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  • Re: Is science a religion?
     Reply #60 - October 06, 2010, 03:41 AM

    Religion : the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power , especially a personal God or gods

    It's only a religion in the following sense: a pursuit or interest followed with great devotion

    But that's a play on the meaning of the word so the answer is "No."  Science is something is no more a religion than football, except probably not as popular.


     Afro spot on!
  • Re: Is science a religion?
     Reply #61 - October 11, 2010, 07:57 PM

    @Lynna
    You look very spiritual, i am feeling generous today so lets say i give u the "god exsist" notion.
    Now can u pls give me "how would u link that to islam , christianity , judaism and other religions?"
    and while you are at it pls define that god of your's (characters would be great) and how u came to guess them?

    P.S: Lets be all philosophical, agreed?

    And science never said it was devoid of mistakes another great difference between science and religion.
    Cause as we know religion is always right cant be wrong nuhh ahh.


    Sorry for not getting back to this one for awhile. I actually haven't been on line since writing the post you are replying to.

    So for the sake of this conversation you are giving me the "god exists" notion? Okay. Well, thanks.

    So your big question is:
    Now can u pls give me "how would u link that to islam , christianity , judaism and other religions?"


    Kind of vague as questions go. Same god as other religions? General answer "no".  More detailed answer of those in pursuit of accurrate knowledge of a true God, people who having conflicting ideas/information about something that is supposed the same thing can not both have the same thing. So for me it is most easily started with other religions that have a non monotheistic god, that includes trinities, those are not the God I strive to maintain a relationship with. That leaves Islam and Judaism. Islam as far as I have come to understand it is full of the traditions of mankind and does little or nothing to expand on God or God's dealing with mankind outside of those traditions. Judaism (leading up to it and at a time) from Adam until the Law was fulfilled, was used by God to reveal his purpose, dispite the doings of imperfect mankind.

    and while you are at it pls define that god of your's (characters would be great) and how u came to guess them?


    Have You ever read the Bible? That would be the best definition. However I'm guessing you are looking for in brief since this would be a rather stupid place to quote the whole Bible.

    Psalms 83:18 That people may know that you, whose name is Jehovah,
    You alone are the Most High over all the earth.

    When a book that makes no claim to being a science book is accurrate about a science fact approximate 2700 years before mankind knows that fact.

    Isaiah 40:21 Do YOU people not know? Do YOU not hear? Has it not been told to YOU from the outset? Have YOU not applied understanding from the foundations of the earth? 22 There is One who is dwelling above the circle of the earth, the dwellers in which are as grasshoppers, the One who is stretching out the heavens just as a fine gauze, who spreads them out like a tent in which to dwell, 23 the One who is reducing high officials to nothing, who has made the very judges of the earth as a mere unreality.

    Prophecy being fufilled.

    Daniel 2:36 “This is the dream, and its interpretation we shall say before the king. 37 You, O king, the king of kings, you to whom the God of heaven has given the kingdom, the might, and the strength and the dignity, 38 and into whose hand he has given, wherever the sons of mankind are dwelling, the beasts of the field and the winged creatures of the heavens, and whom he has made ruler over all of them, you yourself are the head of gold.

    39 “And after you there will rise another kingdom inferior to you; and another kingdom, a third one, of copper, that will rule over the whole earth.

    40 “And as for the fourth kingdom, it will prove to be strong like iron. Forasmuch as iron is crushing and grinding everything else, so, like iron that shatters, it will crush and shatter even all these.

    41 “And whereas you beheld the feet and the toes to be partly of molded clay of a potter and partly of iron, the kingdom itself will prove to be divided, but somewhat of the hardness of iron will prove to be in it, forasmuch as you beheld the iron mixed with moist clay. 42 And as for the toes of the feet being partly of iron and partly of molded clay, the kingdom will partly prove to be strong and will partly prove to be fragile. 43 Whereas you beheld iron mixed with moist clay, they will come to be mixed with the offspring of mankind; but they will not prove to be sticking together, this one to that one, just as iron is not mixing with molded clay.

    44 “And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite; 45 forasmuch as you beheld that out of the mountain a stone was cut not by hands, and [that] it crushed the iron, the copper, the molded clay, the silver and the gold. The grand God himself has made known to the king what is to occur after this. And the dream is reliable, and the interpretation of it is trustworthy.”

    Cause as we know religion is always right cant be wrong nuhh ahh.


