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  • Re: LOST fans in the house?
     Reply #90 - May 27, 2010, 12:24 AM

    Can someone tell me what LOST is about? A lot of people are talking about it and my spartacus thread is failing compared to this Tongue


    It was fundamentally, for me, about science vs. faith. In the form of a kind of Gilligan's Island with a giant smoke monster running amok. There are the "Others" who are a mysterious group of people who also live on the Island, as well as something called "The Dharma Intiative". Later on, there is also time travel (which is when it all starts to get a bit shaky).
  • Re: LOST fans in the house?
     Reply #91 - May 27, 2010, 12:27 AM

    It was fundamentally, for me, about science vs. faith. In the form of a kind of Gilligan's Island with a giant smoke monster running amok. There are the 'Others' who are a mysterious group of people who also live on the Island, as well as something called 'The Dharma Intiative.' Later on, there is also time travel (which is when it all starts to get a bit shaky).


    Don't know what Gilligan's Island is but thanks for giving me an idea what its about... I want to watch it but right now I'm really busy (with finals and other stuff) I don't want to get sucked into it!
  • Re: LOST fans in the house?
     Reply #92 - May 27, 2010, 12:33 AM

    Basically a bunch of people trying to survive on and leave a desert island where many strange things happen. And if you do start watching, don't get too wrapped up in the mysteries because let's just say you will often feel like reverting to Islam just so you can establish a caliphate and stone the writers to death.
  • Re: LOST fans in the house?
     Reply #93 - May 27, 2010, 01:12 AM

    Basically a bunch of people trying to survive on and leave a desert island where many strange things happen. And if you do start watching, don't get too wrapped up in the mysteries because let's just say you will often feel like reverting to Islam just so you can establish a caliphate and stone the writers to death.


    Hahaha ok I'll keep that in mind!
  • Re: LOST fans in the house?
     Reply #94 - May 27, 2010, 03:25 AM

    yea i am very disappointed with LOST! soooo many questions were not answered. yea its good we know what happens with the damn cast but we wanted to know what the hell was going on on the island.


    here is a good college humor video asking some questions that were not answered Smiley

    http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1936291

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  • Re: LOST fans in the house?
     Reply #95 - May 27, 2010, 09:31 AM

    I fucken loved the last episode. Lost isn't about mythology, it's about emotions and characters. If you wanted mythology you should read the bible or watch Star wars or something
  • Re: LOST fans in the house?
     Reply #96 - May 27, 2010, 09:34 AM

    I hate Star Wars' type sci-fi. Its not even good sci-fi.

    That is why I love Arthur C. Clarke's brilliance instead.

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  • Re: LOST fans in the house?
     Reply #97 - May 27, 2010, 09:36 AM

    OK w/e I'm just sick of internet nazis constantly bitching about how the final episode of Lost didn't go into the food packages dropping from the sky or the experiments done on polar bears and sharks

    Who fuckin cares? If you wanted that kind of bullshit, you should go elsewhere, or use imagination and guess.
  • Re: LOST fans in the house?
     Reply #98 - May 27, 2010, 09:41 AM

    OK w/e I'm just sick of internet nazis constantly bitching about how the final episode of Lost didn't go into the food packages dropping from the sky or the experiments done on polar bears and sharks

    Who fuckin cares? If you wanted that kind of bullshit, you should go elsewhere, or use imagination and guess.


    Hahaha calling people who complain nazis....

    Apparently a lot of people were disappointed and by the sound of it the show is over so of course people are going to go elsewhere now Tongue

    You guys should check out a cool TV series called Spartacus: Blood and Sand

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  • Re: LOST fans in the house?
     Reply #99 - May 27, 2010, 09:42 AM

    I've given up on TV-books are the way forward, books and overconfident people on youtube. TV is not worth it anymore


    And yes, they are nazis since they have ridiculously high standards and have no right to expect anything.
  • Re: LOST fans in the house?
     Reply #100 - May 27, 2010, 09:45 AM

    I've given up on TV-books are the way forward, books and overconfident people on youtube. TV is not worth it anymore


    And yes, they are nazis since they have ridiculously high standards and have no right to expect anything.


