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Reply #60 - August 15, 2011, 09:29 PM

ExmuslimNfree... may I ask how you heard about CEMB? did you google it or find
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Reply #61 - August 15, 2011, 09:30 PM

And I just want to say ExmuslimNfree that although I strongly disagree with your conclusions, I do kinda "get it" on a gut level-- Muslims keep doing stupid and nasty bullshit and you're fed up with them-- it's tempting to want to write them all off as scum, and I feel the same way (except not just about Muslims, about Christians as well)-- problem is that ends up hurting innocent people who don't deserve it.

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Reply #62 - August 15, 2011, 09:31 PM

I just don't buy it that most muslims are peaceful that's all... im entitled to that opinion

if i see evidence of that then i will change my mind...

just look at what happened to that imam who just suggested that adam and eve had ancestors... immediate death threats...

i am backing up my belief with examples, you guys are just asking me to believe...?

i admire hassans ability to give every muslim the benefit of the doubt but i have seen too many muslims as not being as peaceful as you would like me to believe...

Quote from: Jinn and Tonic on August 15, 2011, 09:29 PM
ExmuslimNfree... may I ask how you heard about CEMB? did you google it or find
it on youtube? How long have you been an ex muslim?

The user isLAME told me about it and i been ex-muslim for about 1.5 to 2 years

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Reply #63 - August 15, 2011, 09:33 PM

and even the most peaceful muslim makes their child go through mental abuse... which is an evil thing

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Reply #64 - August 15, 2011, 09:34 PM

i know i wasn't a peaceful muslim when i was one... i even at one point was the al-qaeda type... i've seen how pervasive these non-peaceful elements are...

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Reply #65 - August 15, 2011, 09:37 PM

Hey ExMuslimNFree, sorry for the very late welcome, I see you have moved over to CEMB from youtube.. Did I ever thank you for subbing me? I'm sure I did but I'll say it again anyhow.

Good choice mate, hope you soon make this place full of your wonderful videos too.
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Reply #66 - August 15, 2011, 09:39 PM

Quote from: ExmuslimNfree on August 15, 2011, 09:31 PM
just look at what happened to that imam who just suggested that adam and eve had ancestors... immediate death threats...

You're talking about Usama Hasan - right? And you talk about evidence. I knew his father Sohaib Hasan well - he's on the Sharia'h Tribunal and used to come to Islamia School sometimes. He is a narrow-minded Salafi. Most Muslims at Islamia School hated him and his Salafi views. His son was like him for a long time - hard-line Salafi and was Imam for about 15 years at a Mosque with a large Salafi gathering. He suddenly realised evolution was true and tried to tell all his Salafi hard-line congregation and was shouted down and made to apologise.

Had he not been part of what is a minority sect in the UK and not been trying to preach to Salafi idiots - he would not have been treated so badly.

I know a lot of Muslims who accept evolution - at least in a limited form - as I did when I was a Muslim - and wouldn't have acted like those idiots did.

Again - making generalisations about one incident. You talk about evidence - you don't seem to know Muslims that well - either that or live amongst a particularly narrow-minded bunch.
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Reply #67 - August 15, 2011, 09:46 PM

How old are you btw? Do you live in a Muslim country or a Non-Muslim one?
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Reply #68 - August 15, 2011, 09:49 PM

okay, ExmuslimNfree more questions lol. But only cuz im interested, as I am sure
many here are...

what was it that was the turning point for you, to come to the conclusion that
Islam is a lie? Was there a particular hadith or surah/surat/ayat that made
you start questioning? Or had you been questioning Islam all your life?

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Reply #69 - August 15, 2011, 09:52 PM

Quote from: ExmuslimNfree on August 15, 2011, 09:31 PM
I just don't buy it that most muslims are peaceful that's all... im entitled to that opinion

You may be entitled to the opinion, you are not entitled to not have it challenged.

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if i see evidence of that then i will change my mind...

This is patently irrational. You demand evidence before agreeing to drop a hypothesis which itself is based upon flimsy and methodologically unsound evidence. My guess is I could give you the same kind of "evidence" you've given us and you'd reject it out of hand.

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i am backing up my belief with examples, you guys are just asking me to believe...?

1. Examples do not equal methodologically-compelling evidence. Your conclusion is not adequately supported by the evidence provided. I could make the claim that most Black people smoke crack then cite numerous news reports as well as personal examples to back up my claim and it would still be bullshit-- this is essentially what you are doing here.

2. I, for one, am not asking you to believe anything, merely asking you to withhold judgement of over a billion people considering the fact you don't have much compelling and methodologically-sound evidence to support it.