    Do you know religion is always right? Humm... I've never thought of that as a universal truth.  Thing is we can look all through history and see all kinds of things that religion has been very, very wrong about. In fact most of the wars in the modern history of mankind have been fought in the name of religion, with religious clergy of the same religion blessing troops of opposite sides of the battle.  No doubt in my mind this is WRONG.  In fact the Bible says it is wrong (John 18:36).  There has been and continues to be be some of the most obnoxious sexual crimes committed and covered up by religious clergy. the Bible says this is wrong (1 Cor 6:18)

    People can be wrong. They can lack understanding or be over zealous and over hopeful.  People can even be outright self centered and deceptive.

    God is the one that is never wrong.

    Tius 1:1 Paul, a slave of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ according to the faith of God’s chosen ones and the accurate knowledge of the truth which accords with godly devotion 2 upon the basis of a hope of the everlasting life which God, who cannot lie, promised before times long lasting, 3 whereas in his own due times he made his word manifest in the preaching with which I was entrusted, under command of our Savior, God; 4 to Titus, a genuine child according to a faith shared in common

    I don't know if I'm all that good at "all philosophical", but perhaps I have had some success or maybe you will just be generous again.


    If at first you succeed...try something harder.

    Failing isn't falling down. Failing is not getting back up again.
  • Re: Is science a religion?
     Reply #62 - October 11, 2010, 08:32 PM

    Have You ever read the Bible? That would be the best definition. However I'm guessing you are looking for in brief since this would be a rather stupid place to quote the whole Bible.


    Would you say Dawkins description of the Biblical God as "a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filiacidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadamasochistic, capriciously benevolent bully" was a decent brief description?

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Is science a religion?
     Reply #63 - October 11, 2010, 09:45 PM

    Ishina:  Afro

    Is your grammar defective? Just askin'.


    "The wound is the place where the Light enters you." - Rumi

  • Re: Is science a religion?
     Reply #64 - October 12, 2010, 12:52 AM

    Wait , OMG OMG the bible says all that.
    Quote
    In fact the Bible says it is wrong (John 18:36).

    Quote
    People can be wrong.

    Quote
    God is the one that is never wrong


    Mmmm so the Bible is wrong by its own verdict, But god isn't.
    So How come its the word of god? Cause it says so? OK i am God Have faith in me ( I just claimed that) If u don't u will go to hell now Believe, I AM TALKING TO YOU VIA THIS FORUM A DIRECT MSG FROM ME, U ARE MY APPOINTED PROPHET !!

    I fail to understand, How u are linking the bible to God, so does the bible do miracles (Supernatural stuff)?
    Why not spiritual Graphics to convey the MSG, why a book?

    Whats your proof its from god?
    If the only proof u have is "Because it says so", Then please don't waste our time.

    Confucius:
    "What you do not like done to yourself, do not unto others."
  • Re: Is science a religion?
     Reply #65 - October 12, 2010, 01:20 AM

    Would you say Dawkins description of the Biblical God as "a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filiacidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadamasochistic, capriciously benevolent bully" was a decent brief description?


    I would add schizophrenic, but I guess that falls under capricious

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
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  • Re: Is science a religion?
     Reply #66 - October 12, 2010, 01:55 AM

    I always wondered why people hate gays where it isn't exactly in the Bible. The Sodomites just tried to have sex with angels, but why characterize gays as evil?

    Is your grammar defective? Just askin'.


    "The wound is the place where the Light enters you." - Rumi

  • Re: Is science a religion?
     Reply #67 - October 12, 2010, 06:02 AM

    Science deals with the understanding of the creation of God as according to human capacity, without giving a damn about God, because God doesnt give the answers, and we have to do something about it.

    Please beware of Muslims claiming scientific miracles in the Quran.

    Allah the entity calling itself to be the creator of the as-of-yet-not-proved 7 heavens (which is perhaps not the case since thus far scientists have discovered much about this universe and posit an infinite numbers of universes possibly existing apart from ours, if there are any apart from ours "out there") and the [redundantly stating] earth [despite the earth being within the universe and not seperate] and supposedly much more than anyone else intelligent [within the as-of-yet-not-proved 7 heavens] being, persistent of its superiority being obvious and therefore insisting that veneration of it is mandatory, simply through sheer constant repetition of it being what it is simply because it is and vicious threats of the subsequent punishments thereof for not doing so, themselves which are supposedly to be fulfilled in a day according to it, which no one but itself knows. All in a conversational style that is primitive, annoying, confusing and obnoxious [essentially what you'd expect from a 7th century desert dune roaming Arab], which hardly makes a case for it to be taken seriously by anyone who is intelligent and reasonable through some pedophile asshole who apparently is its spokeperson, in short bursts, often during which the asshole would be struck by fits.

