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OP - August 28, 2009, 06:23 PM

So my mom went on about how disappointed she is for me abandoning religion, and I told her about the woman verses and she says the most TYPICAL thing!! "It's just mis-translated" "it's one verse, doesn't mean you should ignore the gist of it you're missing the point" "It doeesn't SAY THAT"

after that I just gave up. UGH so much for thinking she had any sense!

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Reply #1 - August 28, 2009, 07:10 PM

Tough. Another valid way, is to get her to show you the good verses. If we are to ignore this bad verse, then where are the good verses. What is good for women in that koran here on Earth? the right not to get buried at birth? the right to get the dowry? the right to have alimony for 1 year? And then what?

The issue with going with this approach, is that you open yourself up for her to bring all those other actually mistranslated verses that you will have to know before-hand so you can deflect them as she recites them.

"Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
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Reply #2 - August 28, 2009, 07:19 PM

Actually here is a good compromise. Locate all the verses about woman. the good and the bad. Focus on the good ones. Make a list of good. then let her know that this list is not enough.

"Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
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Reply #3 - August 28, 2009, 08:01 PM

If your mom was my mom she wouldnt ever speak to me about religion ever again =D.

I would have gone into sharia law, and that if it is just mistranslated then why do women in Iran / Saudi Arabia get mistreated under law the way that they do? What exactly is wrong if people want to drink beer, eat pork, have sex before marriage, eat on ramadan and never fast, and what is wrong with not wanting to believe in the imaginary circus clown living in the sky that they call Allah?

Oh, I would offend, though not by being directly offensive to the person, but bringing up everything that offends them to discuss.

It was funny when my dad was literally mortified and beyond disgusted when discussing 'disgusting condoms' during me saying that they are used to avoid unwanted pregnancy during sex and to protect against STDs to make having sex safer and more enjoyable. The absolutely disgusted look on his face was beyond unforgettable and priceless. That happened when he started talking about having kids.

Then they never make a single peep about it ever again .

They are hindus though, I would seriously love to have such a chat with a devout muslim though.

We keep hearing about how Jack Straw or the French government have mentioned the veil and our doing so puts us in the same boat as them. How so? I want a ban on the burka, neqab and child veiling.

you can either defend women or you must defend Islam. You can’t defend both

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Reply #4 - August 28, 2009, 08:55 PM

ugh , well i basically told her never to bring up religioin around me because you WILL lose any ounce of faith. So hopefully this agreement of not bringing up religion will stay intact but it still pisses me off....

and she tries to be like "my faith is the only thing waking me up in the morning" and i'm just like..... how do i respond to that.

It's said how people need to base their hopes and dreams based on heaven/hell and without the perception of some weird reward system, their lives would render useless. It makes me so mad.

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Reply #5 - August 29, 2009, 04:22 AM

Thats nothing.

My mother believes that she sees and hears god in her sleep, and that Hindu priests (some random Swami Baba Bunti guy in India) can heal blind people.

She sits for hours on end chanting with a stone chain that she passes through her fingers, and filling book after book after book with written prayer lines from Hindu mantras, as well as reciting and singing them as well when she wants.

She has also modernised with the joy of a CD player and Hindu mantras and holy songs recorded to CD. But she still needs to ask me to change the CD for her, as well as needing to ask me to change the TV channel. Remotes are complicated.

She sings a lot less nowadays and just sits next to the CD playing with her eyes closed and hands in prayer mode, so she seems to be a little less crazy now.

Is it hard to believe that some people may be obsessive compulsive over religion? A very strong reason for why I call it a mental poisoning.

It used to be downright insultive to my mother when I refused to light the divas (candles in front of her god shrine and statues), and when I wouldnt eat prashad everyday (holy food blessed by god by offering it at the shrine everyday).

There is even one day of the year where she is not allowed to cook or eat using fire or tools, and she draws holy symbols and decorations around the gas hobs in red kunku stuff. From my limited understanding of Dungeons and Dragons, she seems to either be summoning a Lich, or inscribing a Symbol of Death. And uncooked food for all of the next day lowers our fortitude saving throws against death magic.

One year when I were younger, our family were visiting on that day and I were hungry, and my mum accidentally used a knife to cut something for me.

I got in bad trouble for making her commit sin by using the knife :(.

I later grew up calling her a 'gamadi' (farmer), and a 'dubri' (villager or commoner I think) almost everyday, words which I picked up from her.

She is very very dopey, and her brain didnt seem to have any more sense then a cavewoman going 'oogha, oogha' to me. But she can cook food and clean the windows at least :p.

Oh yea, I used to call her a witch sometimes as well (dakni). I were young then, we leave each other alone now. But the wrath of her Rolling Pin of Rapid Spanking +5 never scared me because I managed to succeed on my dodge, evasion, and tumble checks very easilly due to her very weak and sloppy base attack bonus.

We keep hearing about how Jack Straw or the French government have mentioned the veil and our doing so puts us in the same boat as them. How so? I want a ban on the burka, neqab and child veiling.

you can either defend women or you must defend Islam. You can’t defend both

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Reply #6 - September 01, 2009, 06:39 AM

...and your clearly high dex-based AC.

"Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
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