Actually I'm not sure such a father would think as far as "baby out of wedlock". In such environments, the very fact that the girl might lose her virginity before marriage is the ultimate dishonour.
Actually, it's a family's reputation within the community and what the community thinks of them. At least in this situation that's what 'honor' means, no matter how you bloody well spell it.
That's more like it.
And it is not unprecedented murder, it's actually somewhat understandable by the rest of the community, right?
Oh yeah. Even those who find it abhorrent will "understand" where he is coming from. Most of the community would find it "too much" but most will agree that something had to be done.
I vote for number one. I can't imagine that burying alive is a standard method of execution for honor killings in Kurdish Turkey.
Not really Q. How then can you explain why "honor" killings are rarely prosecuted in Iraq? why are law enforcement afraid of standing up to the killers? don't you think it might be because they "understand" the father's feelings? or maybe because it's a widely-held view that females who have sex before marriage are immoral, unIslamic, and bring lasting dishonor to their families?
Here is how I think the social attitudes toward this issue has developed. It started with Islam, fucking before marriage is haram and punishable by 80 lashes. Fornication in general is heinous and dishonorable.
Then there was the hymen, as simple as that. People thought boys can get away with but girls can't. Consequently, girls can't behave the same as boys, it's just not the same thing. It's natural to grant boys more freedoms. Girls can't go out freely or stay out late but boys can. My son can have a girlfriend but my daughter can't, cuz even if he had sex nobody would be able to prove it against him but with my daughter it's different because you know she has a hymen that bleeds only once!
Now over time, it became ingrained in social mores that these activities (going out alone, staying out late, having a boyfriend or even having a close male friend) are depraved and unethical
by themselves and not only because of their association with pre-marital sex. It also becomes ingrained that males are different and should not be treated the same. It's kind of a vicious cycle if you will. It reached the point where most dads in Iraq wouldn't mind their son fucking around, in fact many root for their sona to get laid while still not allowing their daughter to go out with her girlfriends after 8 pm.
Believe it or not, for many, social mores trump religion, that's why they almost always spare the guy's life and only kill the girl. It's also why they kill her instead of lashing her 80 times which is explicitly stated in the Quran as punishment for unmarried fornicators.
Many people care about their reputation and community status more than their status in Allah's book, and even if they value the latter higher, they think you will always be able to ask forgiveness from Allah and mend things with him but if your community believed you can't raise good Muslim kids and that your household is corrupt and morally bankrupt, they will always think so no matter what.
Actually, practically all the honor killings & honor suicides amongst the Turkish diaspora & in Turkey happen amongst a particular group-the Kurds. Please correct me if I'm wrong about this.
I feel sorry for the rest of the Turks, they get a bad rep for something practically no non Kurdish Turk does.
Politically incorrect but I have to say largely true.
The purpose of punishment is to reform, and if reformation does not occur, then punishment continues. The purpose of punishment being revenge is indicative only of a mind stuck in the stone age.
When I first read this I was gonna write A LOT of things but now that Q-Man has answered amply I don't think I need to.
Topic: Turkish teenager buried alive because friendship with boys shamed family