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  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #150 - March 23, 2012, 02:44 AM

    the day we start understanding each other perfectly is the day we cease being humans.
  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #151 - March 23, 2012, 03:20 AM

    the day we start understanding each other perfectly is the day we cease being humans.

    That's the kind of thing I say.

    This should worry you.
  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #152 - March 23, 2012, 03:27 AM

    One reason we should all speak Esperanto.

    The alcohol-free lager of languages.
  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #153 - March 23, 2012, 06:20 AM

    are you thick or just twisting my words? western racism has caused and continues to cause the death of thousands. for you to twist my words to the claim that western racism is about "a few students who have to spend a few extra hours at the airport"... that's just fucked up. you're like a pro at spin. fox news should hire you.

    what is happening Abood?   i didn't read many of the posts in this thread...    Why is that racism  or  western racism  coming in to this thread?

    I am not sure what subject  you & harakaat  are discussing., but what is that western  racism has to do with this  brainless murderous animal born in France to a Algerian parents and  he killing Jewish children for the sake of Palestine, Chechnya, Afghanistan, Burkha  Islam/Muhammad/Quran..etc..etc..Huh?  

    And what you guys are discussing any way?  Whatever it is, we can not give any support to Islamist  that are drilled  their brains  in mosques with irrational Islamic concept of  "Everything and every one on the planet must conduct their lives according Islam " and hide their brutal actions  against those who don't follow Islam or  their Islam under the umbrella of Racism or western racism.  That is no..no.,  We are in 21st century., Also we must realize one way or other way there is racism/ some sort of racist actions  IN EVERY country and every part of the planet..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #154 - March 23, 2012, 08:02 AM

    there's moderate Islam throughout
    the world, there's also radical Islam,
    what we must see here regarding
    this thread is, the guy is lunatic, yes?
    he could kill any guy/girls,  but he choose children,Jews and soldiers
    do we denied Islamic teaching give those ideas to him even if he is crazy  ?
    do we as an ex-muslim previously not been tought to hate Jews ?

    of course,  western racism is a bad thing, but I believed that is for another thread,

    as for the crazy guy, is he been shoot dead ?,
    I'm sorry really can't watch you tube,
    are there no way to capture him ?
    his death will only cause more suspicion among skeptic who believe this is just "Islamophia" conspiracy against islamic people.

    and Islamic figures really should takes responsibility about this, instead denying it.
  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #155 - March 23, 2012, 08:25 AM

    lol. now the guy is killed by cops during a siege of his apt and the cops are denying he was ever arrested. Cheesy Cheesy

    Quote
    Toulouse killings suspect killed by police sniper in shoot-out

    The young man who singlehandedly reawakened France to the threat of radical Islam-inspired violence died fighting to the end, continuing to shoot at police as he jumped out his apartment window.

    Toronto Star

    Quote
    Officials deny Toulouse siege arrest of French shooting suspect Mohamed Merah

    Local media had earlier reported the hours long siege in southwestern France had ended in the arrest of the suspect, identified as Mohamed Merah. Those reports have now been denied by French Interior Minister Claude Gueant.

    National Post
  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #156 - March 23, 2012, 08:44 AM

    thanks for the link, abood
    your thought on this  ...
  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #157 - March 23, 2012, 10:21 AM

    He should be prosecuted  for clamping such stupid rules on Freedom of expression that french used to preach... 

    I don't agree. I think he should just not be voted for, for all the stupid bullshit he promise to do and do not do in the end (and for so many other reasons…).
  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #158 - March 23, 2012, 11:14 AM

    and Islamic figures really should takes responsibility about this, instead denying it.


    I agree that 'Islamic figures' shouldn't deny the problem, but unless someone is directly implicated logistically or ideologically, asking people to take responsibility who are not involved in any way or shape with the actions of Mohammad Merah is a dangerous road to go down, because it implies a sense of collective responsibility and guilt.

    What I hope happens in a wider sense is that people understand how the 'Ummah Collective' idea is dangerous in its own right, because it rebounds collective responsibility back onto Muslims when it projects collective responsibility onto 'the other' (non Muslims), one of the reasons for the corrosiveness of  Islamic (and religious in general) identity politics.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #159 - March 23, 2012, 11:52 AM

    I don't agree. I think he should just not be voted for, for all the stupid bullshit he promise to do and do not do in the end (and for so many other reasons…).

    You have the right to disagree Yi Sun-Sin., but you must realize Prosecuting some one doesn't mean putting him in jail..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #160 - March 23, 2012, 11:56 AM

    lol. now the guy is killed by cops during a siege of his apt and the cops are denying he was ever arrested. Cheesy Cheesy
    Toronto Star
    National Post


    Hmm.. Ok., does that mean that this 23 year old did not commit the crimes and  did not do those shootings killing Abood??  Do you think that 23 year old was innocent and that fellow was killed just to satisfy the French public ??   And ..and... it is a conspiracy by the French  Govt to confuse the public and get re-elected  by enraging the public with hatred towards Muslims??    Your way of arguing is important but those laughs are NOT needed...

