right, wrong

Previous page 1 2 3 4« Previous thread | Next thread »
- osmanthus
- Cave dwelling
- Pub Regular
- Fingerer of piglets
- offline
Re: right, wrong
Reply #90 - June 27, 2010, 09:29 AM

What does legal majority have to do with sex?

Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West.
- liberated
- Ex-Muslim
- offline
Re: right, wrong
Reply #91 - June 27, 2010, 09:32 AM

When they're adult, that's when they're grown up enough to make up their own mind, children are easy to influence?
- osmanthus
- Cave dwelling
- Pub Regular
- Fingerer of piglets
- offline
Re: right, wrong
Reply #92 - June 27, 2010, 09:33 AM

Humans are sexually mature before 18.

Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West.
- sparky
- Pub Regular
- offline
Re: right, wrong
Reply #93 - June 27, 2010, 01:26 PM

Quote from: Homer
as are all. The trick is to move the consensus to yours.

And it would have to be a trick for there is no rational reason that could change a person's preferences.

Quote from: Homer
No, not anymore than arguing which system of government is better, or which tax code would be better. It is important to building a society that I think is better.

Which works if there your preferences regarding what is 'better' are already aligned. If there is no such agreement, the argument is pointless. No more meaningful than arguing that chocolate ice cream is 'better' than vanilla ice cream.

And that's pretty much it. I live now in a society where many people assume a vastly different goal to their lives than those in my home country. In the absence of any true 'best' that applies to both groups, it is simply impossible to argue that one or other of the resulting moralities is 'better'.

There is no 'case' to 'convince' people to change their preferences. There is only force or trickery - whether that involves deities or not.

Quote from: Homer
Because that shows that it is completely possible for a society to develop morals without a god dictating them, which you claimed it wasnt.

All you have shown is the people can make stuff up, which is hardly surprising. Needless to say, that isn't what I was claiming for a morality from God.

Cheers,
sparky
- King Koopa
- Ex-Muslim
- Your Mom's Favorite Lover
- offline
Re: right, wrong
Reply #94 - June 27, 2010, 02:16 PM

Quote from: osmanthus on June 27, 2010, 09:33 AM
Humans are sexually mature before 18.

Ah so this is what sparked the "Question" thread.

Thanks Osman, thanks.
- Homer
- Pub Regular
- offline
Re: right, wrong
Reply #95 - July 01, 2010, 08:07 AM

Sparky, I agree with you actually...In fact, that is why we have wars....people disagreeing on what is 'right'.

Unfortunetly, there is no solution, short of god showing up and actually announcing himself clearly to everyone....maybe when Jesus and the Mahdi rule the world......Hell, even then people will disagree on what is 'good', as that good is just god's subjective opinion.

As the song goes,
Won't somebody please come up with something,
cause Jesus just don't seem to be impartially working

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvhFQg_w950&feature=related

The foundation of superstition is ignorance, the
superstructure is faith and the dome is a vain hope. Superstition
is the child of ignorance and the mother of misery.
-Robert G. Ingersoll (1898)

"Do time ninjas have this ability?" "Yeah. Only they stay silent and aren't douchebags." -Ibl
Previous page 1 2 3 4« Previous thread | Next thread »