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 Topic: The ex-muslim super ego, do you haz it?

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  • Re: The ex-muslim super ego, do you haz it?
     Reply #60 - April 04, 2011, 07:40 AM

    yeah thanks yeez

    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: The ex-muslim super ego, do you haz it?
     Reply #61 - April 04, 2011, 08:33 AM

    It's almost impossible to read him first hand. I've only approached his work through secondary sources.
    The best I found were the Routledge Critical Thinkers: Lacan by Sean Homer and the Cambridge Companion to Lacan.

    This one is quite good too: How to Read Lacan

    Online version is here: http://www.lacan.com/zizhowto.html

    Personally I find Lacan as Viewer of Alien and Lacan as Viewer of Casablanca particularly interesting.

    In fact if one is to understand Zizek one must at least be familiar with Lacan (and Hegel). Nice thing about Zizek is that he presents Lacanian stuff in a more approachable and extremely interesting way.
  • Re: The ex-muslim super ego, do you haz it?
     Reply #62 - April 04, 2011, 09:04 AM

    I don't think the super-ego is just an imposition of morality but rather an imposition of absolutes. So anything you think is absolutely unchangeable or undoable or unthinkable is your super-ego speaking.

    Precisely. Demands of the superego are also always in the realm of impossible (the more you try and appease it the guiltier of not appeasing it you are). Typical superego character is Abrahamic god (at least that's how most religionists perceive it), imo that's one of the main reasons why Abrahamic religions are so fucked up.
  • Re: The ex-muslim super ego, do you haz it?
     Reply #63 - April 04, 2011, 09:30 AM

    I can dig out a few books and stuff later, if you like. Off hand, I'd recommend one book because it was the first one I ever picked up, the one that left the biggest impression and made me hungry for more, and that’s The Unfettered Mind, by Takuan Soho. I keep meaning to post a little bit more in the Buddhism thread too, but never got around to it.

    It's one of the few books I have in hardback, suffice it to say it's a favourite of mine.  Afro

    Each of us a failed state in stark relief against the backdrop of the perfect worlds we seek.
    Propagandhi - Failed States
  • Re: The ex-muslim super ego, do you haz it?
     Reply #64 - April 04, 2011, 09:46 AM

    I can dig out a few books and stuff later, if you like. Off hand, I'd recommend one book because it was the first one I ever picked up, the one that left the biggest impression and made me hungry for more, and that’s The Unfettered Mind, by Takuan Soho. I keep meaning to post a little bit more in the Buddhism thread too, but never got around to it.

    Now in my shopping list.  Cheers.

    Against the ruin of the world, there
    is only one defense: the creative act.

    -- Kenneth Rexroth
  • Re: The ex-muslim super ego, do you haz it?
     Reply #65 - April 04, 2011, 09:52 AM

    the only absolute that fucks me over is my bad habit of constantly telling myself i'm not worth the time of others(and vice versa), whatever that means.
  • Re: The ex-muslim super ego, do you haz it?
     Reply #66 - April 04, 2011, 07:22 PM

    Berbs, I struggled to find any books that were not martial arts heavy. I have plenty of stuff on that. I have samurai maxims, sword treatises, illustrated martial arts books galore.

    I think the book you ought to pick up is Zen in the Art of Archery: Training the Mind and Body to Become One, by Eugen Herrigel (Which inspired the title for the popular Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, another good read). An insight into the practice of Zen, the experience of training, more anecdotal, etc. This might be a better start rather than going straight into the raw texts. It’s a fascinating book even if you’ve only got passing curiosity towards Zen. Also, Zen Bow, Zen Arrow: The Life and Teachings of Awa Kenzo. Awa Kenzo is the Zen master under which Eugen Herrigel trained. it’s a great insight into his life and wisdom.

    Some more good ones:

    The Book of Five Rings
    , by Myamoto Musashi, a treatise from probably the greatest swordsman who ever lived, which is a classic recommendation, but not exactly light reading.

    Zen Mind, Beginner's Mind, by Shunryu Suzuki, informal talks on Zen meditation and practice.

    Hagakure - Book of the Samurai
    , by Yamamoto Tsunetomo. Does what is says in the title

    Mumonkan (The Gateless Gate), which is a 13th century collection of koans.

    Here’s a list of some general books on Zen, but I’ve not read half of them: Link

    Straight Buddhism is a bit easier to recommend. First you should get some understanding of the foundational teaching: The Four Noble Truths and The Eight Fold Path. You can read about those on any decent online resource or introductory book. Then, it’s The Discourses of the Buddha, which you can get in short, medium or long form. The Gospel of Buddha, by Paul Carus is quite a popular book too, one of the ones that made Buddhism so attractive to a Western audience.

