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  • "interpretations" from the Quran
     OP - November 23, 2010, 10:46 AM

    I have noticed alot of the more advanced theology of Islam seems to have been the product of the minds of some of the scholars themselves which they have tried to entertain by finding a passage/verse within the Quran that might supposedly resemble.

    Many reasons could be behind this...

    1) if they introduced something new, it would be a fitna, so they tried to use the Quran to back themselves up

    I think this is a tactic that has been notoriously used by the Sufis to conceal their heresy

    2) since Islam is already well-established they would rather fit in with the overall Islamic religious community to propound their doctrines

    3) even though they have indepedently arrived with these, they have fooled themselves into thinking that it is these verses that have alluded what they themselves arrived at

    This to me highlights the deficiency of the Quran.

    Religious views and ideas clearly have gotten more complicated and elaborate over time.

    The Quran doesn't contain any "deeper" meanings in them as adamantly as Muslims claim.

    Most of us here are Atheists so we don't even entertain the slightest notion of a "Creator" etc but bear with me and assume for the sake of discussion that there may be a Creator

    so as to gauge the credibility of the Quran being perhaps from this Creator

    as such now let's attempt to analyze whether or not the Quran may be appropriately a scripture from this "Creator" or could it have been the work of anyone else

    Considering that as per Islamic tradition Muhammad is the "prophet" who speaks of "revelations" from this "Creator". Our objective would be to assert through reason that it is Muhammad who came up with it.

    I think there is only so much of "interpretation" one may be able to acquire from a literature.

    The Quran makes alot of claims for itself

    1) its author is the Creator of the universe
    2) it is the sole scripture for all of mankind in order to follow religion that is recognized as valid at least, as per this Creator
    3) eternal damnation and humiliation for denying or mocking it
    4) rejecting it in any way is the fault of the person doing so, mainly due to intellectual and moral deficiency/corruption
    5) it is clear and has got valuable advice/knowledge to offer etc

    when one inspects the Quran and makes a reasonable judgement of it based on the obvious, really there is hardly anything to think of otherwise than that Muhammad himself could have authored it

    I'm sorry but how much fucking brains does it require to write this piece of shit?

    http://quran.com/105
  • Re: "interpretations" from the Quran
     Reply #1 - November 23, 2010, 10:59 AM

    shit, this thread doesnt flow so well, I missed out on what I wanted to type, maybe Allah piggy is jinxing me  Cry
  • Re: "interpretations" from the Quran
     Reply #2 - November 23, 2010, 11:02 AM

     Cheesy Cheesy

    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: "interpretations" from the Quran
     Reply #3 - November 24, 2010, 09:30 AM

    Sheikh Nazim's "interpretation" of la ilaha il allah

    Quote
    the ultimate goal is beyond even the intimacy of “I and Thou”, a Unity beyond duality, for He is All in All. That is the meaning of, “There is no God but He”. As long as we cling to the separateness of our physical and spiritual existence, we are far from our goal. Why do we fear death? Because we are afraid of being non-existent; that is why the soul and body, which enable each other to exist in this realm, cling to each other so tenaciously. We may have to pay a high price to remain alive, but yet do we endure.

    The Lord is beckoning us to enter that Ocean of Unity while we are yet in this life, to dissolve as sugar dissolves in tea. When the sugar dissolves you can no longer say, “This is sugar and that is tea”.

  • Re: "interpretations" from the Quran
     Reply #4 - November 24, 2010, 09:56 AM

    my "interpretation" of "there is no God but He"

    falsehood, the conceptualizations of polytheist Gods, the representations of polytheist Gods themselves, the believing in these polytheist Gods, the feeling of realness of those who think polytheist Gods are real, the thoughts, the mind of the worshippers of these polytheists Gods and the whole of these worshippers everything, these are all nothing but Allah

    there is nothing in particular that we may point out that is or isn't Allah. That is what "there is no God but He" means. It is not that these Gods do not exist. We do not actually create them. Because Allah is literally Everything.

    Isis, Shang di, Aphrodite etc these are all "made up" of Allah's substance. They too are Allah in every way.

    we can believe in them or not believe in them, but not a single thing is ever devoid of Allah, it all simply is Allah, this why we don't choose to practice polytheism, because by doing so we are giving importance over something especially, and by doing so we are denying the Everything/Allah, we humiliate ourselves by worshipping these Gods, because we too are Allah

    Allah is every bit of anything concievable or otherwise, Allah is within everything, Allah is beyond Everything, as well as beneath Everything, Allah is the Lowest of the Low as well as the Highest of High

    this is what "exceeding in Might" means as well

    the downtrodden are Allah, yet by being downtrodden, their substance "Allah" is not weakened

    as well as the elevated, when the elevated abuse the downtrodden, they are not stronger, how can Allah weaken Himself? surely He cannot

    whatever thoughts regarding any deity, any deities themselves these are all literally just Allah

    "there is no God but Allah" any and all Gods are too Allah
  • Re: "interpretations" from the Quran
     Reply #5 - November 24, 2010, 10:00 AM

    how do you realize Allah?

    when you think and the light bulb lights up in your head "All ah !"

     grin12 Afro
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