    Yeah I don't watch TV anymore, I watch everything on the internet via hulu or something else.
  • Re: LOST fans in the house?
     Reply #101 - May 27, 2010, 11:42 AM

    I fucken loved the last episode. Lost isn't about mythology, it's about emotions and characters. If you wanted mythology you should read the bible or watch Star wars or something


    I agree and disagree. I think it was about both, in equal measure. I mean, season five almost completely abandoned character development (perhaps apart from Sawyer's transition to "LaFleur") in favour of a time-travel season exploring the history of the island.

    Don't get me started on the cabin.  Huh?
  • Re: LOST fans in the house?
     Reply #102 - May 27, 2010, 01:18 PM

    Yeah I don't watch TV anymore.

    Me too, this site effectively killed off TV and long telephone calls for me.

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  • Re: LOST fans in the house?
     Reply #103 - May 27, 2010, 06:00 PM

    Im still lost.

    "A good man is so hard to find but a hard man is so good to find"
  • Re: LOST fans in the house?
     Reply #104 - May 27, 2010, 07:54 PM

    OK w/e I'm just sick of internet nazis constantly bitching about how the final episode of Lost didn't go into the food packages dropping from the sky or the experiments done on polar bears and sharks

    Who fuckin cares? If you wanted that kind of bullshit, you should go elsewhere, or use imagination and guess.


    Yeah, but this isn't just about wrapping up/answering every mystery or question raised in Lost-- we're talkin about them leaving major fucking plot points unresolved.

    Questions like "What was the Island?", "Where did Jacob's adoptive mother come from?", "What was the light and why did it need protecting?", "What happened to Walt's plotline?", "What was Desmond's real role, the electromagnetic shit and the time travel all about?" aren't trifles, they are major plot points that the writers either gave up on or couldn't resolve, and that viewers wanted to know about desperately.

    You can't just wrap up 6 seasons of complex narrative ignoring major plot points by giving it a feel-good rainbow and puppies "all the characters you love died but are going to heaven together happy" ending, and excuse it by saying the show was always about the characters, not mysteries or plot.

    Basically, the show boils down to: Plane crashes on mysterious island because Jacob wants someone to take over from him when his brother eventually kills him (which, incidentally, he wouldn't have been able to do if Jacob had stopped bringing people to the island in the first place)--> bunch of weird shit happens for 6 seasons, most of which is left unexplained (including the most important mystery-- what the fuck is the island?) and people die, many for reasons that aren't entirely clear--> the main characters reunite in purgatory and go to heaven together.

    Lame and a fuckin ripoff to the viewer.

    fuck you
  • Re: LOST fans in the house?
     Reply #105 - May 27, 2010, 07:56 PM

    Lol, to be honest, your a sucker if you ever thought those questions would be answered.

    So many questions popping up all the time, did you think the writers were geniuses? No, they were doing the same thing Wall street is doing, writing cheques that they couldn't cash.

    Your a fool if you didn't think that was happening.
  • Re: LOST fans in the house?
     Reply #106 - May 27, 2010, 08:01 PM

    Lol, to be honest, your a sucker if you ever thought those questions would be answered.

    So many questions popping up all the time, did you think the writers were geniuses? No, they were doing the same thing Wall street is doing, writing cheques that they couldn't cash.

    Your a fool if you didn't think that was happening.


    God if only you worked in Hollywood instead of spending your time deriding the writers of Lost. We could have magnificent works of art.

    If you only you worked in Wall Street, we would have never faced the financial crises.

    If only, you didn't spend all your time trolling on a forum which you asked to be banned from. If only you had the guts to say who you really are instead of trolling behind a sock account.
  • Re: LOST fans in the house?
     Reply #107 - May 27, 2010, 09:51 PM

    I've just bought the first 5 seasons as a boxset. We worked it out that it would take 75 hrs, equiv. to just over 3 days to watch it all back to back without breaks. Cheesy
  • Re: LOST fans in the house?
     Reply #108 - May 27, 2010, 10:39 PM

     Afro good luck, I got a headache just watching the 4 hours of the series finale.

