Religiousity these days

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Re: Religiousity these days
Reply #30 - October 20, 2009, 08:23 PM

Hassan, is there time to climb this mountain, among many people, there is a growing sense of fear, coupled with anger.
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Reply #31 - October 20, 2009, 08:49 PM

Quote from: arthur on October 20, 2009, 08:23 PM
Hassan, is there time to climb this mountain, among many people, there is a growing sense of fear, coupled with anger.
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This is why I see such a gulf between the way you/EDL see things and the way I see things.

For me there is a world of difference between the average Muslim who is traditional in his beliefs and extremist Muslims.

It is only extremists that pose a threat and they comprise a tiny minority.

While I would love to see all Muslims modernise and reform Islam - I certainly don't consider the vast majority of Muslims a threat or a danger to this country if they don't.

The EDL really worry me, because they appear to want to rid the UK of Islam and Muslims in general. Certainly your tactics give that impression. I cannot see EDL demos will achieve anything other than stir up race/religious strife - increaseing hatred, fear and mistrust.
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Reply #32 - October 21, 2009, 08:07 AM

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Yes there have been (and are) movements that sought to contextualise Islam as well as movements that give greater scope for interpretation according to the time/place (such as by a Sufi master or by a leader who is believed to be invested with 'special' authority - such as some Shi'ahs and your own sect of Alawites - or even many modernists Sheikhs, of which there are a growing number.)

But such movements have always been the minority and have yet to challenge and defeat mainstream Islam which remains largely traditionalist and literalist.

I'm not saying Islam cannot change, or reform etc... Only that it's going to be a quite a mountain to climb for most.

I don't see a global reform but I can see the possibility of a a uniquely UK Islam if the UK authorities get involved along with the UK university religious studies departments. If there is a UK Islam then immigrants will know that this is Islam as practiced in the UK and you either integrate or don't immigrate. Malaysia and Indonesia have done that to unhook itself from the middle east and all the baggage that comes with it - and now there is a uniquely Indonesian and Malaysian interpretation.

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Reply #33 - October 21, 2009, 02:25 PM

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Malaysia and Indonesia have done that to unhook itself from the middle east and all the baggage that comes with it - and now there is a uniquely Indonesian and Malaysian interpretation.

Malaysian Islam seems to be quite chauvinistic these days.

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Reply #34 - October 21, 2009, 02:43 PM

Quote from: billy on October 21, 2009, 02:25 PM
Malaysian Islam seems to be quite chauvinistic these days.

True, and they have their own set of problems; like their racist policies against non-Malays and their punishment of apostates (imprisonment).

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Reply #35 - October 23, 2009, 09:19 AM

Malaysian Muslims now seem to be really affected by mosques and religious material mass produced in places like Saudi Arabia, UAE, and Kuwait. A massive amount of these people are often seen in such Arab countries and what they learn there, they take it back to their homelands and establish such centres there getting direct Saudi funding.

You will see Malaysia losing its once celebrated quasi-secular mindset and become more restrictive and reactionary as the years go, same with Indonesia as well.

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Reply #36 - October 23, 2009, 09:44 PM

Quote from: Omaar Khayaam on October 15, 2009, 10:10 PM
I started to become religious around 1987 when I was thirteen. Up until then the only muslims I'd really come across were the mullah's marching the streets during milad or the half mast garden gnomes (deo's). It was the first time I joined Young Muslims. This lasted till I was nineteen. There had been a steady increase in religiousity rising sharply during the Rushdie affair.

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Reply #37 - October 23, 2009, 09:51 PM

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