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Reply #70 - August 15, 2011, 09:54 PM

I'm gonna back off now exmuslimnfree and give you the benefit of the doubt. I quite liked the vids I saw - a couple of things perhaps concerned me - but you also made some excellent points that would make Muslims think.

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Reply #71 - August 15, 2011, 10:08 PM

Quote from: Zaiba on August 15, 2011, 09:37 PM
Good choice mate, hope you soon make this place full of your wonderful videos too.

Hehe thanks

glad you liked them... feel free to suggest improvements or weakness in my arguments so i can then polish them more

Quote from: Hassan on August 15, 2011, 09:39 PM
You're talking about Usama Hasan - right? And you talk about evidence. I knew his father Sohaib Hasan well - he's on the Sharia'h Tribunal and used to come to Islamia School sometimes. He is a narrow-minded Salafi. Most Muslims at Islamia School hated him and his Salafi views. His son was like him for a long time - hard-line Salafi and was Imam for about 15 years at a Mosque with a large Salafi gathering. He suddenly realised evolution was true and tried to tell all his Salafi hard-line congregation and was shouted down and made to apologise.

Okay I have found a better way to express my opinion because I think using the word Muslim is whats causing this confusion. What I am trying to say is that yes, there are many peaceful muslims, but there are too many salafis and wahabis and even regular sunnis who would be totally okay if stonnings and amputations were implemented as long as they didn't have to do it...

and above all, most muslims would love to get rid of ex-muslims... even if that's a generalization, that doesnt make it false

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How old are you btw? Do you live in a Muslim country or a Non-Muslim one?

Ask saif plz. Im very paranoid about having my location disclosed over the internet

@Racoon Rapist: When was the last time you saw a world wide protest of Muslims against extremists?

Last world wide muslim protest seems to have been over cartoons...

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Reply #72 - August 15, 2011, 10:13 PM

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Ask saif plz. Im very paranoid about having my location disclosed over the internet

see there? LOL a common kaffir trait lol (for good reasons, too!)

OH!! and heres a little welcome jinn for ya

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Reply #73 - August 15, 2011, 10:15 PM

how do u get that jinn!! that's awsome lol

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Reply #74 - August 15, 2011, 10:23 PM

lol... cuz i AM a jinn! LMAO j/k

click on the [more] option where all the emoticons are when you are typing in
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Reply #75 - August 15, 2011, 10:29 PM

hahahahaha

they got loads!!!

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Reply #76 - August 15, 2011, 10:30 PM

Quote from: ExmuslimNfree on August 15, 2011, 10:29 PM
hahahahaha

they got loads!!!

lol... yeah that's a good one.
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Reply #77 - August 15, 2011, 10:31 PM

Really, ExmuslimNfree? No response to my pointing out the logical and empirical shortcomings in your analysis? Or just content to pretend they don't exist-- like a Muslim?

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Reply #78 - August 15, 2011, 10:48 PM

Quote from: Hassan on August 15, 2011, 10:30 PM
lol... yeah that's a good one.

I truly am wondering if the penguin thought "Shit, didn't mean to do that" :p

@Racoon Rapist:-

I'm not ignoring... Its just tht you asked me to prove the obvious bro... here's my empirical evidence if u so desire

"For almost 1,400 years, the punishment for apostasy has been death. Only recently has this been challenged, mainly by Islamic apologists in the West. A Pew poll released on December 2, 2010, found that even today “The majority of Muslims would favor changing current laws in their countries to “allow stoning as punishment for adultery, hand amputation for theft, and death for those who convert from Islam as their religion”.[16][17][18]

To give you an idea of the kind of figures we're dealing with, we'll use Pakistan as an example; the 2010 poll found that 76% of Pakistanis agree apostates are to be killed. In a country with a population of 172,800,000[19] (96% of whom are Muslim)[20] that would be 126,074,880 individuals in a single country. Conversely only a mere 13% of Muslims opposed killing apostates. If we are to assume the politically-correct position that, Muslims who espouse such views are extremists who misunderstand the 'peaceful' teachings of Islam, then we must also concede the fact that the majority of Muslims in the world are extremists. They are not simply a 'fringe group'. "

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Reply #79 - August 15, 2011, 10:50 PM

http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/

Muslims favoring hamas hezbolla and al-qaeda

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Reply #80 - August 15, 2011, 11:12 PM

Quote from: ExmuslimNfree on August 15, 2011, 10:48 PM
@Racoon Rapist:-

I'm not ignoring... Its just tht you asked me to prove the obvious bro...

It's obvious to you, "bro", and not necessarily anyone else here.