    And this we know of today because, apparently after the death of this asshole, whatever words he claimed were spoken to him from the entity were compiled randomnly by multiple eye witnesses who by sheer luck managed to hear from him, survive and get to the compilers to pass it on to them, in order for it to become in a book form as we know it today - somehow possesses "scientific miracles".

    When in congregation of mullahs, the muslimeen have in their hands a holy book full of science.

    When in science class, the muslimeen are miserable in their performance.

    There is no God but Allah, and this sentence makes alot of sense.

    Just like there is no Me but I.

    Creator of the heavens and earth indeed!
  • Re: Is science a religion?
     Reply #68 - October 12, 2010, 06:12 AM

    I always wondered why people hate gays where it isn't exactly in the Bible. The Sodomites just tried to have sex with angels, but why characterize gays as evil?


    Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
    ~ Leviticus 18:22

    If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
    ~ Leviticus 20:13

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Is science a religion?
     Reply #69 - October 12, 2010, 07:28 AM

    For those Muslims who deny the anti-homosexual verses in the Quran, they have plenty to explain away in the Bible too!

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  • Re: Is science a religion?
     Reply #70 - October 12, 2010, 12:07 PM

    Science is in no way a religion, because religion is based on authoritative stories, which you have to believe without a single clue of evidence. In both religions there are verses, who indicate, that blind belief without any proof or evidence is held as a VIRTUE!
    In science it is absolutely the opposite, there scientific scrutiny is taking place, which means, that believing without evidence, like the religions do, is impossible. If one makes a hypothesis one must prove it, then it might lead it to a scientific theory, which also can change, if evidence makes it obvious. Religions make predictions and make hypotheses they cannot prove. So why should we believe them?

    Let's all get along
  • Re: Is science a religion?
     Reply #71 - October 14, 2010, 09:50 PM

    Would you say Dawkins description of the Biblical God as "a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filiacidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadamasochistic, capriciously benevolent bully" was a decent brief description?


    Actually all of what I know of Dawkins description of the Biblical God is what you've posted here. So right off "No" I wont agree with that discription.  However I would be willing to know more about how he came to such an idea before discussing it.  Other people have come to such an idea but I have come to understand that some of them have not actually done by way of misunderstanding. Not based on what the Bible says about God but what some people have said the Bible says.  You have a link to more info?

    If at first you succeed...try something harder.

    Failing isn't falling down. Failing is not getting back up again.
  • Re: Is science a religion?
     Reply #72 - October 14, 2010, 10:02 PM

    You have a link to more info?


    Sure: LINK

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Is science a religion?
     Reply #73 - October 14, 2010, 10:13 PM

    Wait , OMG OMG the bible says all that.
    Mmmm so the Bible is wrong by its own verdict, But god isn't.
    So How come its the word of god? Cause it says so? OK i am God Have faith in me ( I just claimed that) If u don't u will go to hell now Believe, I AM TALKING TO YOU VIA THIS FORUM A DIRECT MSG FROM ME, U ARE MY APPOINTED PROPHET !!

    I fail to understand, How u are linking the bible to God, so does the bible do miracles (Supernatural stuff)?
    Why not spiritual Graphics to convey the MSG, why a book?

    Whats your proof its from god?
    If the only proof u have is "Because it says so", Then please don't waste our time.


    The Bible says it is currently wrong for religious clergy to bless troops for war it doesn't say the Bible it's self is wrong.

    It is kind of hard to have a conversation if you can not understand what I am saying and you make random points with out your supporting evidence.

    Okay you think:  "the Bible is wrong by its own verdict,"

    Can you tell me just one of the places you have read in the Bible that make you think that by it's own verdict it is wrong?

    If at first you succeed...try something harder.

    Failing isn't falling down. Failing is not getting back up again.
  • Re: Is science a religion?
     Reply #74 - October 14, 2010, 10:18 PM

    Sure: LINK


    Thank you Ishina. But I meant more info about Dawkins opinion your link only took me to a trans lation of the Bible I have very many of those.

    If at first you succeed...try something harder.