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #161 - March 23, 2012, 12:39 PM

    Thanks for the insight billy, I guess
    Islamic thinking are not totally flush
    out from my system after all,
    I really need that.

    what do you think should be done to
    prevent this from happening again,
    and what a muslim should do to free
    themselves from this stigma? (jihadi's)
  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #162 - March 23, 2012, 12:55 PM

    Daily Mail says Al Qaeda fanatic is DEAD: French serial killer jumps out his flat window with all guns blazing in dramatic end to 32-hour siege

     And says



    Abdelkader Merah, the older brother of suspected gunman Mohammad, was detained yesterday

    The news link also says
    Quote
    SUSPECT 'KIDNAPPED MAN' AND THEN 'WALKED AROUND CITY WITH SWORD IN HIS HAND' Suspected serial killer Mohammad Mera, who broke out of an Afghanistan jail in 2008 as part of a mass Taliban escape, once kidnapped another man, it has been reported.

    A close family friend of the 24-year-old suspect told Le Parisien she knew him well while in the city's Izards housing estate. The woman, Laela, said: 'He was well known to the police. Around two years ago he kidnapped a young person on the estate.

    'I remember that the mother of the boy in question was wandering around the estate trying to find him. 'Finally, her son was freed. And I’m convinced  then a complaint was lodged, and Mohammad was heard by investigating officers.' Following the kidnapping, for which he was never charged, he is said to have 'crossed the estate in combat gear, with a sword in his hand shouting 'Al Qaeda, Al Qaeda!'.
    Quote
    Describing his family as 'charming people', Laela said: 'His mother finally left after divorcing her husband.' This family split, she said, may have contributed to his slip into anti-social behaviour. But the main reason was Islamic fundamentalism.  She said: 'He was a normal kid who was radicalised. He had exchanges with people on the internet, but also frequently met other Islamists in the region.


    'On the estate, he wanted to indoctrinate younger children. One day, for example, he grabbed my little nephew, and took him to a car where he showed him some horrible videos. 'There were scenes of decapitation, things going on in Afghanistan, or images showing the horror of the war.'....


     
    Tragedy: Rabbi Jonathan Sandler, his sons Arieh, 5, and Gabriel, 4, were gunned down on Monday. Miriam Monsonego, daughter of the school's headteacher, was also killed...,  Mother of those two children..






    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #163 - March 23, 2012, 12:56 PM

    Quote
    and what a muslim should do to free themselves from this stigma?


    The only people who should feel stigma would be the ones who explicitly or tacitly support the actions of a violent killer, or the hatreds that motivate them. Nobody else. Anyone who asserts collective ideas of stigmatisation should be refuted. Although if they believe in all that and feel that way, they won't feel any self awareness, by the very nature of their beliefs they won't feel there is anything wrong with them.

    There are differentials and layers here. Refuting ideology and ideas held and believed by some people is not stigmatisation of a collective.

    But collective stigmatisation has to be fought against as a priority.



    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #164 - March 23, 2012, 02:12 PM

    French Muslims fear post-Toulouse repercussions

    Quote
    France’s five-million strong Islamic community fears it may be subject to repercussions after it emerged the main suspect in the killing of seven people – including three young children – was Muslim.

    In Toulouse itself, the message was one of tolerance.

    “There are issues between Arabs and Jews,” said one man. “That’s not good. On earth we’re the same race.”

    “Whatever you are, Jewish, Muslim, Arab or anything else, we are all the same blood,” added another.

    Many Muslims already feel they are all viewed as potential extremists. In Paris one felt the media had focused on the wrong aspect of the killings.

    “What shocked me most was that the victims were children,” he said. “But the media is putting the spotlight more on the fact it concerns Jews and Muslims or for example that a Muslim killed an Arab.”

    Another added: “It’s true that tolerance regarding Islam is already greatly reduced. And what’s happening in Toulouse is inevitably going to raise fears.”

    A joint appeal by the Jewish and Islamic communities for tolerance has been issued but plans for a joint rally on Sunday have been cancelled.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V22xQOwpNuA

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YsTl6zaywY

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #165 - March 23, 2012, 03:57 PM

    do shed some light on this billy

    Quote
    There are differentials and layers here. Refuting ideology and ideas held and believed by some people is not stigmatisation of a collective.