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here's my empirical evidence if u so desire

"For almost 1,400 years, the punishment for apostasy has been death. Only recently has this been challenged, mainly by Islamic apologists in the West. A Pew poll released on December 2, 2010, found that even today “The majority of Muslims would favor changing current laws in their countries to “allow stoning as punishment for adultery, hand amputation for theft, and death for those who convert from Islam as their religion”.[16][17][18]

To give you an idea of the kind of figures we're dealing with, we'll use Pakistan as an example; the 2010 poll found that 76% of Pakistanis agree apostates are to be killed. In a country with a population of 172,800,000[19] (96% of whom are Muslim)[20] that would be 126,074,880 individuals in a single country. Conversely only a mere 13% of Muslims opposed killing apostates. If we are to assume the politically-correct position that, Muslims who espouse such views are extremists who misunderstand the 'peaceful' teachings of Islam, then we must also concede the fact that the majority of Muslims in the world are extremists. They are not simply a 'fringe group'. "

from wikipedia

Link to sources cited in the Wikipedia article or just link me to the Wikipedia article itself and I'll look it up.

Quote from: ExmuslimNfree on August 15, 2011, 10:50 PM
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/

Muslims favoring hamas hezbolla and al-qaeda

1. In none of those countries does Al-Qaeda get majority support

2. There is secular support for Hizbollah and Hamas as well as they are seen to be legitimate resistance organizations against military occupation by many people. Hizbollah and Hamas are supported by some secular organizations both inside and outside the Middle East and Hizbollah even has support from one wing of the Phalange (the Lebanese Christian militia/political party). So since support for these organizations does not necessarily denote support for their Islamist ideologies, this is not conclusive evidence of anything you claim.

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Reply #81 - August 15, 2011, 11:16 PM

Welcome ExMuslimNfree my brother in humanity. Hasan & Racoon do promulgate much wisdom & I agree with much of what they have said. An emotional hatred or discrimination of muslims as a people is not healthy as the majority are peaceful, decent human beings & it is not their fault they follow something which is largely archaic, 7th century nonsense as many have been indoctrinated from a very young age.
You seem to be at war with muslims themselves rather than at war with Islam itself & Allah. That is not the correct strategy to take imo.
Although I understand you not wanting to disclose your exact location, I'm curious as to what country you reside? Are you a Pakistani, based in Pakistan. Feel free not to answer of course.
Im from England by the way with parents of Pakistani/Kashmiri origin.

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Reply #82 - August 16, 2011, 12:21 AM

Quote from: Raccoon Rapist on August 15, 2011, 11:12 PM
Link to sources cited in the Wikipedia article or just link me to the Wikipedia article itself and I'll look it up.

http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Islam_and_Apostasy#Majority_of_Today.27s_Muslims_favor_Death_for_Apostates

Quote from: Raccoon Rapist on August 15, 2011, 11:12 PM
1. In none of those countries does Al-Qaeda get majority support

2. There is secular support for Hizbollah and Hamas as well as they are seen to be legitimate resistance organizations against military occupation by many people. Hizbollah and Hamas are supported by some secular organizations both inside and outside the Middle East and Hizbollah even has support from one wing of the Phalange (the Lebanese Christian militia/political party). So since support for these organizations does not necessarily denote support for their Islamist ideologies, this is not conclusive evidence of anything you claim.

Agreed. But the "minority of extremists" is not as small as people are claiming to be. Furthermore i'm sure you didn't check the bit about islam playing role in politics. Majority (>70% up to 98%) agree islam should have serious roles in politics and since the real islam is extreme.. well..

So you see, the picture is not as rosey as for some reason people are trying to portray it to be..

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Reply #83 - August 16, 2011, 12:21 AM

not to mention saudi arabia was not included in any of the polls...

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Reply #84 - August 16, 2011, 12:24 AM

Quote from: Homo Sapien on August 15, 2011, 11:16 PM
Welcome ExMuslimNfree my brother in humanity. Hasan & Racoon do promulgate much wisdom & I agree with much of what they have said. An emotional hatred or discrimination of muslims as a people is not healthy as the majority are peaceful, decent human beings & it is not their fault they follow something which is largely archaic, 7th century nonsense as many have been indoctrinated from a very young age.
You seem to be at war with muslims themselves rather than at war with Islam itself & Allah. That is not the correct strategy to take imo.

Hello fellow mammal friend

i do not hate muslims, except the fundamentalists who are beyond help... i feel sorry for them for the same reason you put, that they are not at fault for having been conned by this 7th century liar...

My ethnicity is pakistani/indian but my location is unknown XD

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