    Failing isn't falling down. Failing is not getting back up again.
  • Re: Is science a religion?
     Reply #75 - October 14, 2010, 10:24 PM

    It's a quote from his book, The God Delusion

    You were asked to describe the Biblical god. I thought that neat little description might be of use to you, since it describes the Biblical god in a nutshell.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Is science a religion?
     Reply #76 - October 14, 2010, 10:26 PM

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  • Re: Is science a religion?
     Reply #77 - October 14, 2010, 10:47 PM

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  • Re: Is science a religion?
     Reply #78 - October 14, 2010, 11:01 PM

    The Bible says it is currently wrong for religious clergy to bless troops for war it doesn't say the Bible it's self is wrong.

    It is kind of hard to have a conversation if you can not understand what I am saying and you make random points with out your supporting evidence.

    Okay you think:  "the Bible is wrong by its own verdict,"

    Can you tell me just one of the places you have read in the Bible that make you think that by it's own verdict it is wrong?


    I just get so confused sometimes,  I thought you were implying that it did, oh well.

    Confucius:
    "What you do not like done to yourself, do not unto others."
  • Re: Is science a religion?
     Reply #79 - October 14, 2010, 11:01 PM

    Ohhh Mount A Bison

    Some of your posts I've read in awe and rather blushed in the privacy of the cyber cafe at work as I have no computer in my home.

    The thought that you address me for such advise did indeed cause a smile to my lips and a giggle to escape as well.

    No slender young lady am I nor do I have any knowledge of fair and easy subjection to a husbandly owner.  Oh yes I do well know those words as they appear in the Bible and I have thought about them a time or two during my 50 years. Never have I thought enough of man to give up my freedom for what he has to offer in exchange for what he would be able to take.

    So my advise would be to a man who has  loins  that long for orgasmic flame, offer much and much you will receive.  Never think to rule by rule itself but to bind by love for love itself.  

    God wants us to be his because of love that is the strongest bond of all. So our mate we should want bound to us by love and all we'd give and all the more because of love.

    If at first you succeed...try something harder.

    Failing isn't falling down. Failing is not getting back up again.
  • Re: Is science a religion?
     Reply #80 - October 14, 2010, 11:36 PM

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  • Re: Is science a religion?
     Reply #81 - October 17, 2010, 08:29 AM

    What say you Mount A Bison?!? What indeed...

    A country boy are you? Intellectually barefoot say you?  Your martrimonial prerogative unknown to you?

    I wonder... Oh yes. I do wonder at these things so stated.  A man of many fine lusterous words... and yet... such a whimpering claim is here laid out like a sun baked skeleton on a wind swept and heat scorched desert.

    Perhaps only in that desert will you find fire and brimestone. You do know... Yes I would think so... even the most barefoot of intellectuals must knows that fire and brimestone are of the most obnoxious lies ever told against the God I worship. Nowhere in the Bible is it told that fire and brimestone are a punishment for the children of Adam and Eve.

    As regards this problem you profess to have.  Of this you've spoken, the oppressive woman you married without knowing what matrimonial prerogative to you belonged.  So bold, I'll be to ask in what house did you state your vows? In a Court of Law? In a Church of Christendom? An Islamic contract did you make? Before stating your promise to her what did you ponder? Growing old together? The Biblical instruction for those entering the marriage arrangement? Perhaps not that, think I... Yes, the case is often so... many do not think beyond the flame within the flesh, the beauty and strength of youth.

    Your case perhaps is not as bad as you claim. A thousand times you've poured out your heart to Christian followers? I wonder, if not quite that many times would be more true. Be that as it may, advise you want,  far be it from me  to with hold from you what I can give free.

    As the hour is late or perhaps early, either way sleep is what I'm lacking, I'll give one thought that comes to mind.

    Ephesians 5:25  25 Husbands, continue loving YOUR wives, just as the Christ also loved the congregation and delivered up himself for it,

    Yes... A good thought... it should console your heart that the Son of God would never fling any short coming of your's in your face just like you should never fling any short coming of your dear wife in her face.










    If at first you succeed...try something harder.

    Failing isn't falling down. Failing is not getting back up again.
  • Re: Is science a religion?
     Reply #82 - October 17, 2010, 04:54 PM

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  • Re: Is science a religion?
     Reply #83 - October 18, 2010, 10:49 PM

    Cann't believe it just deleted my post. oh well next time. AAAAAUUUUUGGGGGHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!

    If at first you succeed...try something harder.

    Failing isn't falling down. Failing is not getting back up again.
  • Re: Is science a religion?
     Reply #84 - October 18, 2010, 10:58 PM

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  • Re: Is science a religion?
     Reply #85 - October 18, 2010, 11:49 PM

    Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
    ~ Leviticus 18:22

    If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
    ~ Leviticus 20:13


    Jeebus. :( Eh, I am better off as a spiritual.

