Islam was invented by a MAN thereby determining the standard for the religion to be inherantly male whilst the female is seen as the 'other'.  Islam views the world from a purely male standpoint, thus all the extra restrictions on females in order to control male lust and behavior.


    Bingo! I am glad you have realized it and I hope  that  all western women who make educated[gleefully coaxed  by dawah merchants a.k.a super cons] free choices[??] realize this and stop being Islam's super apologists.


    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
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  • Re: Your experiences of the niqab/burka?
     Reply #78 - July 17, 2010, 09:32 AM
    Quote from: PeruvianSkies on March 28, 2010, 09:46 PM
    How many of you girls wore a niqab/burka at some point of your lives when you were muslims? What was your general experience of it? Did you feel it increased your imam and make you feel fulfilled? Or did it just get in the way all the time and make you ridiculously hot? And those of you who have had to wear it in the hotter countries, how difficult was this for you? Any of you guys still experience sexual harassment with it on?

    I just read one members experience of it so wondering whether others experienced anything similar.


    I've worn niqab before when I was religious. I did not feel oppressed at all tbh nor did I feel cut off from everyone else as my friends still were my friends with or without the coverings, I chose to wear it even though the majority of my family do not wear it.
    I did enjoy not having to dress up every time I left the house, jeans/top underneath and all set to go.
    The one thing I did hate about it was the restrictions on breathing, oh that was horrible.

    Oh and lol on sexual harrassment. No guys dared approach me with it on
    Blind faith is an ironic gift to return to the Creator of human intelligence

  • Re: Your experiences of the niqab/burka?
     Reply #79 - July 21, 2010, 06:37 AM
    Quote from: Meredith
    The one thing I did hate about it was the restrictions on breathing, oh that was horrible.


    The warmer months would've been tough. Smiley

    Eating/drinking in public would've been a pain as well, no?
  • Re: Your experiences of the niqab/burka?
     Reply #80 - July 21, 2010, 07:13 AM
    Quote from: abz on July 21, 2010, 06:37 AM
    The warmer months would've been tough. Smiley

    Eating/drinking in public would've been a pain as well, no?


    That was what eventually made me take it off.
    Winter months were fine, infact it was like having a massive blanket over me at all times.  Summer months with it was horrible and breathing was made 10x worse by the heat as you felt like you were not getting fresh air at all.

    And I never ate or drank in public purely for logistical reasons, too much hassle and would have been embarrassing attempting it at a restaurant or fast food joint.

    Its that anonymity I must say I enjoyed the best and it appealed to the inner voyeur in me. I could observe everyone else at my own leisure.
    Blind faith is an ironic gift to return to the Creator of human intelligence

  • Re: Your experiences of the niqab/burka?
     Reply #81 - July 21, 2010, 07:19 AM
    Are you a hijabi atm?
  • Re: Your experiences of the niqab/burka?
     Reply #82 - July 21, 2010, 07:20 AM
    Heck no.
    I took it off the first chance I could without repercussions

    But I'm forced to wear it for "special occassions"
    You know weddings, mosque, Ramadan  Roll Eyes
    Blind faith is an ironic gift to return to the Creator of human intelligence

  • Re: Your experiences of the niqab/burka?
     Reply #83 - July 21, 2010, 07:25 AM
    2 out of my 4 sisters don't wear it, incidentally it's the two older ones that opted out...'cept for those 'occasions' lol....or when we have certain guests come over.
  • Re: Your experiences of the niqab/burka?
     Reply #84 - July 21, 2010, 07:27 AM
    Out of my sisters, 1 wears it. The other one refuses.
    Funnily enough, it is the oldest who refuses to touch it.
    The younger one is really beginning to "get into it" about now and Mom is encouraging her.

    My Mom does special treatment for those who wear it or are religious and pretty much ignores the rest of us.
    Blind faith is an ironic gift to return to the Creator of human intelligence

  • Re: Your experiences of the niqab/burka?
     Reply #85 - July 21, 2010, 07:31 AM
    Quote from: Meredith
    Funnily enough, it is the oldest who refuses to touch it.


    Bit of a pattern. Wink

    Quote from: Meredith
    My Mom does special treatment for those who wear it or are religious and pretty much ignores the rest of us.


    FMD I'm sorry to hear that Meredith.
  • Re: Your experiences of the niqab/burka?
     Reply #86 - July 21, 2010, 07:38 AM
    Quote from: abz on July 21, 2010, 07:31 AM
    Bit of a pattern. Wink

    FMD I'm sorry to hear that Meredith.


    Lol yeah.

    It's okay, it's not that bad I suppose compared to what could happen.
    I enjoy pushing my limits by coming home with new piercings or haircuts lol
    Blind faith is an ironic gift to return to the Creator of human intelligence

  • Re: Your experiences of the niqab/burka?
     Reply #87 - July 21, 2010, 07:40 AM
    Quote from: Meredith on July 21, 2010, 07:20 AM
    Heck no.
    I took it off the first chance I could without repercussions

    But I'm forced to wear it for "special occassions"
    You know weddings, mosque, Ramadan  Roll Eyes


    So free choice has limitations, doesn't it?


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    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: Your experiences of the niqab/burka?
     Reply #88 - July 21, 2010, 07:51 AM
    Quote from: hypocrucifier on July 21, 2010, 07:40 AM
    So free choice has limitations, doesn't it?


    Is this about the burka thing again?
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  • Re: Your experiences of the niqab/burka?
     Reply #89 - July 21, 2010, 01:15 PM
     Cheesy sorry! yes! I don't mean to be pesky, but it is difficult to have your own way all the time, isn't it?Much to our dislike we have to compromise. Of course you could argue that you could always choose your compromises! Cheesy. The thing is that you have been lucky enough to have made a 'painless' compromise.Others in England, may not have been as lucky as you are. For with their family around them and monitoring them all the time it would be very difficult or impossible to exercise their free choice.My feeling is that,at least in the Asian community there are many unlucky ones. For whom the compromise has meant giving up their choice altogether. So though I agree on the one hand that the ban may not be the right thing[generally speaking I don't support bans in personal matters],but on the other hand a ban might be useful to free them. Of course the pros and cons have to be weighed properly before any action is taken.

     
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