    "A good man is so hard to find but a hard man is so good to find"
  • Re: LOST fans in the house?
     Reply #109 - May 27, 2010, 10:40 PM

    What made you do that after reading this thread  mysmilie_977

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  • Re: LOST fans in the house?
     Reply #110 - May 27, 2010, 10:58 PM

    ^ Moi? I haven't read this thread in case there are any spoilers lerking around. cool2
  • Re: LOST fans in the house?
     Reply #111 - May 27, 2010, 11:01 PM

    Trust me, there arent many spoilers in Lost, it never got that far..

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  • Re: LOST fans in the house?
     Reply #112 - May 27, 2010, 11:04 PM

    I got it for £70 as opposed to the original £170 @ HMV, so a bargin. I have been meaning to watch it for a very long time just haven't got round to doing so.
  • Re: LOST fans in the house?
     Reply #113 - May 27, 2010, 11:26 PM

    Yeah, but this isn't just about wrapping up/answering every mystery or question raised in Lost-- we're talkin about them leaving major fucking plot points unresolved.

    Questions like "What was the Island?", "Where did Jacob's adoptive mother come from?", "What was the light and why did it need protecting?", "What happened to Walt's plotline?", "What was Desmond's real role, the electromagnetic shit and the time travel all about?" aren't trifles, they are major plot points that the writers either gave up on or couldn't resolve, and that viewers wanted to know about desperately.


    To be honest, I lowered my expectations after the Jacob flashback episode, because you have his adopted mother saying to his real mother, "Any answers I give will you just lead to more questions". This was blatantly a hint from the writers to the audience to say "Don't expect any further answers after this episode".
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    You can't just wrap up 6 seasons of complex narrative ignoring major plot points by giving it a feel-good rainbow and puppies "all the characters you love died but are going to heaven together happy" ending, and excuse it by saying the show was always about the characters, not mysteries or plot.


    It's their show, they can do what they want! I don't feel that the show was explicitly preachy in any way, just lazy with the whole "afterlife". It renders the off-Island stuff this season completely pointless, the whole "Sawyer is a cop and Miles is his sidekick".

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    Basically, the show boils down to: Plane crashes on mysterious island because Jacob wants someone to take over from him when his brother eventually kills him (which, incidentally, he wouldn't have been able to do if Jacob had stopped bringing people to the island in the first place)--> bunch of weird shit happens for 6 seasons, most of which is left unexplained (including the most important mystery-- what the fuck is the island?) and people die, many for reasons that aren't entirely clear--> the main characters reunite in purgatory and go to heaven together.


    Yup, that's pretty much it!  grin12

    What bugs me is that season 5 made everything meaningless by making everything a self-fulfilling prophecy: Locke's being "special" was only because he visited Richard in the 1950s and gave him the compass. Season 6 explained everything away by saying "Jacob did it" or something similar. The entire mythology of the series is all linked back to a crazy woman. It almost makes sense.

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    Lame and a fuckin ripoff to the viewer.


    I wouldn't go that far. The ride has been fun, for me anyway. Not sure if I would take it again.
  • Re: LOST fans in the house?
     Reply #114 - June 02, 2010, 09:50 PM

    I'm surprised that some didnt get it or that some hated it. personally i loved it.

    theres a posting from one of the writers on the show which explains everything

    ***SPOILERS BELOW IF YOU HAVENT WATCHED THE ENDING!***

    Good stuff on here! I can finally throw in my two cents! I've had to bite my tongue for far too long. Also, hopefully I can answer some questions about Dharma and the "pointless breadcrumbs" that really, weren't so pointless... First...

    The Island: It was real. Everything that happened on the island that we saw throughout the 6 seasons was real. Forget the final image of the plane crash, it was put in purposely to f*&k with people's heads and show how far the show had come. They really crashed. They really survived. They really discovered Dharma and the Others. The Island keeps the balance of good and evil in the world. It always has and always will perform that role. And the Island will always need a "Protector". Jacob wasn't the first, Hurley won't be the last.