    I'm not in the bright side of grass here, don't lose hope on me.
    and peeps,do ignore me if you feel I'm off topic here.
  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #166 - March 23, 2012, 04:13 PM

    do shed some light on this billy

    I'm not in the bright side of grass here, don't lose hope on me.
    and peeps,do ignore me if you feel I'm off topic here.

    what happened paranoid ?  who says that you are  not in the bright side of grass?  what do you mean "don't loose hope on me"

    rubbish.,  Every Muslim guy and girl is like you or my Shia grand mother... no one cares about Islam and how people pray.. what they eat or what dress they wear..

    What is wrong with you?? be what you are.,  that is more than enough....

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #167 - March 23, 2012, 05:20 PM

    do shed some light on this billy

    I'm not in the bright side of grass here, don't lose hope on me.
    and peeps,do ignore me if you feel I'm off topic here.


    Some people feel, or are frightened to do the nessecary work confronting the Islamist ideology that leads to problems, because they feel that in itself is stigmatisation. It isn't.




    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #168 - March 23, 2012, 05:53 PM

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/mark-juergensmeyer/cosmic-war-comes-to-toulouse_b_1372839.html

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #169 - March 24, 2012, 02:38 AM

    Quote
    what happened paranoid ?  who says that you are  not in the bright side of grass?  what do you mean "don't loose hope on me"


    I'm. being myself here, I try not to make myself an idiot, sometimes I need to wiki-ed my own words that I post, I'm lack in language, I feel I need to learn to change my ways of thinking, billy do that, and thanks for the explaining billy.


    deusvult

    Quote
    Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, the underwear bomber

    -___-
    what the hell is underwear bomber?
    these people are too creative for their own good, there should be a space program titled "the final frontier " for these kind of people ......





    but then, they will crash landing the rocket ........
  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #170 - March 24, 2012, 04:43 AM

    what the hell is underwear bomber?
    these people are too creative for their own good, there should be a space program titled "the final frontier " for these kind of people ......

    but then, they will crash landing the rocket ........

    Fantastic.
  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #171 - March 24, 2012, 11:55 AM

    Brutal Animal in human form  who killed that girl yanking her hair apparently posted his video on internet

    Quote
    The Muslim fanatic who killed seven people in France was so proud of his unspeakably evil work that he uploaded sickening video to the Internet showing him executing a helpless, terrified 8-year-old girl, officials said.

    Mohammed Merah is seen yanking Myriam Monsenego by her hair — then firing a bullet into her head while he holds her. Officials believe Merah strapped on a camera before each murder and posted the videos on jihadi Web sites, where he believed they would inspire other al Qaeda wannabes.

    Myriam was slain outside a Jewish school in Toulouse, where Merah also killed a rabbi and the rabbi’s two young sons.

    Before shooting one soldier, Merah proclaimed, “You kill my brothers; I kill you!” — a reference to France’s military presence in Afghanistan..............


    that news is from here

    Quote
    Mohammed Merah's close family are in police custody today as the investigation into his links to a radical Islamic network continues.

    Detectives say his brother, Abdelkader Merah, 29, may have known about his activities.

    Abdelkader was arrested last Wednesday, together with the brothers' mother, Azeri Merah, and Abdelkader’s girlfriend, who has not been named.

    They can remain in custody for 96 hours.

    Police believe both brothers were involved in two local Islamist organisations, Forsane Alizza (The Knights of Pride) and a more militant, jihadist network known as the Toulouse group.

    The Toulouse group brought together young fundamentalists of North African descent. It was formed in 2006, with the stated aim of targeting American interests in France and sending recruits to fight in Iraq. Led by an imam originally from Syria, the group allegedly met in an isolated house in the countryside in south west France.

    The source said it was a ‘structured organisation’ that maintained links with other networks in Paris and Belgium. Members worshipped at a mosque in the Toulouse suburb of Bellefontaine and allegedly hatched a plot to attack a shopping centre in the city. ‘Some of them trained for combat and documents were found which led us to believe that they were preparing themselves for kamikaze actions,’ a judicial source said.

    In 2009 several members of the group were found guilty of various terrorist-related offences and given prison sentences of between six months and six years.........

     

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #172 - March 24, 2012, 07:10 PM

    I've read a comment on Facebook written by Armenian guy; Dear Jews, why are you crying and moaning again?

    I bet, if Turkish guy killed Armenian kids in school, Armenian crying would be perfectly justified. whistling2

    Isn't it funny how cats can understand people without ever reading a single psychology book?
  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #173 - March 24, 2012, 07:15 PM

    What does that have to do with this?

    "Nobody who lived through the '50s thought the '60s could've existed. So there's always hope."-Tuli Kupferberg

    What apple stores are like.....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8QmZWv-eBI
  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #174 - March 27, 2012, 08:05 PM

    Quote
    Gunman Mohammed Merah's father: I'm suing police for murdering my son

    Gunman Mohammed Merah’s estranged father said he plans to sue the French government for ‘murdering’ his son.