    Is your grammar defective? Just askin'.


    "The wound is the place where the Light enters you." - Rumi

  • Re: Is science a religion?
     Reply #86 - October 21, 2010, 01:17 AM

    What say you? A kiss? On what day should you like to receive such as that? Not this or the next to be sure is what I shall say.

    Are you a spiky-haired feminista as well?

    Never has my hair consented to a single spike. The waist length unruly mess by scant measure consents to stay restrained for a day at work. Nor would any who know me well confuse me with a feminist.

    Fascinating. I'm fond of the gospel as much as the next guy. The Authorised King James Version is a stately monument of English prose. Could I only meet the ink-stained scribbler who authored it I would tumble him on the bed .... The man who can read the Book of Job without shedding bucketfuls of tears to wash his sin is a heartless fellow, but let's not pretend that it doesn't also contain some thumpingly daft things that would make a one eyed cat laugh. Hell included. Consult Revelation 14:10 - 11 for just one such instance. A cursory Google search will throw up a dozen more.

    ... But absurd is the notion that he didn't traffic in silly fables in his time about dispatching the merchants of Irreligion to break-dance in the lowest rung of the inferno which never endeth. So why the shameless lies my sweet? It is sinful. I like Christ enough to accept the bold theory that in mouthing such imbecility as "gnashing of teeth" he was only relaying the views of the other two unsavoury boys in the trinity.


    I believe it was a king by the name of James who authorized that version of the Bible. Death has long ago taken him to it's sleep so saving him from your awful tumble.  It would however do us good to wonder why he authorized a translation of the Bible for I dare say it was not for the enlightment of mankind. But, yes perhaps it was for his own great glory. 

    You mention the Book of Job, so to it I'll go to cite a verse I find rather interesting regards the Hebrew word she'ohl'. Might you want to investigate how the Authorized King James Version sometimes translates she'ohl' to the word grave and sometimes to the word hell.

    Take a look if you will please.

    Job14:13 O that in She´ol you would conceal me,
    That you would keep me secret until your anger turns back,
    That you would set a time limit for me and remember me!

    The translation I perfer to use transliterates she'ohl' (Hebrew alphbet) to sheol to stay more true the meaning of the original word i.e. mankinds common grave or gravedom. 

    Now take a moment to think things over. Perhaps talk it over with your one eyed cat.  Why would translators of the Bible sometimes see fit to translate a word the ancient Hebrews know to mean grave as just that. But at other times choose to use another word that has come to mean a place of fire and torment? I do not ues the words come to mean lightly, yes you are good at words much better then I, look at the ancient meaning of the word that became hell, does it not mean conceal or hide?

    Now you and that one eyed cat, that have already had a laugh or two while reading the Book of Job, think about a man who is suffering asking to be concealed in a place of fire and torment to get away form his stuffing on earth. That makes less sense then most things I've heard. So the word grave is used by most translators of the Bible at Job 14:13 but that does not change the fact that it is the very same Hebrew word that is else where translated hell. So, this is one of the many odd discrepances that caused me to take a closer look at the original language. Even a one eyed cat could see how it would change the story to have the very coomon request of the suffering to have the peace of death changed to a request to go to a burning place of fire.

    So, you say that The Messiah is dispatching the merchants of Irreligion to break-dance in the lowest rung of the inferno which never endeth. If you will please give me chapter and verse where I can read this for myself. As for my many years of reading the Bible I've yet to read this account.

    This I have read that is opposed to what you say:

    Matthew 25:46 44 Then they also will answer with the words, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison and did not minister to you?’ 45 Then he will answer them with the words, ‘Truly I say to YOU, To the extent that YOU did not do it to one of these least ones, YOU did not do it to me.’ 46 And these will depart into everlasting cutting-off, but the righteous ones into everlasting life.”

    It would have been so easy here to discribe that place of fire and torment but The Messiah says only everlasting cutting-off. Cut off from life. Think about the account of Adam from dust he was made to dust he was to return. That dust has not a single feeling or thought it can not be tormented. (Ecc 9:5)

    Of the Book of Revelation speak you? First please speak about Revelation 1:1b. Yes, in signs that Book was presented. It is a conversation long and torturous. A journey I may not at this point be willing to undertake with you as my companion.


    Let me cite the opinion of a Great Thinker elsewhere on this forum when some of the godless tried to pin the moral quandary on JC:


    I found this a thing to rather odd. Not quiet a wonder among wonders. But, yes perhaps something to ponder. I know you not so well as to doubt that you are a Great Thinker.  Am I mistaken are you quoting yourself?