    However, Jacob had to deal with a malevolent force (MIB) that his mother, nor Hurley had to deal with. He created the devil and had to find a way to kill him -- even though the rules prevented him from actually doing so. Thus began Jacob's plan to bring candidates to the Island to do the one thing he couldn't do. Kill the MIB. He had a huge list of candidates that spanned generations. Yet every time he brought people there, the MIB corrupted them and caused them to kill one another. That was until Richard came along and helped Jacob understand that if he didn't take a more active role, then his plan would never work.

    Enter Dharma. Dharma, like the countless scores of people that were brought to the island before, were brought there by Jacob as part of his plan to kill the MIB. However, the MIB was aware of this plan and interfered by "corrupting" Ben. Making Ben believe he was doing the work of Jacob when in reality he was doing the work of the MIB. This carried over into all of Ben's "off-island" activities. He was the leader. He spoke for Jacob as far as they were concerned. So the "Others" killed Dharma and later were actively trying to kill Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley and all the candidates because that's what the MIB wanted. And what he couldn't do for himself. Dharma was originally brought in to be good. But was turned bad by MIB's corruption and eventually destroyed by his pawn Ben. Now, was Dharma only brought there to help Jack and the other Candidates on their overall quest to kill Smokey? Or did Jacob have another list of Canidates from the Dharma group that we were never aware of? That's a question that is purposely not answered because whatever answer the writers came up with would be worse than the one you come up with for yourself.

    Still... Dharma's purpose is not "pointless" or even vague. Hell, it's pretty blatant. Still, despite his grand plan, Jacob wanted to give his "candidates" (our Lostaways) the one thing he, nor his brother, were ever afforded: free will. Hence him bringing a host of "candidates" through the decades and letting them "choose" which one would actually do the job in the end. Maybe he knew Jack would be the one to kill Flocke and that Hurley would be the protector in the end. Maybe he didn't. But that was always the key question of the show: Fate vs Free-will. Science vs Faith. Personally I think Jacob knew from the beginning what was going to happen and that everyone played a part over 6 seasons in helping Jack get to the point where he needed to be to kill Smokey and make Hurley the protector -- I know that's how a lot of the writers viewed it. But again, they won't answer that (nor should they) because that ruins the fun.

    In the end, Jack got to do what he always wanted to do from the very first episode of the show: Save his fellow Lostaways. He got Kate and Sawyer off the island and he gave Hurley the purpose in life he'd always been missing. And, in Sideways world (which we'll get to next) he in fact saved everyone by helping them all move on ... Now...

    Sideways World: Sideways world is where it gets really cool in terms of theology and metaphysical discussion (for me at least -- because I love history/religion theories and loved all the talks in the writer's room about it). Basically what the show is proposing is that we're all linked to certain people during our lives. Call them soulmates (though it's not exactly the best word). But these people we're linked to are with us during "the most important moments of our lives" as Christian said. These are the people we move through the universe with from lifetime to lifetime.

    It's loosely based in Hinduisim with large doses of western religion thrown into the mix. The conceit that the writers created, basing it off these religious philosophies, was that as a group, the Lostaways subconsciously created this "sideways" world where they exist in purgatory until they are "awakened" and find one another. Once they all find one another, they can then move on and move forward. In essence, this is the show's concept of the afterlife. According to the show, everyone creates their own "Sideways" purgatory with their "soulmates" throughout their lives and exist there until they all move on together. That's a beautiful notion. Even if you aren't religious or even spiritual, the idea that we live AND die together is deeply profound and moving. It's a really cool and spiritual concept that fits the whole tone and subtext the show has had from the beginning. These people were SUPPOSED to be together on that plane. They were supposed to live through these events -- not JUST because of Jacob. But because that's what the universe or God (depending on how religious you wish to get) wanted to happen. The show was always about science vs faith -- and it ultimately came down on the side of faith. It answered THE core question of the series. The one question that has been at the root of every island mystery, every character back-story, every plot twist. That, by itself, is quite an accomplishment. How much you want to extrapolate from that is up to you as the viewer.