    Mohammed Benalel Merah claims police could have captured the 23-year-old, who shot seven people, ‘but they preferred to kill him’ after a siege in Toulouse on Thursday.


    Merah snr, a convicted drug dealer who lives in Algeria, added: ‘I’m going to hire the biggest named lawyers and work for the rest of my life to pay their costs. I will sue France for having killed my son.’


    French president Nicolas Sarkozy called the threat abhorrent, while foreign affairs minister Alain Juppe added: ‘If I was the father of a monster like that, I’d shut up out of shame.’


    Merah’s brother Abdelkader Merah, 29, has been charged with aiding and abetting.

    Meanwhile, al-Jazeera has said it will not air footage of Merah’s rampage, which appeared to have been shot by the gunman himself.

    The broadcaster’s Paris bureau was sent the images with a letter that claimed the killings were in the name of al-Qaeda.

    Al-Jazeera’s Paris boss Zied Tarrouche said: ‘You can hear gunshots at the moment of the killings.

    ‘You can hear the voice of this person who has committed these assassinations. You can hear also the cries of the victims.’

    Relatives of Merah’s victims – three Jewish children, a rabbi and three soldiers – had threatened legal action if it was aired.



    Quote
    Alain Juppe added: ‘If I was the father of a monster like that, I’d shut up out of shame.’

     Couldn´t agree more.

    Read more: http://www.metro.co.uk/news/world/894414-gunman-mohammed-merahs-father-im-suing-police-for-murdering-my-son#ixzz1qLiHLISX

    Like a compass needle that points north, a man?s accusing finger always finds a woman. Always.

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  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #175 - March 27, 2012, 10:02 PM

    People are so complicated, not saying I like his actions or agree with him but families (Muslim or not) often act in disbelief/denial/anger rather than shame and embarrassment when a family member does something so horrific, it's sad and not an excuse, but a fact of the human condition.

    "Nobody who lived through the '50s thought the '60s could've existed. So there's always hope."-Tuli Kupferberg

    What apple stores are like.....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8QmZWv-eBI
  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #176 - March 28, 2012, 12:30 AM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OU9CmTnF71A

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #177 - March 28, 2012, 12:39 AM


     on that    Sarkozy criticizes that Toulouse brute's  father

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Four killed after shooting at Jewish school in France
     Reply #178 - November 12, 2012, 05:23 PM

    well  that brain washed criminal brute who killed those Jewish folks and the story on his brutal actions is back in the news.. Now in a book form and from his elder  brother  Abdelghani Merah,




    Abdelghani Merah Brother of  that brutal brain washed fool  blames his parents for his younger brother actions..

    Quote
         French gunman's brother blames parents

    THE radicalisation of the French gunman who killed seven people on an eight-day shooting spree this year began at home, his brother recounts in a new book and documentary, according to media reports. Mohamed Merah killed three Jewish children, a rabbi and three paratroopers in and around the southern city of Toulouse in March before dying in a standoff with police.

    Merah claimed links to al-Qaeda and said he had received training at an Islamist paramilitary camp in Pakistan.  One of his brothers, Abdelkader, also faces preliminary charges in the case and is in police custody. The attacks raised painful questions about whether France was failing to integrate the children of Muslim immigrants, like the Merahs, who are of Algerian origin. Many blamed the poverty of the neighbourhoods many immigrants and their children live in for driving them to radical Islam.

    But a new book by another of Merah brother, Abdelghani, says his parents, particularly his mother, are responsible for Mohamed's radicalisation. According to excerpts published in Le Figaro and other newspapers, Abdelghani made a silent vow on the day of Mohamed's funeral to tell the world how they were raised on anti-Semitism.  "I will explain how my parents raised you in an atmosphere of racism and hate before the Salafis could douse you in religious extremism," he writes in My brother, that terrorist, due out this week. Salafis are ultraconservative Muslims.

    The Merahs' mother was at one point held for questioning but has since been released. Their father left the family for Algeria when the children were young but has since sued the French state for Mohamed's death. A documentary featuring interviews with Abdelghani and his sister, Souad, treads similar ground. In an excerpt, Abdelghani remembers how his mother drove home a message of anti-Semitism. "My mother always said, 'We, the Arabs, we were born to hate Jews.' This speech, I heard it all throughout my childhood," Abdelghani says in the documentary.

    Souad, on the other hand, declares how proud she is of her brother, Mohamed. ..

    Damn.. Where ever there is Islamic Brute there you see "Pakistan".....  His father, another fool  instead of suing France, He should sue Islam , Quran, Hadith preachers and Islamic freaks in Mosques  all over the world with a class action suit
     
    I wish his elder brother would have done that book/documentary  a year back.. he could have saved his brain washed  brother and the Jewish folks who were murdered by his brother just because they are Jewish..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
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