    I wanted a civil ceremony, but she whispered soft words in my ear about a traditional church wedding by a spikey-haired lesbian pastor who preached to a congregation of cross-dreseers that Jesus was cool with homosexuality. How could I refuse?
    I sought a shapely young beauty who might bake, shake and quake before her master for as Jesus is the spiritual head of the congregation so is a man the head of the home. But guess who wears the pants in this amorous entanglement.


    I read a few of your professed marital woes. It seems so far that they suit well. You yourself admit that you gave in from the start to a soft whisper in your ear.  What you had must have seemed worth giving up in exchange for what that dear sweet whispering lady had to offer. Why now do you seek a change? Do you really have a change of heart? I think not, a man of lusterous words such as you could win the heart for a change if that was truly what you want.

    What an epic let down.


    Oh yes the epic let down for that I am oh so sorry. The truth I said when I spoke of the lack of sleep. Sleep had over come me and I had awoke with the imprint of the key board in my face and nothing in my head. But some truth there was in that epic let down God and his Son, as told in the Bible, don't fling our short comings in our face. So best we can never should we fling the short coming of the ones we love in thier face. As easy as the fling may seem at times, it's best if we obstain.

    If at first you succeed...try something harder.

    Failing isn't falling down. Failing is not getting back up again.
  • Re: Is science a religion?
     Reply #87 - January 02, 2011, 07:52 PM

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  • Re: Is science a religion?
     Reply #88 - January 03, 2011, 09:46 AM

    @ Mount A Bison

    Such along time not a word from you, dear Mount A Bison. What advantures and wonderings kept you from this place? There was such talk...Oh, such aweful talk...that you perhaps would not return. However, here you are as if awaken from the dust.

    What said I was that the Hebrew word she'ohl' (Hebrew letters) had the meaning of "gravedom" or "common grave of mankind' as in not a specific gave. Furthermore the ancient words from which the English word hell comes has the meaning of "conceal". And asked the question, Why did the righteous man Job request of God to be concealed in the Sheol if in fact sheol is a hell of fire as sometimes translated by the KJV? Do these simple statements doom any to be blockheads,  quacks,  half-, quarter-, or semi-wits? I think not!!! Why be so in fear of a thought? 

    http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Hell   The origin of the English word "hell" comes from the Germanic language. Originally, "hel" meant "to cover."

    http://www.watchtower.org/e/bh/appendix_08.htm   What Are Sheol and Hades?

    Also I requested of you to correct me in my error as you are much more the master of words then I, if I had misspoken.

    In all of this, however it is not my contention that none of the exalted assembly of Bible scholars come up with this intriguing thought regarding the meaning of the Hebrew word she'ohl' (Hebrew letters). I will offer all assurance that I did not come up with it by own work however by the reading of the work of others.

    The Bible it's self warns believers to not make the word of God invalid by thier holding on to the traditions of men as doctrine.  Perhaps there are some who have looked to much to the so called church fathers enstead to thier Father in Heaven. You have given me cause to look more deeply into this matter. I have of late heard that it may have been Augustine of Hippo that weight gave to the idea of a burning hell, but as I know little of this man perhaps I am speaking out of turn.
     
    Ah.. My imperishable soul!! Now there is a thought. Well, actually the first lie actfully and masterfully told by Satan. "You positively will not die.", said he. Indeed, just the oppisite of God had said.  Dust I shall become if not remembered by God for everlasting life in a paradise home he perpares for those who love him. No worry have that I will be dealt with with unjustly.

    A genuine question or two for you. Have you ever trusted The Good Book? Having ever trusted it or not on what was that trust or lack there of based?

    Think not that this went unnoticed: That’s a grave indictment of the Christian faith to make don’t you think my future wife? Especially the last two words , as said before not likely is it to capture this wild thing and laughablely so it would be by one that make the outlandish claim to have an immortal soul.

    Witless you are not. If consoling you claim to need I can not with hold it, God is just and kind and will not punish finite wrong with infinite torment.

    Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all, neither do they anymore have wages, because the remembrance of them has been forgotten. 6 Also, their love and their hate and their jealousy have already perished, and they have no portion anymore to time indefinite in anything that has to be done under the sun.
     
    Acts 10:34 At this Peter opened his mouth and said: “For a certainty I perceive that God is not partial, 35 but in every nation the man that fears him and works righteousness is acceptable to him.

    until the next time.


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