    Some decent online resources:

    Zenguide

    Zen Virtual Library

    Buddhism Virtual Library

    Open Directory Zen

    Hinduwebsite (decent resource for all kinds of  Oriental or Asian texts

    You could look up writings by Morihei Ueshiba, the founder of Aikido. An inspiring man. I’m not sure where to begin recommending him though. Most of the books I have with his words in are in Aikido books, mostly illustrated, focusing on combat technique, which are pretty useless unless you’re practicing. You could look up The Art of Peace, which is a short collection of some of his quotes to give you an idea of the essence of Aikido. Or even more briefly, Aikido in essence is:

    “In order to practice Aikido properly, you must not forget that all things originate from One Source; envelop yourself with love, and embrace sincerity. A technique that is based only on physical force is weak; a technique based on spiritual power is strong.

    The practice of Aikido is an act of faith, a belief in the power of non-violence. It is not a type of rigid discipline or empty asceticism. It is a path that follows the principles of nature, principles that must apply to daily living. Aikido should be practiced from the time you rise to greet the morning to the time you retire at night.

    Aikido is good for the health. It helps you manifest your inner and outer beauty. It fosters good manners and proper deportment. Aikido teaches you how to respect others, and how not to behave in a rude manner. It is not easy to live up to the ideals of Aikido but we must do so at all cost - otherwise our training is in vain.”

    ~ Morihei Ueshiba

    I’d recommend a few more, but I’m not actually all that clued up about it. I’m still picking it up myself. Plus, researching it is half the fun in my opinion. Maybe some others here have some good recommendations. I’d deffo like to hear about them too.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: The ex-muslim super ego, do you haz it?
     Reply #67 - April 04, 2011, 09:12 PM

    Thanks for the links and the recommendations.  I'm going to go through them over the next few days...................once I edit somebody elses essay and then write mine.  (I'm going to charge the next person who asks me to edit their essay for them, I swear)

    But anyway, thanks again.   Smiley

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: The ex-muslim super ego, do you haz it?
     Reply #68 - April 05, 2011, 08:48 AM

    Quote
    The actual processes of self-diagnosis are the stuff you need, not sympathy or pretty words. How to purify your mind, how to refine and improve your mental attitude and actions, encourage positive self-development, inspire and hold onto a positive mental attitude. How to cleanse yourself of self-affliction. Because that’s what it is: self-affliction.


    I agree and I think it's a process that anyone has to go through; formerly religious, currently religious or never religious. I think what you're referring to in terms of superego and still feeling like you're doing something wrong is very real and happens to many people.. My supervisor at Cambridge does research after the difference between 'head' and 'heart' knowledge of god and religious premises. Basically, it means that in your head you may believe what you think you should believe or what you want to believe (e.g. for a religious person: god is great, e.g. in our case: there is no god or heaven&hell), but your heart knowledge can say something else. They find that on a heart level, religious people are often much less positive about god and more afraid of him then they THINK they are. And ex-believers often remain emotionally afraid of and angry of god at a heart level, even when at a head level they have resolved many of these issues..
  • Re: The ex-muslim super ego, do you haz it?
     Reply #69 - April 05, 2011, 12:59 PM

    ^ Hmm..  Interesting.  I like the ‘head and heart’ way of looking at it.  It makes sense (except that I personally don’t think even my heart feels there is a God anymore).
    What I will say is that when I was a Muslim, my head thought Shariah punishments were right because they were Islamic, and everything Islamic was right.  But my heart felt something was not right.  Shariah punishments seemed barbaric, I felt secretly.

    Also, now that I’m a liberal, my head tells me that freedom of speech is too important and hate speech laws are wrong, but my heart tells me that we need to teach these preachers of hate a lesson by showing them who is boss and deporting them if possible.

    "Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so." -- Bertrand Russell

    Baloney Detection Kit
  • Re: The ex-muslim super ego, do you haz it?
     Reply #70 - April 06, 2011, 11:01 AM

    Yes it does work on many levels.. I think it resonates the idea of  Freud's id, ego and superego, but it is more subtle and in my view more realistic. It doesn't demand a constant choice of the ego, but these (often quite different) ways of knowing something can exist side by side. It only becomes uncomfortable once someone is made conscious of the contradiction that lives in them. And I so agree with you on the last point, I have the exact same thing. Freedom of speech should always prevail, but why can't people just suck it up and treat it with the dignity it deserves?

     
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