100,000 women in UK subject to FGM

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Re: 100,000 women in UK subject to FGM
Reply #30 - April 24, 2012, 08:22 PM

Quote from: Colonel Q-Daffi on April 24, 2012, 06:27 PM
Man fuck all that noise. I like my circumcised penis. I like not having to worry about dick cheese and that my limp dick don't look like a trumpet.

Meh. The fear of dick cheese is overrated (normal hygiene easily prevents it), and appearances are subjective. I'm glad you like it though. Lucky, as you didn't have a choice in the matter.

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Re: 100,000 women in UK subject to FGM
Reply #31 - April 25, 2012, 01:39 AM

Quote from: Luthiel on April 24, 2012, 08:22 PM
The fear of dick cheese is overrated

I don't fear dick cheese. Dick cheese fears me!

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(normal hygiene easily prevents it),

I don't wanna have to soap up the inside of my foreskin-- ewwww.

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and appearances are subjective.

Yeah, well, I have yet to meet someone who actually prefers the look of an uncut penis.

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I'm glad you like it though. Lucky, as you didn't have a choice in the matter.

Damn skippy. Glad it was done neonatally. Would rather not do it now.

And I'll tell you something else I don't have a choice in now-- the increased prevalence of uncut porn stars nowadays. Man, I don't wanna see that flappy-skinned cock, as you push forward your wrinkly-ass foreskin over the head of your cock to get the last drop of cum on some chick's face-- that's fuckin nasty, man. I'd watch 80s porn exclusively so I didn't have to see that but then I'd have to look at chicks with big, ugly hairdos, which is also a major turnoff.

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Reply #32 - April 25, 2012, 01:45 AM

Didn't we all just have this conversation?

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Reply #33 - April 25, 2012, 01:51 AM

I don't care what you say, foreskin is gross-- off with its head!

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Re: 100,000 women in UK subject to FGM
Reply #34 - April 25, 2012, 02:20 AM

Quote from: Colonel Q-Daffi on April 25, 2012, 01:39 AM
Yeah, well, I have yet to meet someone who actually prefers the look of an uncut penis.

That's an unfortunate side effect of the prevalence of circumcision. If only women realized the foreskin is like a ribbed condom. Without the condom.

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And I'll tell you something else I don't have a choice in now-- the increased prevalence of uncut porn stars nowadays. Man, I don't wanna see that flappy-skinned cock, as you push forward your wrinkly-ass foreskin over the head of your cock to get the last drop of cum on some chick's face-- that's fuckin nasty, man.

As I understand it, most heterosexual men find other men's dicks to be nasty, cut or not.

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Reply #35 - April 25, 2012, 02:21 AM

Quote from: allat on April 25, 2012, 01:45 AM
Didn't we all just have this conversation?

I guess I missed that thread. Too bad.

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Re: 100,000 women in UK subject to FGM
Reply #36 - April 25, 2012, 10:13 AM

You just have to clean the area with hot water, soap would be a bad thing, much like in females. I never wash the front part of my privates with any soap, that is reserved for the back. Soap destroys the pH down there and encourages the growth of bad bacteria and fungus. The looks thing is completely crap as well, if that matters so much the other party is not worth it. This needs education, enforced checks for all ethnic minorities who practice this stuff and to be quite frank a lack of PCness, if you suspect something it has to be said there and then.
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Reply #37 - April 25, 2012, 12:18 PM

Quote from: Luthiel on April 23, 2012, 04:38 PM
The incidence rate in the UK may plummet, but not overall. Families will just take their children somewhere else to get it done, very likely with much higher health risk.

You know, I'm generally pretty libertarian when it comes to social issues, but this is one of those things I think we should have a zero tolerance policy for. Maiming a girl for life, a girl who cannot even consent, is just pure evil and if the government doesn't want to interfere in protecting a basic right just a integrity of body, what can it interfere in? The barbarians have won.

You wouldn't want murder legalized just because it's going to be less painful while legal right?

We need to send a clear message that this will not be tolerated and oh by the way, it is illegal to do FGM, even if you leave the country to do it elsewhere. Now you guys just need to figure out a way to secure some convictions cause UK is doing pretty bad at this with no conviction yet.

Perhaps regular medical check up on minors (with parents being prosecuted regardless of who actually does the FGM - since it is ultimately their responsibility, even if the girl doesn't testify against them) and educating young girls about the consequences of FGM because a lot of them have no idea what they're getting into.
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Reply #38 - April 25, 2012, 04:00 PM

Quote from: DogmasDemise on April 25, 2012, 12:18 PM
Maiming a girl for life

Once again, I'm talking about a version of female circumcision that is equivalent to male circumcision. If you still think it's pure evil, then you should be against circumcision for both sexes.