    Think about season 1 when we first found the Hatch. Everyone thought that's THE answer! Whatever is down there is the answer! Then, as we discovered it was just one station of many. One link in a very long chain that kept revealing more, and more of a larger mosaic. But the writer's took it even further this season by contrasting this Sideways "purgatory" with the Island itself. Remember when Michael appeared to Hurley, he said he was not allowed to leave the Island. Just like the MIB. He wasn't allowed into this sideways world and thus, was not afforded the opportunity to move on. Why? Because he had proven himself to be unworthy with his actions on the Island. He failed the test. The others, passed. They made it into Sideways world when they died -- some before Jack, some years later. In Hurley's case, maybe centuries later. They exist in this sideways world until they are "awakened" and they can only move on TOGETHER because they are linked. They are destined to be together for eternity. That was their destiny. They were NOT linked to Anna Lucia, Daniel, Roussou, Alex, Miles, Lupidis, (and all the rest who weren't in the chuch -- basically everyone who wasn't in season 1). Yet those people exist in Sideways world. Why? Well again, here's where they leave it up to you to decide. The way I like to think about it, is that those people who were left behind in Sideways world have to find their own soulmates before they can wake up. It's possible that those links aren't people from the island but from their other life (Anna's partner, the guy she shot --- Roussou's husband, etc etc).

    A lot of people have been talking about Ben and why he didn't go into the Church. And if you think of Sideways world in this way, then it gives you the answer to that very question. Ben can't move on yet because he hasn't connected with the people he needs to. It's going to be his job to awaken Roussou, Alex, Anna Lucia (maybe), Ethan, Goodspeed, his father and the rest. He has to atone for his sins more than he did by being Hurley's number two. He has to do what Hurley and Desmond did for our Lostaways with his own people. He has to help them connect. And he can only move on when all the links in his chain are ready to. Same can be said for Faraday, Charlotte, Whidmore, Hawkins etc. It's really a neat, and cool concept. At least to me.

    But, from a more "behind the scenes" note: the reason Ben's not in the church, and the reason no one is in the church but for Season 1 people is because they wrote the ending to the show after writing the pilot. And never changed it. The writers always said (and many didn't believe them) that they knew their ending from the very first episode. I applaud them for that. It's pretty fantastic. Originally Ben was supposed to have a 3 episode arc and be done. But he became a big part of the show. They could have easily changed their ending and put him in the church -- but instead they problem solved it. Gave him a BRILLIANT moment with Locke outside the church ... and then that was it. I loved that. For those that wonder -- the original ending started the moment Jack walked into the church and touches the casket to Jack closing his eyes as the other plane flies away. That was always JJ's ending. And they kept it. For me the ending of this show means a lot. Not only because I worked on it, but because as a writer it inspired me in a way the medium had never done before.

    I've been inspired to write by great films. Maybe too many to count. And there have been amazing TV shows that I've loved (X-Files, 24, Sopranos, countless 1/2 hour shows). But none did what LOST did for me. None showed me that you could take huge risks (writing a show about faith for network TV) and stick to your creative guns and STILL please the audience. I learned a lot from the show as a writer. I learned even more from being around the incredible writers, producers, PAs, interns and everyone else who slaved on the show for 6 years. In the end, for me, LOST was a touchstone show that dealt with faith, the afterlife, and all these big, spiritual questions that most shows don't touch. And to me, they never once waivered from their core story -- even with all the sci-fi elements they mixed in. To walk that long and daunting of a creative tightrope and survive is simply astounding.

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  • Re: LOST fans in the house?
     Reply #115 - June 02, 2010, 09:59 PM

    i have a question for anyone who saw the finale. in the church with the religious symbols in the stained glassed window, along with the cross, wheel, star of david and aum signs.The star and the crescent was it the wrong way around?

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  • Re: LOST fans in the house?
     Reply #116 - June 03, 2010, 07:04 PM

    i have a question for anyone who saw the finale. in the church with the religious symbols in the stained glassed window, along with the cross, wheel, star of david and aum signs.The star and the crescent was it the wrong way around?


    Yes, it was the wrong way around, though whether or not this symbol is truly "Islamic" (as some Muslims will contest) is altogether another thing. Found that a bit curious though.

    Unitarian glass-panes aside, I saw an excellent review of LOST from an atheist/philosophical perspective. His views are a bit far-fetched, but it is a refreshing way of looking at the series and how it went from a balanced discussion of rationality vs. faith to being pretty much all about faith.


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