I am, if that's not clear, and if criminalizing it were effective then I'd be all for it. But as you say,
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UK is doing pretty bad at this with no conviction yet.

And even if they were doing well, it would just encourage more parents to seek the procedure elsewhere.

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Perhaps regular medical check up on minors (with parents being prosecuted regardless of who actually does the FGM - since it is ultimately their responsibility, even if the girl doesn't testify against them)

Prosecute the parents, sure, but that won't make a dent. It's the practitioners that need to be taken down.

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and educating young girls about the consequences of FGM because a lot of them have no idea what they're getting into.

Educating the victims is useless. You make it sound like girls are willingly choosing to do it. Educating the parents may be of some help, but in the case of female circumcision the religious motivation is so strong that I don't think it would be very effective.

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Reply #39 - April 25, 2012, 05:13 PM

Quote from: Colonel Q-Daffi on April 23, 2012, 05:39 PM
I'm presuming enforcement isn't aggressive enough or at all. In any event, consequences not withstanding, there are many things the state should legalize, the willful violation of other people's rights should not be among them. Maiming and abusing kids should never be legal, I don't care what the broader health and safety consequences are.

Spot on.

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Reply #40 - June 09, 2012, 05:08 PM

Can you not, by this thinking, make the same argument for slavery? Make it available via government or state-sponsored institution or bodies, and then we can 'regulate the industry' and make it as safe as possible for slaves to operate in a non-violent environment, thus reducing the influence of 'bad' slave-owners?

Maybe simpistic but still a point.

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Re: 100,000 women in UK subject to FGM
Reply #41 - June 20, 2012, 08:35 PM

I remember hearing about one group of people making a compromise on the FGM issue by pricking the clitoris instead of cutting anything away. Even in that scenario, I'm completely against the whole concept, male or female, it's always mutilation. It doesn't matter what they're doing to these kids, no one should be allowed to harm a child because of their religious inclinations. It's incredibly cruel. There's a hazy line with what parents should be allowed to do to their kids and while I can sometimes sympathize with religious concerns, anything that hurts or harms child is simply criminal.

The justifications hurled at us for these things are nothing short of insane, but I think a seemingly straight dude complaining about the aesthetics of another a dude's penis takes the cake for me.

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Reply #42 - June 20, 2012, 08:40 PM

Quote from: PureInertia on June 20, 2012, 08:35 PM
I remember hearing about one group of people making a compromise on the FGM issue by pricking the clitoris instead of cutting anything away. Even in that scenario, I'm completely against the whole concept, male or female, it's always mutilation. It doesn't matter what they're doing to these kids, no one should be allowed to harm a child because of their religious inclinations. It's incredibly cruel. There's a hazy line with what parents should be allowed to do to their kids and while I can sometimes sympathize with religious concerns, anything that hurts or harm's a child is simply criminal.

The justifications hurled at us for these things are nothing short of insane, but I think a seemingly straight dude complaining about the aesthetics of another a dude's penis takes the cake for me.

Damn you write good PureInertia., you should look for directing a movie..

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anything that hurts or harm's a child is simply criminal.

yap kid is crying for cadbury chocolate., if you don't buy it, you harm child............. just kidding . i am very glad to read your blog and posts.. PureInertia

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Reply #43 - June 20, 2012, 08:53 PM

Thanks Yeezevee. I suppose no generalisation is true, including this one.

There may be times when harming a child isn't criminal, but I don't see why those times should differ in anyway from the times where harming an adult wouldn't be criminal. That said, it's very important to separate the concept of mental and physical harm.

Hah, perhaps children that are unhappy about their circumcision should be able to sue their parents once they've grown up and made up their minds about it.

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Reply #44 - June 20, 2012, 09:09 PM

Quote from: PureInertia on June 20, 2012, 08:53 PM
...That said, it's very important to separate the concept of mental and physical harm.

Hah, perhaps children that are unhappy about their circumcision should be able to sue their parents once they've grown up and made up their minds about it.

I am not sure about parents because they get that circumcision ritual from their ancestors. I think the kid should sue whole lot of Mullahs of Islam and even rabbis of Judaism that propagate this horrible rubbish ritual on kids..

I went through that subject of FGM in detail at FGM_ffi1 and FGM_ffi2

I think all these rituals in Islam are absolute nonsense and I believe Early Islamic Muhammad was nothing but bogus cock and bull story. These early Muslim fools wrote stories on Multiple Muhammad characters that turned in to single Muhammad in 7th or 8th century..

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